Darkseid vs Thor (Read OP)

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#1 Edited by TheBatman586 (6316 posts) - 11 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
VS

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
In this fight, Thor is at his classic, Silver Age power level. He has with him the Belt of Strength, and is allowed to go into Warrior's Madness. Darkseid is Pre-Flashpoint. The fight takes place on a deserted Apokolips. No prep, no BFR, random encounter. Win by KO or death.
Who wins?
#2 Edited by Herokiller12344 (333 posts) - 11 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

Well classic Thor is equal to Classic Ultron and That's all I know. So how about Darkseid at this one?

#3 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - 11 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@Herokiller12344 said:

Well classic Thor is equal to Classic Ultron and That's all I know. So how about Darkseid at this one?

When was this established?

#4 Posted by Killemall (13431 posts) - 11 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

Still Darkseid.

I dont see what defense Thor has against Omega Effect.

#5 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (5923 posts) - 11 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

Should've taken away OE....unless this is jobberseid and Thor can deflect the OB.... then he gets erased from existence, or sent to the beginning of time.

#6 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - 11 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@Killemall said:

Still Darkseid.

I dont see what defense Thor has against Omega Effect.

Classic Thor could turn back time.

#7 Posted by a88378438 (3421 posts) - 11 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

PC DS easily pre-52 DS,still wins

#8 Posted by Killemall (13431 posts) - 11 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

Classic Thor could turn back time.

Before he gets erased from existence?

In order to time travel, thor had to circle his hammer, by the time he's done so OB or OE would wreak him.

#9 Posted by bluepride1234 (286 posts) - 11 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

@Killemall said:

Still Darkseid.

I dont see what defense Thor has against Omega Effect.

Classic Thor could turn back time.

What would this do against DS?

#10 Posted by Herokiller12344 (333 posts) - 11 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

@Herokiller12344 said:

Well classic Thor is equal to Classic Ultron and That's all I know. So how about Darkseid at this one?

When was this established?

At some point in the Silver Age

#11 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - 11 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

Classic Thor is essentially Thor.

Anyway, Thor's hammer can absorb all forms of energy, including the Darkseid's Omega Beams.

m99

#12 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - 11 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@Herokiller12344 said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@Herokiller12344 said:

Well classic Thor is equal to Classic Ultron and That's all I know. So how about Darkseid at this one?

When was this established?

At some point in the Silver Age

I doubt that.

@majestic99 said:

Classic Thor is essentially Thor.

Anyway, Thor's hammer can absorb all forms of energy, including the Darkseid's Omega Beams.

m99

Really?

#13 Posted by Stronger (4635 posts) - 11 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Darkseid doesnt really need the Omega Beam to beat him.

Online
#14 Posted by blackadamFTW (7821 posts) - 11 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

I say DS wins.

@majestic99 said:

Classic Thor is essentially Thor.

Anyway, Thor's hammer can absorb all forms of energy, including the Darkseid's Omega Beams.

m99

I think it could teleport Thor and his hammer before it would absorb anything.

#15 Posted by Kallarkz (3300 posts) - 11 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio
@jeanroygrant said:


Really?

No. He will argue to death that it's true but no. He has been known to make up Thor facts all over the forums and cannot understand that Thor is no longer being written how he was three decades ago.@blackadamFTW said:

I say DS wins.

@majestic99 said:

Classic Thor is essentially Thor.

Anyway, Thor's hammer can absorb all forms of energy, including the Darkseid's Omega Beams.

m99

I think it could teleport Thor and his hammer before it would absorb anything.

That sounds about right. 
And I'm not sure where I read that Thor's hammer can absorb any energy in existence. We have seen him absorbing different types...but I have never seen "Thor's hammer can absorb anything and everything". 
Another made up fact.
#16 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (5923 posts) - 11 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

Should've taken away OE....unless this is jobberseid and Thor can deflect the OB.... then he gets erased from existence, or sent to the beginning of time.

@majestic99 said:

Classic Thor is essentially Thor.

Anyway, Thor's hammer can absorb all forms of energy, including the Darkseid's Omega Beams.

m99

Wrong.......even if it could ... the OB's are completely guided with peerless mobility, maneuverability and accuracy .... unless Thor's hammer is an energy magnet (which i know it isn't).....then when he puts it up to absorb it....this happens......

Thor is no High Father either ..... way below him .... Thor cannot replicate this .......

#17 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - 11 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

Really?

Yes.

@blackadamFTW said:

I think it could teleport Thor and his hammer before it would absorb anything.

