#1 Posted by WillPayton (9443 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid (post-Crisis, pre-52):

VS

Marvel Team:

Darkseid has found out about the Infinity Gauntlet and teleports himself to the Marvel universe to find it. Adam Warlock somehow senses the new dangerous presence and quickly assembles a team to go deal with him. There's no time to waste, so as soon as all members are together they begin their attack.

No prep, everyone in character, standard equipment. No knowledge, but they can all sense the power of their opponents, so they wont be holding back. Gladiator is at 50% confidence. Sentry is at 50% crazy. Thor is having a good hair day.

Can Darkseid defeat this team?

#2 Posted by LordVulcan (209 posts) - - Show Bio

can sentry use void?

#3 Posted by WillPayton (9443 posts) - - Show Bio

@LordVulcan said:

can sentry use void?

No void for this battle.

#4 Posted by Immortal777 (7579 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't see why the OB don't just kill most of them off the bat.

#5 Posted by Funcake (298 posts) - - Show Bio

@Immortal777 said:

I don't see why the OB don't just kill most of them off the bat.

Because the full effect of OB wouln´t work in Marvel Universe. Darkseid is not above TOAA or LT to run around and erase Marvel charackters from the existence. If the OP state thats is a neutral universe than it would be another case.

#6 Posted by Immortal777 (7579 posts) - - Show Bio

@Funcake: Who said anything about them being erased from existence.

#7 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (1525 posts) - - Show Bio

This Marvel team is basically all near Superman level characters with some serious energy projection and magic, they take this one.

Wait I just saw SS, Marvel team in a stomp.

#8 Posted by Dextersinister (6128 posts) - - Show Bio

@Funcake said:

@Immortal777 said:

I don't see why the OB don't just kill most of them off the bat.

Because the full effect of OB wouln´t work in Marvel Universe. Darkseid is not above TOAA or LT to run around and erase Marvel charackters from the existence. If the OP state thats is a neutral universe than it would be another case.

The OB was retconned into not having it's full effect on certain people that the Source deems to important to remove from existence. Not sure what this criteria is but the TOAA and LT won't care about any of these individuals being removed from existence the Source may as he seems like a hands on sort of Uber cosmic entity but like I said I don't know who gets the label of essential.

#9 Posted by Immortal777 (7579 posts) - - Show Bio

OB and OS all around would do the trick.

#10 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (1525 posts) - - Show Bio

@Immortal777: It is more than possible that SS, BRB, or Thor could block the OB at least once, and that is all it would take.

#11 Posted by Immortal777 (7579 posts) - - Show Bio

@Man_of_Miracles: I doubt it the OB move to fast also they can turn intangible and go right threw Thor and BRB hammers. Surfer might be able to block them who knows but after everyone else is either BFR or dead Surfer would just get beat to death.

#12 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (1525 posts) - - Show Bio

@Immortal777: When has Darkseid ever taken out some many powerful opponents out with the OB? Even if he opened up with the OB the others would have time to take him down while the OB chased its intended target.

#13 Posted by gonjasufi (173 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel, not really that much of a battle imo. 

#14 Posted by Immortal777 (7579 posts) - - Show Bio

@Man_of_Miracles: Darkseid has the superior strength, speed (better combat speed compared to Surfer) and durability while also having OB,OS, TP ,TK and etc. What kind of time do they have while not only Darkseid but the OB also move faster than the brunt of the team being Nova, Thor, BRB and Adam all of which will get hit their combat speed isn't good enough. Surfer isn't doing this alone while in character he will try to engage Darkseid physically which is his down fall. Gladiator at 50% confidence whatever that means is a joke and can't be compared to Superman all Darkseid has to do is tank his punches and Glads confidence will drop. Sentry I just don't care.

#15 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (1525 posts) - - Show Bio

@Immortal777: SS would be a good match for Darkseid by himself , adding the others assures Marvel the win. SS has matter manipulation, cosmic awareness, teleportation, TP, energy blasts, incredibly high durability.

