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#1 Edited by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

Pre 52

in character

No prep

Random encounter

Fight on Apokalips

No outside help

#2 Edited by GhostRider2 (3274 posts) - - Show Bio

Team, Surfer can solo with no morals.

#3 Posted by Pierpat (2669 posts) - - Show Bio

Team, Surfer can solo with no morals.

Oh, come on, thanos has beaten the crap out of surfer more than once, and i don't see morals off stated.

#4 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio
#5 Posted by GhostRider2 (3274 posts) - - Show Bio
#6 Edited by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio
#7 Edited by SHARKBEARAGATOR (1667 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth: Depends on the specific version of Darkseid

GDS, Final Crisis and Seven Soilders stomp

Other versions are up in the air.

#8 Posted by GhostRider2 (3274 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth: Thor atacking him, Surfer atacks too but i doubt he would go for the kill.Now the omega beams, SS can take them but Thor, i doubt he can.If Thor dies, SS won't be in character anymore and he kills Darkseid ,either way the team won't lose.

#9 Edited by Pierpat (2669 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostrider2 said:

@inconvenient_truth: team still wins but it would be harder.

@pierpat: Darkseid is not Thanos.

Oh, come on, darkseid is physically superior to thanos.And has omega beams.

SS can be one-shotted with omega effect, then it's thor vs a being resistent to magic and physically superior to superman.....

How will this end.......

Morals on only help Darkseid, he has none.And with morals on SS won't simply open a Singularity between darkseid's eyes.And it'll be a big mistake.

#10 Edited by GhostRider2 (3274 posts) - - Show Bio

@pierpat: i know but if Thor dies he won't be in character.

#11 Posted by Pierpat (2669 posts) - - Show Bio

@pierpat: i know but if Thor dies he won't be in character.

How can you assume thor will die first?I think that he'll try to omega effect them, thor will block, SS won't.End of SS.

#12 Posted by GhostRider2 (3274 posts) - - Show Bio

@pierpat: He won't even see him, also SS doesn't fist fight and even if Darkseid use omega on him SS would just dodge.Why are you so sure SS won't?

#13 Edited by Pierpat (2669 posts) - - Show Bio

@pierpat: He won't even see him, also SS doesn't fist fight and even if Darkseid use omega on him SS would just dodge.Why are you so sure SS won't?

Why would he not see him?!

Noone simply dodges omega effect, they follow the enemy.

Or, if he does not fist fight, what will he do?

#14 Posted by GhostRider2 (3274 posts) - - Show Bio

@pierpat: he would blast him from distance, he is no superman....read

#15 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

thor is probably the slowest character here (big surprise i know) but if he DID die first, why would SS not be in character after that??????

#16 Posted by GhostRider2 (3274 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth: is it normal to be in character if Thor dies?I think he would be bloodlusted.

#17 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio
#18 Edited by GhostRider2 (3274 posts) - - Show Bio
#19 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth: because Thor died?

um OK, but why would that turn SS bloodlusted?? that picture doesnt answer my question and i dont even know what the scan is supposed to prove or mean

#20 Posted by Pierpat (2669 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostrider2: Well, darkseid has tanked GL's full blasts.....

#21 Edited by GhostRider2 (3274 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth: nothing i just posted it.SS also knows Thor it would be normal,if he won't be bloodlusted, he would be willing to kill Darkseid.Why do you keep asking?Why wouldn't SS be bloodlusted?

#22 Edited by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostrider2 said:

@inconvenient_truth: nothing i just posted it.SS also knows Thor it would be normal, in the worst scenario he would be willing to kill Darkseid.Why do you keep asking?Why wouldn't SS be bloodlusted?

because ive never heard that before. you made it seem like thor was SS's best friend or like there was something in SS's powerset that made him go blood lusted once a teammate gets killed. So far you have not said anything that has led me to believe that SS WOULD go blood lusted. but regardless of you not proving it, this battle is in character. so all characters stay in character. not that SS would go bloodlusted anyway.

#23 Edited by GhostRider2 (3274 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth: i can't find the scan but SS killed with no hesitation because someone died.And SS doesn't just kill, in character, however if he is threatened he would ko or kill.

#24 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth: i can't find the scan but SS killed with no hesitation because someone died.

Scan or it didnt happen lol. but thats irrelevant so lets not waste time. they are in character. do you think the team beats darkseid. pre 52 darkseid

#25 Posted by GhostRider2 (3274 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth: yes the team wins however if you believe me or not it's irrelevant lol, i know what i read.

#26 Edited by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostrider2: relax i just said its irrelevant cause this is in character. how do you see SS beating darkseid

#27 Posted by GhostRider2 (3274 posts) - - Show Bio
#28 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth: in character and alone i don't but with Thor they win.

i know thats what you think, im just asking how do you see it playing out

#29 Edited by GhostRider2 (3274 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth: Thor will distract him until SS invent something, SS can go astral plane and kill him there(im not sure on this one because Darkseid has telepathy but i don't know what level) or use matter manipulation he has many powers but because he is in character he won't fight at full strength.

#30 Edited by dum529001 (1624 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth:

Thor is not slow.