I just mentioned it can absorb all forms of energy.

@Ancient_0f_Days: @Kallarkz said:

That sounds about right. And I'm not sure where I read that Thor's hammer can absorb any energy in existence. We have seen him absorbing different types...but I have never seen "Thor's hammer can absorb anything and everything". Another made up fact.

Thor's hammer can't absorb energy at all, except for the times he absorbed energy from Zarrko's machines, absorbed radiation from Kang, absorbed Hemidall's cosmic flames, absorbed electricity, and absorbed the galaxy destroying power of a null bomb,etc.

because I make up Thor facts all the time......

#18 Posted by Kallarkz (3300 posts) - 11 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio
@majestic99 said:

@jeanroygrant said:

Really?

Yes.

@blackadamFTW said:

I think it could teleport Thor and his hammer before it would absorb anything.

I just mentioned it can absorb all forms of energy.

@Ancient_0f_Days: @Kallarkz said:

That sounds about right. And I'm not sure where I read that Thor's hammer can absorb any energy in existence. We have seen him absorbing different types...but I have never seen "Thor's hammer can absorb anything and everything". Another made up fact.

Thor's hammer can't absorb energy at all, except for the times he absorbed energy from Zarrko's machines, absorbed radiation from Kang, absorbed Hemidall's cosmic flames, absorbed electricity, and absorbed the galaxy destroying power of a null bomb,etc.

because I make up Thor facts all the time......

so of course it can absorb anything. 
And yes you do. A number of users including myself have seen you do it, called you out on it and you still continue to do it.
#19 Posted by RyuHayabusa (2015 posts) - 11 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@majestic99 said:

because I make up Thor facts all the time......

True

#20 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - 11 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@RyuHayabusa said:

@majestic99 said:

because I make up Thor facts all the time......

True

I do not.

m99

#21 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - 11 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@Kallarkz said:

so of course it can absorb anything. And yes you do. A number of users including myself have seen you do it, called you out on it and you still continue to do it.

You saw the scans, he can absorb energy, and you're making up things, because I've never made up Thor facts.

m99

#22 Posted by isaac_clarke (4395 posts) - 11 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Darkseid shouldn't have much issues with this, assuming he actually uses his power to win rather than slugfest with Thor.

#23 Posted by Kallarkz (3300 posts) - 11 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio
@majestic99 said:

@Kallarkz said:

so of course it can absorb anything. And yes you do. A number of users including myself have seen you do it, called you out on it and you still continue to do it.

You saw the scans, he can absorb energy, and you're making up things, because I've never made up Thor facts.

m99

Yes you have. I could even call other users to this thread who have seen you do it. 
So you're saying he can absorb any type of energy in existence?   
Made up fact #609
#24 Posted by isaac_clarke (4395 posts) - 11 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@Killemall said:

Still Darkseid.

I dont see what defense Thor has against Omega Effect.

A hammer invested with Odin Power comes to mind. He'd likely throw his hammer at the damn thing to stop it.

#25 Posted by blackadamFTW (7821 posts) - 11 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@majestic99 said:

@jeanroygrant said:

Really?

Yes.

@blackadamFTW said:

I think it could teleport Thor and his hammer before it would absorb anything.

I just mentioned it can absorb all forms of energy.

@Ancient_0f_Days: @Kallarkz said:

That sounds about right. And I'm not sure where I read that Thor's hammer can absorb any energy in existence. We have seen him absorbing different types...but I have never seen "Thor's hammer can absorb anything and everything". Another made up fact.

Thor's hammer can't absorb energy at all, except for the times he absorbed energy from Zarrko's machines, absorbed radiation from Kang, absorbed Hemidall's cosmic flames, absorbed electricity, and absorbed the galaxy destroying power of a null bomb,etc.

because I make up Thor facts all the time......

And I mentioned that I thought that it could teleport him before it would absorb anything.

It's not like that's a completely outrageous hypothesis, am I right?

#26 Posted by Kallarkz (3300 posts) - 11 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio
@blackadamFTW said:


And I mentioned that I thought that it could teleport him before it would absorb anything.

It's not like that's a completely outrageous hypothesis, am I right?

It's totally plausible. 
 Really don't expect to get any answer from this guy other than "Thor wins or Thor stomps". 
 no matter how plausible your argument is he only sees things the way he wants to. 
#27 Posted by blackadamFTW (7821 posts) - 11 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@Kallarkz said:

@blackadamFTW said:

And I mentioned that I thought that it could teleport him before it would absorb anything.