#16 Posted by WillPayton (9443 posts) - - Show Bio

@Man_of_Miracles said:

@Immortal777: SS would be a good match for Darkseid by himself , adding the others assures Marvel the win. SS has matter manipulation, cosmic awareness, teleportation, TP, energy blasts, incredibly high durability.

SS by himself would get smacked around by DS.

#17 Posted by ChaosBlazer (3930 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel team.

#18 Posted by Typhion (640 posts) - - Show Bio

Team Marvel takes this. Without SS though, DS wins in a very fun fight. OB's even without full omega effect are very, very, versatile. He's got the strength, durability, and reflexes to hang with all of these guys for quite a while.

BTW, infinity gauntlet is totally NOT Darkseid's style. He wants subservience based on admittance of his superiority. He likes to corrupt the mind and soul. Even his pursuit of the anti-life equation, while it's supposedly an equation that would allow total domination of all minds in the universe, is really more a proof of the futility of life. It's his spite for the whole fabric of the universe that drives him to pursue it.

#19 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (1525 posts) - - Show Bio

@WillPayton: He would lose, he wouldn't get smacked around. In addition the OP has added 6 other very powerful characters.

#20 Posted by WillPayton (9443 posts) - - Show Bio

@Man_of_Miracles said:

@WillPayton: He would lose, he wouldn't get smacked around. In addition the OP has added 6 other very powerful characters.

If Thanos can smack around SS, so can Darkseid.

#21 Posted by crabtree (1623 posts) - - Show Bio

marvel wins. If superman can beat darkseid by himself so cant most of these guys.

#22 Posted by WillPayton (9443 posts) - - Show Bio

@crabtree said:

marvel wins. If superman can beat darkseid by himself so cant most of these guys.

What the what??

#23 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (1525 posts) - - Show Bio

@WillPayton: Superman has beat Darkseid before, on the vine 90% of people say SS>Superman

so this guy is right.

#24 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (1525 posts) - - Show Bio

@WillPayton: Ok but but Thanos got a hold of SS, in this fight he knows what he is up against so it isn't like Darkseid can just grab him and SS at a distance is a problem for anyone.

#25 Posted by _Black (2302 posts) - - Show Bio

@crabtree said:

marvel wins. If superman can beat darkseid by himself so cant most of these guys.

Face meet palm.

#26 Posted by WillPayton (9443 posts) - - Show Bio

@Man_of_Miracles said:

@WillPayton: Superman has beat Darkseid before, on the vine 90% of people say SS>Superman

so this guy is right.

Are you people on crack? Superman has no chance of beating Darkseid.

#27 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (1525 posts) - - Show Bio

@WillPayton: Can someone find the scans of Supes beating Darkseid? I will look for them.

#28 Posted by VenomousDragon (852 posts) - - Show Bio

I heard SS has become quite a beast recently so that could factor into the match

#29 Posted by imbackwimps (1064 posts) - - Show Bio

marvel major stomp

#30 Posted by Havenless (1341 posts) - - Show Bio

Can't Surfer just phase through Darkseid's punches and OB?

And then turn him into a chimpanzee with the power cosmic?

#31 Posted by imbackwimps (1064 posts) - - Show Bio

@VenomousDragon said:

I heard SS has become quite a beast recently so that could factor into the match

here you go

and darkseid using the OB and supes taking it

#32 Posted by ghost_rider1 (3497 posts) - - Show Bio

SS would beat darkseid by himself. He would tell everyone to stay out the fight and let him handle it. SS go on a rampage and kills darkseid

#33 Posted by _Black (2302 posts) - - Show Bio

@Havenless said:

Can't Surfer just phase through Darkseid's punches and OB?

And then turn him into a chimpanzee with the power cosmic?

I don't think phasing works against the Omega Beams and I sincerely doubt matter manipulation would work against Darkseid, not to mention that Norrin would never do that with morals on unless under an extreme situation.

#34 Posted by ghost_rider1 (3497 posts) - - Show Bio
@_Black

@Havenless said:

Can't Surfer just phase through Darkseid's punches and OB?

