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#1 Posted by 18hunt (2891 posts) - - Show Bio

On DS's planet Morals off

#2 Edited by NeonGameWave (7205 posts) - - Show Bio

Team murders.

#3 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (4003 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid stomps.

#4 Posted by SavageDragon (2162 posts) - - Show Bio

What can Raven do to Darkseid? Black Atoms pretty tough but I will go with Darkseid

#5 Posted by dondave (26539 posts) - - Show Bio

@18hunt: whos Black Atom

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#6 Posted by Joygirl (15325 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Adam has a chance to solo this. With Raven's not-insubstantial assistance I do believe this team has this in the bag. Team 8/10.

#7 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@Joygirl said:

Black Adam has a chance to solo this. With Raven's not-insubstantial assistance I do believe this team has this in the bag. Team 8/10.

If Superman can do it, why shouldn't Black Adam. I agree ^_^

#8 Posted by Dextersinister (5069 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

@Joygirl said:

Black Adam has a chance to solo this. With Raven's not-insubstantial assistance I do believe this team has this in the bag. Team 8/10.

If Superman can do it, why shouldn't Black Adam. I agree ^_^

Darkseid stomps, that was in an era when he was a Superman villain and Black Bolt's stats don't touch Superman's Raven's mostly useless here.

#9 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dextersinister said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@Joygirl said:

Black Adam has a chance to solo this. With Raven's not-insubstantial assistance I do believe this team has this in the bag. Team 8/10.

If Superman can do it, why shouldn't Black Adam. I agree ^_^

Darkseid stomps, that was in an era when he was a Superman villain and Black Bolt's stats don't touch Superman's Raven's mostly useless here.

Black Bolt?

#10 Posted by I_am_Warlock (289 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dextersinister said:

Darkseid stomps, that was in an era when he was a Superman villain and Black Bolt's stats don't touch Superman's Raven's mostly useless here.

Its not Black Bolt, its Black Atom in OP (lol, i think he means Black Adam).

Also make a case why you think Darkseid stomps, as far as i am concerned Black Adam can take Darkseid all on his own. Raven could use soul self, although i am not convinced she can do anything noteworthy to Darkseid.

#11 Posted by Dextersinister (5069 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

@Dextersinister said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@Joygirl said:

Black Adam has a chance to solo this. With Raven's not-insubstantial assistance I do believe this team has this in the bag. Team 8/10.

If Superman can do it, why shouldn't Black Adam. I agree ^_^

Darkseid stomps, that was in an era when he was a Superman villain and Black Bolt's stats don't touch Superman's Raven's mostly useless here.

Black Bolt?

My mistake mind was on another thread, Black Adam would put up a much better fight than Black Bolt but given Darkseid's knowledge on the arcane and his high showings against magic characters as well as manipulation of them he should take this. By the rules we should be using new 52 but then that's even more of a stomp.

#12 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dextersinister said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@Dextersinister said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@Joygirl said:

Black Adam has a chance to solo this. With Raven's not-insubstantial assistance I do believe this team has this in the bag. Team 8/10.

If Superman can do it, why shouldn't Black Adam. I agree ^_^

Darkseid stomps, that was in an era when he was a Superman villain and Black Bolt's stats don't touch Superman's Raven's mostly useless here.

Black Bolt?

My mistake mind was on another thread, Black Adam would put up a much better fight than Black Bolt but given Darkseid's knowledge on the arcane and his high showings against magic characters as well as manipulation of them he should take this. By the rules we should be using new 52 but then that's even more of a stomp.

New 52 Darkseid has like 1feat

#13 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dextersinister said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@Dextersinister said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@Joygirl said:

Black Adam has a chance to solo this. With Raven's not-insubstantial assistance I do believe this team has this in the bag. Team 8/10.

If Superman can do it, why shouldn't Black Adam. I agree ^_^

Darkseid stomps, that was in an era when he was a Superman villain and Black Bolt's stats don't touch Superman's Raven's mostly useless here.

Black Bolt?

My mistake mind was on another thread, Black Adam would put up a much better fight than Black Bolt but given Darkseid's knowledge on the arcane and his high showings against magic characters as well as manipulation of them he should take this. By the rules we should be using new 52 but then that's even more of a stomp.

Oh

#14 Posted by I_am_Warlock (289 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

New 52 Darkseid has like 1feat

Well Raven and Black Adam has close to none so lol.

New 52 Darkseid all the way.

#15 Posted by 18hunt (2891 posts) - - Show Bio

Sorry, I meant Black ADAM!

#16 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (4003 posts) - - Show Bio

Adam an Raven taste Darkseids pimphand.