It's not like that's a completely outrageous hypothesis, am I right?

It's totally plausible. Really don't expect to get any answer from this guy other than "Thor wins or Thor stomps". no matter how plausible your argument is he only sees things the way he wants to.

As much as I like m99, he's a total Thor fanboy.

If you're reading this majestic: you know its true.

#28 Posted by Docnick (10451 posts) - 11 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Thor wins via pushing him down a set of stairs.

#29 Posted by SHAZAM117 (1183 posts) - 11 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

LMAO!!!@nickthedevil..that's great!........But Seriously, Darkseid should be able to take Thor. Would be an awesome fight, but I just can't see Thor soloing Darkseid

#30 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (5923 posts) - 11 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@majestic99:

Wrong.......even if it could ... the OB's are completely guided with peerless mobility, maneuverability and accuracy .... unless Thor's hammer is an energy magnet (which i know it isn't).....then when he puts it up to absorb it....this happens......


Thor is no High Father either ..... way below him .... Thor cannot replicate this .......


#31 Posted by Petey_is_Spidey (1988 posts) - 11 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Darkseid.

I.A.T.

#32 Posted by BigCimmerian (4329 posts) - 11 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@Stronger said:

Darkseid doesnt really need the Omega Beam to beat him.

But in warrior madness Thor is 10x stronger than Superman

#33 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - 11 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@blackadamFTW said:

And I mentioned that I thought that it could teleport him before it would absorb anything.

It's not like that's a completely outrageous hypothesis, am I right?

It's not. I was just mentioning the fact that it can absorb energy.

m99

#34 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - 11 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@blackadamFTW said:

As much as I like m99, he's a total Thor fanboy.

If you're reading this majestic: you know its true.

No it's not. I know Thor can't beat everyone. He can' beat Beyonder(pre or post retcon), Silver Age Superman, Superman Prime, Molecule Man,etc.

m99

#35 Posted by Kallarkz (3300 posts) - 11 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio
@majestic99 said:

@blackadamFTW said:

As much as I like m99, he's a total Thor fanboy.

If you're reading this majestic: you know its true.

No it's not. I know Thor can't beat everyone. He can' beat Beyonder(pre or post retcon), Silver Age Superman, Superman Prime, Molecule Man,etc.

m99

I guess that wasn't Thor would just got smacked into the moon by the Phoenix. 
 
That etc of yours is missing a lot of names.
#36 Posted by Floopay (5582 posts) - 11 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

@blackadamFTW said:

@majestic99 said:

@jeanroygrant said:

Really?

Yes.

@blackadamFTW said:

I think it could teleport Thor and his hammer before it would absorb anything.

I just mentioned it can absorb all forms of energy.

@Ancient_0f_Days: @Kallarkz said:

That sounds about right. And I'm not sure where I read that Thor's hammer can absorb any energy in existence. We have seen him absorbing different types...but I have never seen "Thor's hammer can absorb anything and everything". Another made up fact.

Thor's hammer can't absorb energy at all, except for the times he absorbed energy from Zarrko's machines, absorbed radiation from Kang, absorbed Hemidall's cosmic flames, absorbed electricity, and absorbed the galaxy destroying power of a null bomb,etc.

because I make up Thor facts all the time......

And I mentioned that I thought that it could teleport him before it would absorb anything.

It's not like that's a completely outrageous hypothesis, am I right?

Well to be fair, if we assume that it can absorb it, then no it could not teleport him before his hammer absorbs it. Once it would reach Thor it would be absorbed and nullify any effects. This is assuming his hammer can absorb it which I cannot confirm or deny.

@Kallarkz: @isaac_clarke:

I've read a lot about Darkseid but never really read much of Darkseid in the way of comics. I just had a question. How does the Omega Beam fair against magic? Because Thor is essentially wearing a suit of magic and protected by a hammer enchanted with the highest levels of magic. Essentially his entire body is covered in a nice little magical shell. I was just wondering how often has OB come into contact with magical defenses, because in both universes, magic seems to be on its own level and most characters can't absorb it, defend against it (without magic), or affect it (again, without the use of other magic). I'm not saying that he's impenetrable, I'm just saying that he does have a layer of magical defense. I did read that they had no affect on Wonder Woman's bracelets, and have failed against Superman before. I'm pretty sure Wonder Woman's Bracelets are nowhere near as well enchanted as Thor's Hammer.

