Darkseid VS Thor & Silver Surfer

Pre 52

in character

No prep

Random encounter

Fight on Apokalips

No outside help

Team, Surfer can solo with no morals.

Oh, come on, thanos has beaten the crap out of surfer more than once, and i don't see morals off stated.

@ghostrider2: in character

@inconvenient_truth: team still wins but it would be harder.

@pierpat: Darkseid is not Thanos.

how do you see it going

@inconvenient_truth: Depends on the specific version of Darkseid

GDS, Final Crisis and Seven Soilders stomp

Other versions are up in the air.

@inconvenient_truth: Thor atacking him, Surfer atacks too but i doubt he would go for the kill.Now the omega beams, SS can take them but Thor, i doubt he can.If Thor dies, SS won't be in character anymore and he kills Darkseid ,either way the team won't lose.

Oh, come on, darkseid is physically superior to thanos.And has omega beams.

SS can be one-shotted with omega effect, then it's thor vs a being resistent to magic and physically superior to superman.....

How will this end.......

Morals on only help Darkseid, he has none.And with morals on SS won't simply open a Singularity between darkseid's eyes.And it'll be a big mistake.

@pierpat: i know but if Thor dies he won't be in character.

How can you assume thor will die first?I think that he'll try to omega effect them, thor will block, SS won't.End of SS.

@pierpat: He won't even see him, also SS doesn't fist fight and even if Darkseid use omega on him SS would just dodge.Why are you so sure SS won't?

Why would he not see him?!

Noone simply dodges omega effect, they follow the enemy.

Or, if he does not fist fight, what will he do?

@pierpat: he would blast him from distance, he is no superman....read

thor is probably the slowest character here (big surprise i know) but if he DID die first, why would SS not be in character after that??????

@inconvenient_truth: is it normal to be in character if Thor dies?I think he would be bloodlusted.

why wouldnt it be normal???

@inconvenient_truth: because Thor died?

@ghostrider2 said:

@inconvenient_truth: because Thor died?

um OK, but why would that turn SS bloodlusted?? that picture doesnt answer my question and i dont even know what the scan is supposed to prove or mean

@ghostrider2: Well, darkseid has tanked GL's full blasts.....

@inconvenient_truth: nothing i just posted it.SS also knows Thor it would be normal,if he won't be bloodlusted, he would be willing to kill Darkseid.Why do you keep asking?Why wouldn't SS be bloodlusted?

because ive never heard that before. you made it seem like thor was SS's best friend or like there was something in SS's powerset that made him go blood lusted once a teammate gets killed. So far you have not said anything that has led me to believe that SS WOULD go blood lusted. but regardless of you not proving it, this battle is in character. so all characters stay in character. not that SS would go bloodlusted anyway.

@inconvenient_truth: i can't find the scan but SS killed with no hesitation because someone died.And SS doesn't just kill, in character, however if he is threatened he would ko or kill.

Scan or it didnt happen lol. but thats irrelevant so lets not waste time. they are in character. do you think the team beats darkseid. pre 52 darkseid

@inconvenient_truth: yes the team wins however if you believe me or not it's irrelevant lol, i know what i read.

@ghostrider2: relax i just said its irrelevant cause this is in character. how do you see SS beating darkseid

@inconvenient_truth: in character and alone i don't but with Thor they win.

i know thats what you think, im just asking how do you see it playing out

@inconvenient_truth: Thor will distract him until SS invent something, SS can go astral plane and kill him there(im not sure on this one because Darkseid has telepathy but i don't know what level) or use matter manipulation he has many powers but because he is in character he won't fight at full strength.

@inconvenient_truth:

Thor is not slow.

Examples:

Here, we see Thor flying outside a window and when Jane Foster gets his attention, Thor manages to intercept Cobra's poison dart within a split-second. The dart is fired before he even is inside the room, just to give you the proper frame of reference to understand the speed and reflexes necessary in Journey Into Mystery #98:

Thor digs a trench in a blur of motion that is "almost too fast for the human eye to follow." From Marvel Team-Up #26:

And here, while helping rebuild Asgard, Thor hammers down repeatedly on a pillar and "becomes a blur of motion" in Thor #267:

Here, Thor fights Heimdall and swings his hammer down on him at speeds "moving too swiftly for the eye to follow," even too fast for Heimdall in Journey Into Mystery#125:

Here, Hela only has to touch Thor in order to ensnare his soul in 1v1 combat, but is unable to do so because of his speed, "His speed, his anger, are beyond comprehension!" From Thor #354:

Here, while fending off two Herald-level foes, Adam Warlock likens his ability to catch his staff mid-swing and his combat speed to that of lightning, "He moves like the lightning he commands, much quicker than I remember." From Infinity Watch #23:

Here, in the space of one and one-fifth seconds, Thor dives out of the sky, smashes Mjolnir down and causes a supersonic shockwave to divert a runaway truck from killing a young boy ACROSS the city in Journey Into Mystery #108:

Here, in the space of micro-seconds before a zooming cursed Mjolnir will strike Thor from behind, Thor lays a haymaker onto an Enchanter and spins around in time to snatch Mjolnir in mid-air, from Thor #144:

Here, Thor is about to have his face smashed by a cursed Mjolnir which is zooming back to him, but he moves swiftly enough on reaction to dodge it inThor vol. 2 #27:

With his great speed, without the use of his natural control over the weather, he can create winds of hurricane force or greater- than-hurricane-force air shockwaves in Journey Into Mystery #100 and #84:

Here, he literally snatches a fired tank shell out of mid-air with his bare hand and bats a barrage of them back in Journey Into Mystery #93:

And similarly snatches a fired missile with his bare hand in Marvel Team-Up #148:

Here, with FTB speed, he deflects two bullets with a single swing way back in Journey Into Mystery #100:

Here, he blocks a single bullet with the head of Mjolnir before whirling it to create a field in Thor #246:

And many times again...

Here, Thor flings Mjolnir to the farthest reaches of the galaxy inThor: Whom The Gods Would Destroy:

And he can fling the hammer so fast that it transcends the boundaries of of time and space or go twice the speed of light:

As for FTL reactions that can be measured in nanoseconds (light travels one foot per nanosecond), he's swung and swatted away Blastaar's energy blasts inThor #270:

Far from a one-off FTL feat, he does the same to Mole Man's energy blaster shot in Marvel Two-In-One #96:

Here, Enchantress shoots a blast at Captain America and Thor reacts with FTL speed to cut off the energy blast in mid-flight, from Marvel Comics Presents#44:

Thor can spin Mjolnlr around fast enough to shield himself from lasers, from Thor #218:

Phoenix shoots a telepathic blast at a groggy Thor at the moment Thor's arms are at his side. AFTER the shot is fired and already traveling at him, Thor raises his arms and reflects it back with Mjolnir. Telepathy being instantaneous traditionally (as noted in the narration), we can assume for the sake of argument that it was only traveling at light-speed, making this another FTL feat, from Excalibur#428:

He bats away a possessed Iron Man's repulsor rays in Avengers vol. 3 #3:

And again bats away ray blasts in a training session in Avengers vol. 3 #23:

Darkseid

If superman can solo darkseid then SS could as well.

@ghostrider2: as does Darkseid.

in reply to the "speed feats" scans:

moving at the speed where youre a blur isnt that fast for speedsters.

catching a dart isnt really impressive.

so he's faster than hela, ok but how fast is hela? until we know that, its not impressive

moving a hammer really fast isnt a speed feat.

using storms isnt a speed feat

Team stomps.

Darkseid wins easy...Darkseid avatar gets a smack down...

darkseid mite win if he plays his cards rite i say darkseid wins 6 out of 10

Read comics w/ SS in them and you would know the answer to this ... numerous times crap hit the fan and ppl go down and SS goes ape shiet and ends the fight instantly. That is what would happen here.

@dum529001:

this might be a moot point, @inconvenient_truth is already convinced that Thor is slow, and he doesn't let reason stand in his way

Team, SS as MVP

Dont put words in my mouth. his travel speed due to mjolnir is fast. FTL , fast. his combat speed however is not as fast. by a long shot

@inconvenient_truth: but there's so much evidence of fast combat speed

there are a few yes. and there are a few showing him slow.

@inconvenient_truth: what do you have for Darkseid's speed?

Darkseid is not to be messed with. I see him winning.

Would Thor's God blast be able to kill Darkseid or severally hurt him? i can see this going both ways but 6/10 in favor of the team

Darkseid was able to actually hang with superman for awhile and thanos whooped the shit out of thor and the avengers and silver surfer and thanos doesn't stand a chance against superman. Darkseid wins hands down.

Team

darkseid but it won't be easy.

Fool Thanos would beat Superman