#17 Posted by dondave (26539 posts) - - Show Bio

Team ftw

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#18 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@I_am_Warlock said:

@jeanroygrant said:

New 52 Darkseid has like 1feat

Well Raven and Black Adam has close to none so lol.

New 52 Darkseid all the way.

No one said this was NEW 52 levels, lol. I just assumed you guys were only using that Darkseid.

#19 Posted by 18hunt (2891 posts) - - Show Bio

It is hard for me, Maybe the team?

#20 Posted by Dextersinister (5069 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

@Dextersinister said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@Dextersinister said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@Joygirl said:

Black Adam has a chance to solo this. With Raven's not-insubstantial assistance I do believe this team has this in the bag. Team 8/10.

If Superman can do it, why shouldn't Black Adam. I agree ^_^

Darkseid stomps, that was in an era when he was a Superman villain and Black Bolt's stats don't touch Superman's Raven's mostly useless here.

Black Bolt?

My mistake mind was on another thread, Black Adam would put up a much better fight than Black Bolt but given Darkseid's knowledge on the arcane and his high showings against magic characters as well as manipulation of them he should take this. By the rules we should be using new 52 but then that's even more of a stomp.

New 52 Darkseid has like 1feat

New 52 Black Adam has even less.

#21 Posted by Outside_85 (7074 posts) - - Show Bio

@SavageDragon said:

What can Raven do to Darkseid? Black Atoms pretty tough but I will go with Darkseid

During the epilogue of Our Worlds at War, Wonder Woman explained to Darkseid that Raven had 'infected' him with a piece of Wonder Woman's soul and he hadn't noticed before she told him.

#22 Posted by Nightflash (713 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid stomps

#23 Posted by Bane_of_sith (2700 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm fenced,,leaning toward team though

#24 Posted by logy5000 (5524 posts) - - Show Bio

You spelled Black Adam wrong lol.

Anyway the team probably takes it.

#25 Posted by Dextersinister (5069 posts) - - Show Bio

@Outside_85 said:

@SavageDragon said:

What can Raven do to Darkseid? Black Atoms pretty tough but I will go with Darkseid

During the epilogue of Our Worlds at War, Wonder Woman explained to Darkseid that Raven had 'infected' him with a piece of Wonder Woman's soul and he hadn't noticed before she told him.

It's had absolutely no effect apart from making him go noooooooo then and there and it's pretty much been completely forgotten straight after it happened with no mention from either character, she may as well have lended him her hair dryer for all the good it's done.

#26 Posted by Outside_85 (7074 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dextersinister: The feat lies in that she could get it in there without him noticing.

#27 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (10235 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid BFRs them both

#28 Posted by logy5000 (5524 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days: I kinda doubt that since Superman always finds a way back & Black Adam is above Superman.

#29 Edited by Dextersinister (5069 posts) - - Show Bio

@Outside_85 said:

@Dextersinister: The feat lies in that she could get it in there without him noticing.

Get in where his head? The feat never accomplished anything and she has done nothing to him. The feat was also done when he was allowing there faith to empower him so it was slipped in when he was allowing access.

#30 Posted by Outside_85 (7074 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dextersinister: Raven was only delivering the piece, it's perhaps more an example of how poisonous Darkseid's soul is that it could completely smother Wonder Woman's love and compassion.

#31 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (10235 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

@Ancient_0f_Days: I kinda doubt that since Superman always finds a way back & Black Adam is above Superman.

name 1 time superman got BFRd and came back ...... ABC logic doesn't work here.

#32 Posted by Killer_of_trolls (1852 posts) - - Show Bio

It's funny how in American accent, both name are pronounced the same.

#33 Posted by logy5000 (5524 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days: Name a time Darkseid BFRed Superman.

#34 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (10235 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

@Ancient_0f_Days: Name a time Darkseid BFRed Superman.

It doesn't work like that, you can't prove me wrong with a question. But hey, you wan't to see BFR....it aint Superman, but neither is Black Adam

Darkseid wins

#35 Posted by Dextersinister (5069 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

@Ancient_0f_Days: Name a time Darkseid BFRed Superman.

#36 Posted by logy5000 (5524 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days: You said no ABC logic, so even if it does work on Superman, we can't assume it won't work on Black Adam.

#37 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (10235 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

@Ancient_0f_Days: You said no ABC logic, so even if it does work on Superman, we can't assume it won't work on Black Adam.

oh yeah of course.....cus black adam is special right? more special than lightray, eve and orion? more special than Infinity Man too perhaps?

Yeah sure....cool story, Teth goes to a nursery home

#38 Posted by Alyssabird (1363 posts) - - Show Bio

Doesn't Darkseid have mind controlling powers? Also, could these two overcome his insane durability?