If OB works on Thor then he doesn't stand a chance here. However, if OB doesn't work then I think he could take Darkseid at least 5/10, maybe 6/10. I know Darkseid has a speed advantage here, but Thor with WM and his belt should give him a huge strength advantage, plus we add all his hammer feats and he might have a versatility advantage.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#37 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - 11 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

@Kallarkz said:

I guess that wasn't Thor would just got smacked into the moon by the Phoenix. That etc of yours is missing a lot of names.

1. Can you rephrase the bolded part?

2. I know, but I'm not going to list them all.

m99

#38 Posted by isaac_clarke (4395 posts) - 11 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

@Kallarkz said:

I guess that wasn't Thor would just got smacked into the moon by the Phoenix. That etc of yours is missing a lot of names.

He had the damn thing running away from him after a hammer toss to get more power. That doesn't sound like much of a low showing. :P

@Floopay: The armor Thor runs around in isn't very special, namely why it usually goes down long before he does.

#39 Posted by Floopay (5582 posts) - 11 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

@isaac_clarke: Again I was just asking, I don't know a ton about Darkseid, just basically what I've read about him.

@majestic99: I could probably name 100 characters or more that Thor could not (or should not) be able to beat. Thor is a great character, but if we're talking Pre-OF and Runeking Thor, then there are a lot of characters who have feats above him, and who are just in general out of his league. Darkseid might be one of these people.

I dunno, again I only give this to Thor if OB doesn't work. Darkseid is a heck of a lot faster and has better reflexes (there is no argument otherwise from what I've seen of Darkseid), but I don't think he's so much faster that Thor couldn't pull a win if he didn't have OB. So again without OB I'm going 5/10 to 6/10 with Thor.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#40 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - 11 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

@Floopay said:

@majestic99: I could probably name 100 characters or more that Thor could not (or should not) be able to beat. Thor is a great character, but if we're talking Pre-OF and Runeking Thor, then there are a lot of characters who have feats above him, and who are just in general out of his league. Darkseid might be one of these people.

I dunno, again I only give this to Thor if OB doesn't work. Darkseid is a heck of a lot faster and has better reflexes (there is no argument otherwise from what I've seen of Darkseid), but I don't think he's so much faster that Thor couldn't pull a win if he didn't have OB. So again without OB I'm going 5/10 to 6/10 with Thor.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

I know, I was just pointing out that Thor isn't unbeatable.
m99

#41 Posted by kcaz (1356 posts) - 11 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

darkseid is just slightly below thanos's level, and thanos at normal level traded punches with thor+warrior's madness+power gem, and still defeated thor. without the help of the power gem, darkseid will stomp thor

#42 Posted by kcaz (1356 posts) - 11 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio
@majestic99 said:

Classic Thor is essentially Thor.

Anyway, Thor's hammer can absorb all forms of energy, including the Darkseid's Omega Beams.

m99

but the omega beams can bend according to darkseid's will. it can hit thor in the back and thor will never see it coming
#43 Posted by Kallarkz (3300 posts) - 11 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio
@isaac_clarke said:

@Kallarkz said:

I guess that wasn't Thor would just got smacked into the moon by the Phoenix. That etc of yours is missing a lot of names.

He had the damn thing running away from him after a hammer toss to get more power. That doesn't sound like much of a low showing. :P

@Floopay: The armor Thor runs around in isn't very special, namely why it usually goes down long before he does.

It ran away? No
#44 Posted by Herokiller12344 (333 posts) - 11 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

@Floopay said:

@blackadamFTW said:

@majestic99 said:

@jeanroygrant said:

Really?

Yes.

@blackadamFTW said:

I think it could teleport Thor and his hammer before it would absorb anything.

I just mentioned it can absorb all forms of energy.

@Ancient_0f_Days: @Kallarkz said:

That sounds about right. And I'm not sure where I read that Thor's hammer can absorb any energy in existence. We have seen him absorbing different types...but I have never seen "Thor's hammer can absorb anything and everything". Another made up fact.

Thor's hammer can't absorb energy at all, except for the times he absorbed energy from Zarrko's machines, absorbed radiation from Kang, absorbed Hemidall's cosmic flames, absorbed electricity, and absorbed the galaxy destroying power of a null bomb,etc.

because I make up Thor facts all the time......

And I mentioned that I thought that it could teleport him before it would absorb anything.

It's not like that's a completely outrageous hypothesis, am I right?

Well to be fair, if we assume that it can absorb it, then no it could not teleport him before his hammer absorbs it. Once it would reach Thor it would be absorbed and nullify any effects. This is assuming his hammer can absorb it which I cannot confirm or deny.