And then turn him into a chimpanzee with the power cosmic?

I don't think phasing works against the Omega Beams and I sincerely doubt matter manipulation would work against Darkseid, not to mention that Norrin would never do that with morals on unless under an extreme situation.

He would probably do that if the marvel universe was in danger
#35 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (20239 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel Team wins

#36 Posted by _Black (2302 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghost_rider1 said:

@_Black

@Havenless said:

Can't Surfer just phase through Darkseid's punches and OB?

And then turn him into a chimpanzee with the power cosmic?

I don't think phasing works against the Omega Beams and I sincerely doubt matter manipulation would work against Darkseid, not to mention that Norrin would never do that with morals on unless under an extreme situation.

He would probably do that if the marvel universe was in danger

I acknowledged that. Darkseid would decisively beat Surfer one on one, by the way.

#37 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (1525 posts) - - Show Bio

@imbackwimps: Yayyy

#38 Edited by WillPayton (9443 posts) - - Show Bio

@imbackwimps said:

@VenomousDragon said:

I heard SS has become quite a beast recently so that could factor into the match

here you go

and supes taking it

Superman surviving OB is because he cant die and is protected by the Presence or some other nonsense. DS normally slaps Superman around.

#39 Posted by GhostRider29 (2673 posts) - - Show Bio

I could see the team winning. But Sentry might betray them with his insanity and Gladiator will soon become useless.

#40 Posted by cliffrice (1015 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel here WIth silver surfer.

ALso Sentry Stalemated Galactus (Snicker) Galactus > Darkseid.

#41 Posted by cliffrice (1015 posts) - - Show Bio

@zornefaidas said:

@cliffrice said:

Marvel here WIth silver surfer.

ALso Sentry Stalemated Galactus (Snicker) Galactus > Darkseid.

you are fucking retarded

Nope, didn't you see my Snicker you dingleberry LOL I was obviously joking about sentry power level. even though it was mentioned in a comic that he in fact did stalemate galactus it just never happened on panel.

#42 Posted by GhostRider2 (3303 posts) - - Show Bio

@imbackwimps said:

marvel major stomp

Right,they have SS....this is to much for darkseid.

Online
#43 Posted by Dextersinister (6128 posts) - - Show Bio

@GhostRider2: Hasn't the SS been about as durable as a damp cloth in the last few years.

#44 Posted by izbighulk (640 posts) - - Show Bio

the team wins period

#45 Posted by Freefa11 (2371 posts) - - Show Bio

@WillPayton said:

Superman surviving OB is because he cant die and is protected by the Presence or some other nonsense. DS normally slaps Superman around.

No, Superman survives because he is tough enough to take it. I have never seen the "protected by the Source" rationale ever presented or even hinted at in an actual comic, nor have I ever seen a poster who used it actually provide evidence that it is real. As far as I can tell, it is a fan-created justification for how the Omega Effect could possibly fail to destroy someone Darkseid's fans are all convinced, a priori, must be vastly inferior to him.

DS and Superman have had several encounters. Most of them are either brief exchanges with only superficial damage inflicted at most or stalemates before being interrupted. Superman does have a few actual wins over Darkseid though, and vice-versa. Overall though, Superman has held up against Darkseid long enough, often enough, for them to be considered roughly in the same combat tier. Superman is definitely strong enough to harm Darkseid with his blows, and he is fast enough to both land said blows, and even evade the Omega Effect on a good day. His durability is also high enough to tank some physical hits from Darkseid, as well as the Omega Beams for a bit.

Darkseid is just overmatched here. Between Thor, BRB, Warlock, and SS, I really don't see why the group could not mount a defense against the Omega Beams; we have many high end energy manipulators and absorbers here, along with plenty of raw power. Although dropping Gladiator to 50% confidence (whatever that means; I'll just assume 50% power for simplicity) makes him kind of useless, since normally he's around Thor's level physically.

#46 Posted by Funcake (298 posts) - - Show Bio

@Immortal777: Sorry I was tired and assume this..