Examples:

Here, we see Thor flying outside a window and when Jane Foster gets his attention, Thor manages to intercept Cobra's poison dart within a split-second. The dart is fired before he even is inside the room, just to give you the proper frame of reference to understand the speed and reflexes necessary in Journey Into Mystery #98:

Thor digs a trench in a blur of motion that is "almost too fast for the human eye to follow." From Marvel Team-Up #26:

And here, while helping rebuild Asgard, Thor hammers down repeatedly on a pillar and "becomes a blur of motion" in Thor #267:

Here, Thor fights Heimdall and swings his hammer down on him at speeds "moving too swiftly for the eye to follow," even too fast for Heimdall in Journey Into Mystery#125:

Here, Hela only has to touch Thor in order to ensnare his soul in 1v1 combat, but is unable to do so because of his speed, "His speed, his anger, are beyond comprehension!" From Thor #354:

Here, while fending off two Herald-level foes, Adam Warlock likens his ability to catch his staff mid-swing and his combat speed to that of lightning, "He moves like the lightning he commands, much quicker than I remember." From Infinity Watch #23:

Here, in the space of one and one-fifth seconds, Thor dives out of the sky, smashes Mjolnir down and causes a supersonic shockwave to divert a runaway truck from killing a young boy ACROSS the city in Journey Into Mystery #108:

Here, in the space of micro-seconds before a zooming cursed Mjolnir will strike Thor from behind, Thor lays a haymaker onto an Enchanter and spins around in time to snatch Mjolnir in mid-air, from Thor #144:

Here, Thor is about to have his face smashed by a cursed Mjolnir which is zooming back to him, but he moves swiftly enough on reaction to dodge it inThor vol. 2 #27:

With his great speed, without the use of his natural control over the weather, he can create winds of hurricane force or greater- than-hurricane-force air shockwaves in Journey Into Mystery #100 and #84:

Here, he literally snatches a fired tank shell out of mid-air with his bare hand and bats a barrage of them back in Journey Into Mystery #93:

And similarly snatches a fired missile with his bare hand in Marvel Team-Up #148:

Here, with FTB speed, he deflects two bullets with a single swing way back in Journey Into Mystery #100:

Here, he blocks a single bullet with the head of Mjolnir before whirling it to create a field in Thor #246:

And many times again...

Here, Thor flings Mjolnir to the farthest reaches of the galaxy inThor: Whom The Gods Would Destroy:

And he can fling the hammer so fast that it transcends the boundaries of of time and space or go twice the speed of light:

As for FTL reactions that can be measured in nanoseconds (light travels one foot per nanosecond), he's swung and swatted away Blastaar's energy blasts inThor #270:

Far from a one-off FTL feat, he does the same to Mole Man's energy blaster shot in Marvel Two-In-One #96:

Here, Enchantress shoots a blast at Captain America and Thor reacts with FTL speed to cut off the energy blast in mid-flight, from Marvel Comics Presents#44:

Thor can spin Mjolnlr around fast enough to shield himself from lasers, from Thor #218:

Phoenix shoots a telepathic blast at a groggy Thor at the moment Thor's arms are at his side. AFTER the shot is fired and already traveling at him, Thor raises his arms and reflects it back with Mjolnir. Telepathy being instantaneous traditionally (as noted in the narration), we can assume for the sake of argument that it was only traveling at light-speed, making this another FTL feat, from Excalibur#428:

He bats away a possessed Iron Man's repulsor rays in Avengers vol. 3 #3:

And again bats away ray blasts in a training session in Avengers vol. 3 #23:

#31 Posted by xlab3000 (3140 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid

#32 Edited by crabtree (1619 posts) - - Show Bio

If superman can solo darkseid then SS could as well.

#33 Posted by TifaLockhart (14043 posts) - - Show Bio
#34 Edited by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

in reply to the "speed feats" scans:

moving at the speed where youre a blur isnt that fast for speedsters.

catching a dart isnt really impressive.

so he's faster than hela, ok but how fast is hela? until we know that, its not impressive

moving a hammer really fast isnt a speed feat.

using storms isnt a speed feat

#35 Edited by New_World_Order (12547 posts) - - Show Bio

Team stomps.

#36 Posted by capall2 (1428 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid wins easy...Darkseid avatar gets a smack down...

#37 Posted by oceanmaster21 (7759 posts) - - Show Bio

darkseid mite win if he plays his cards rite i say darkseid wins 6 out of 10

#38 Posted by sandiego008 (3283 posts) - - Show Bio

thor is probably the slowest character here (big surprise i know) but if he DID die first, why would SS not be in character after that??????

Read comics w/ SS in them and you would know the answer to this ... numerous times crap hit the fan and ppl go down and SS goes ape shiet and ends the fight instantly. That is what would happen here.

#39 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio
#40 Posted by The_PAIN (720 posts) - - Show Bio

Team, SS as MVP

#41 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

@dum529001:

this might be a moot point, @inconvenient_truth is already convinced that Thor is slow, and he doesn't let reason stand in his way

Dont put words in my mouth. his travel speed due to mjolnir is fast. FTL , fast. his combat speed however is not as fast. by a long shot

#42 Edited by Betatesthighlander1 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio
#43 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio
#44 Edited by Betatesthighlander1 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio
#45 Posted by MonsterStomp (16082 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid is not to be messed with. I see him winning.

#46 Edited by The_Holy_Fetus (8 posts) - - Show Bio

Would Thor's God blast be able to kill Darkseid or severally hurt him? i can see this going both ways but 6/10 in favor of the team

#47 Posted by beary_weary (2 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid was able to actually hang with superman for awhile and thanos whooped the shit out of thor and the avengers and silver surfer and thanos doesn't stand a chance against superman. Darkseid wins hands down.

#48 Edited by dondave (34547 posts) - - Show Bio

Team

#49 Posted by comic_book_fan (5295 posts) - - Show Bio

darkseid but it won't be easy.

#50 Posted by Sylvain (1640 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid was able to actually hang with superman for awhile and thanos whooped the shit out of thor and the avengers and silver surfer and thanos doesn't stand a chance against superman. Darkseid wins hands down.

Fool Thanos would beat Superman