@Kallarkz: @isaac_clarke:

I've read a lot about Darkseid but never really read much of Darkseid in the way of comics. I just had a question. How does the Omega Beam fair against magic? Because Thor is essentially wearing a suit of magic and protected by a hammer enchanted with the highest levels of magic. Essentially his entire body is covered in a nice little magical shell. I was just wondering how often has OB come into contact with magical defenses, because in both universes, magic seems to be on its own level and most characters can't absorb it, defend against it (without magic), or affect it (again, without the use of other magic). I'm not saying that he's impenetrable, I'm just saying that he does have a layer of magical defense. I did read that they had no affect on Wonder Woman's bracelets, and have failed against Superman before. I'm pretty sure Wonder Woman's Bracelets are nowhere near as well enchanted as Thor's Hammer.

If OB works on Thor then he doesn't stand a chance here. However, if OB doesn't work then I think he could take Darkseid at least 5/10, maybe 6/10. I know Darkseid has a speed advantage here, but Thor with WM and his belt should give him a huge strength advantage, plus we add all his hammer feats and he might have a versatility advantage.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Ok, I want all of you Nerds to stop replying to these guys. Because It's filling up my damn Inbox!

#45 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (5923 posts) - 11 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

@Herokiller12344: Nerds??? hmmm... to flag or not to flag.....

#46 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - 11 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

@kcaz said:

@majestic99 said:

Classic Thor is essentially Thor.

Anyway, Thor's hammer can absorb all forms of energy, including the Darkseid's Omega Beams.

m99

but the omega beams can bend according to darkseid's will. it can hit thor in the back and thor will never see it coming

I was just pointing out his hammer can absorb energy, contrary to someone who thinks they know what they're talking about(kallkarz).

#47 Posted by Killemall (13431 posts) - 11 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

@isaac_clarke said:

A hammer invested with Odin Power comes to mind. He'd likely throw his hammer at the damn thing to stop it.

The beam should be able to dodge the hammer, or bypass it.

#48 Posted by Killemall (13431 posts) - 11 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

@Floopay: I can understand Darkseid being stronger and more powerful than thor, but what makes you think he's faster?

@Kallarkz said:

Yes you have. I could even call other users to this thread who have seen you do it. So you're saying he can absorb any type of energy in existence? Made up fact #609

Well unless you could show evidence that Thor cannot absorb certain kind of energy attack, i would think majestic99 is correct in thinking Thor can absorb any kind of energy. There has been many other instances too, Thor has absorbed Phoenix's blast as well before you bring that up. Being able to absorb energy is one of his cannon power, even acknoweledged in his bio, unless you have anything that contradicts it.

#49 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - 11 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

@Killemall:

Don't bother, I showed him scans he insults me because he has no counterargument.

m99

#50 Edited by Kallarkz (3300 posts) - 11 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio
@Killemall said:

@Floopay: I can understand Darkseid being stronger and more powerful than thor, but what makes you think he's faster?

@Kallarkz said:

Yes you have. I could even call other users to this thread who have seen you do it. So you're saying he can absorb any type of energy in existence? Made up fact #609

Well unless you could show evidence that Thor cannot absorb certain kind of energy attack, i would think majestic99 is correct in thinking Thor can absorb any kind of energy. There has been many other instances too, Thor has absorbed Phoenix's blast as well before you bring that up. Being able to absorb energy is one of his cannon power, even acknoweledged in his bio, unless you have anything that contradicts it.

This is too wide of an assumption.  
Thor's hammer I will admit is able to absorb many differnt types but I still will not concede that no matter what energy thor comes into contact with he can absorb it. 
This leads to people saying that when he comes against a Green Lantern: he drains their power ring 
Against Superman: he removes his solar energy. 
I will give it to Thor that he can do many impressive things with his hammer but before I make absolute statements (since I actually like to confirm what I say) I would really like to see somewhere that Thor's hammer can absorb all energy. 
I'll look for some evidence to support this since I actually read Thor comics and have a vast collection. but I did read in an issue of Mighty Thor an instance in which Thor attempted to absorb energy but couldn't and he said it was "unfamiliar". I have to look through my entire collection of the series though which could take some digging so I won't use that as direct evidence yet.
 
I would be more than willing to admit this as I have with other abilities with other characters...but when I make absolute statements like that I do not do it lightly. 
 
@majestic  I simply believe you do not know any better and are not of an age yet in which you can have a meaningful debate. When things get too hard to handle, you threaten to leave the forum and announce to everyone that people are too mean here. Classic behavior of a child.
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