#39 Posted by logy5000 (5524 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days: You said it, not me. And yes, if we aren't using ABC logic, Adam IS special.

And how many times has DS gotten his @ss handed to him by Superman & Orion?

#40 Posted by Outside_85 (7074 posts) - - Show Bio

@Alyssabird:It's really inconsistent what powers Darkseid has and how good they are. In the Great Darkness Saga he did mindcontrol something like 6 billion Daxamites, but in Superman/Batman he had to use Black Kryptonite to control Supergirl and in Final Crisis it was because of the Anti-Life equation he could control half of Earth's population. Same with his durability and reaction times, sometimes he super tough and sometimes he throws in the towel after Superman boxes him and gets blood in his eyes.

#41 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (10235 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

@Ancient_0f_Days: You said it, not me. And yes, if we aren't using ABC logic, Adam IS special.

And how many times has DS gotten his @ss handed to him by Superman & Orion?

Ok, so basically I proved that Darkseid can BFR and you cannot prove that Black Adam cannot be affected by the Omega beams BFR, you're saying he can't simply because .... no reason, just cus....you lost the right to continue that argument. Darkseid wins.

When the writer decided to let it happen, like how the writer let Black Adam get blitzed by Jay Garrick....

#42 Edited by Dextersinister (5069 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

@Ancient_0f_Days: You said it, not me. And yes, if we aren't using ABC logic, Adam IS special.

And how many times has DS gotten his @ss handed to him by Superman & Orion?

He is actually listed under the trope for both villain decay and forgotten power syndrome. It even makes mention that he could simply teleport Superman into a red sun instead of trying the blast option but villains will sometime's forgo making a simple but effective use of there powers for the sake of plot.

#43 Posted by logy5000 (5524 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days: I lost the right to continue an argument? lol I didn't know you were a living bill of rights.

Darkseid has lost on numerous occasions to Superman, why can't Black Adam win?

Omega Beams seem pretty avoidable; or at least Superman makes it look like it.

#44 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (10235 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

@Ancient_0f_Days: I lost the right to continue an argument? lol I didn't know you were a living bill of rights.

Darkseid has lost on numerous occasions to Superman, why can't Black Adam win?

Omega Beams seem pretty avoidable; or at least Superman makes it look like it.

Your whole argument is Superman when Adam isn't Superman at all .... maybe in the next Superman vs Darkseid thread you can bring up all the Superman you want...but Darkseid isn't being written to lose here due to the writer failing to understand what his powers and limitations are for the sake of the plot. Darkseid will act as he does normally and naturally, just bfr black adam and raven .... but it seems to me that you are only bringing up superman like hes in this thread because you don't know how to properly debate for black adam.

Try not to bring up characters that aren't in this thread and use them to say another character wins....that is the definition of ABC logic

#45 Posted by Outside_85 (7074 posts) - - Show Bio

Not to mention that while Darkseid might decide to BFR Adam, Raven could just BFR him as well.

#46 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (10235 posts) - - Show Bio

@Outside_85 said:

Not to mention that while Darkseid might decide to BFR Adam, Raven could just BFR him as well.

then Darkseid can just boomtube back........kinda means little when your opponent can come back to the battle field....

#47 Posted by logy5000 (5524 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days: I can't understand people like this. I don't see why you people have to tell others they can't debate just because their belief is opposed.

My point is that Superman has dodged OB so many times & BA is faster than Superman.

You don't need ABC logic to know BA can do it if Superman can.

#48 Posted by Outside_85 (7074 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days: And as far as I am aware, he needs his motherbox to actually do that.

#49 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (10235 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

@Ancient_0f_Days: I can't understand people like this. I don't see why you people have to tell others they can't debate just because their belief is opposed.

My point is that Superman has dodged OB so many times & BA is faster than Superman.

You don't need ABC logic to know BA can do it if Superman can.

Or maybe, you just can't provide any evidence unlike me who did provide evidence......but hey, whatever you say bro.

Superman blocked or out raced the OB and he's only outraced it on 1-2 occasions....yeah, sooo many times.... he blocked it with heat vision mostly...but yeah Black Adam has heatvision too right?

Oh yeah...you don't need ABC logic even though you just used it anyway, I guess you don't need proof or evidence either...yeah, cool story

#50 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (10235 posts) - - Show Bio

@Outside_85 said:

@Ancient_0f_Days: And as far as I am aware, he needs his motherbox to actually do that.

As far as im aware, its standard equipment for him, and his omega beams have made boomtubes of their own in the past

Like when his beams once teleported Highfather Izaya out of a dimension that Izaya trapped himself in because he didn't want to witness the horrible things that were happening to the universe at the time.