Dark Phoenix vs Juggernaut --- {revised}

Let's give Juggernaut a fighting chance. 
 
 

  
Juggernaut has several mental defensive mechanisms that make it extreme hard or nearly impossible to penetrate his mind.   
 

1. The most obvious is his helmet. The helmet is the 1st line of defense that deflects, absorb, and cushions mental frequency from reaching his head. The helmet is not full proof which is why he has other defensive mechanisms that can be triggered depending on his will and emotions.
2. One of the triggered defenses is the forcefield. the forcefield can alter the probability trajectory of mental wavelength and it's frequency. It can force mental bolts to bounce or reflect back at the person casting the attack right back onto the caster creating a backlash effect. Or, he can use the forcefield to absorb and configure the mental bolt for a different effect or convert it into a different type of energy.
3. If his forcefield doesn't kick on on time, his third defense is his will power. Cain's will power is infamously enormous, that places him at demigod levels. His will to survive saved him from the erasure of Oblivion's wrath and protected his mind from Beblam. Most importantly, Cain can place his will on top of others, absorbing any conscious that tries to reach his mind when he feels that they don't need to. Xavier once tried to find Cain from a distance far away, while Cain grabbed a hold of Xavier's astral mind and teleported Xavier's physical self to the location of Cain and forcefully threw the astral form of Xavier back into Xavier's physical self.
4. The Juggernuat's 4th wall of protection is his emotions most typically his Rage. Since Juggernaut's power is linked directly through the Physical and Destructive aspects of Cyttorak (12% of Infinite), Cain can muster up more power, defenses and abilities in an endless result. Juggernaut's rage saved him from the D'Spayre after D'Spayre used the power of 12% of Cyttorak's destructive aspect to turn Juggernaut into bone (D'Spayre used fear to siphon the powers of Juggernaut). That power was meant to destroy the entire Universe. (12% of infinite)
5. The 5th wall is Cain's mind. If all defenses are not triggered. The perpetrator can enter his mind, however, Cain's mind is a massive limbo within a labyrinth within a limbo. One has to be very careful venturing in Cain's mind and takes a well experienced puzzle solver to open door after door into his memories. But there are also doors that can lead a perpetrator into the Crimson Cosmos, hence would be trapped there for all eternity.
6. The 6th would be Cain's soul, which of course belongs to Cyttorak.
7. 7th Would be Cyttorak, but at this point the multi-abstract would not care less since it has all the Juggernaut's to maintain throughout the entire multiverse.

    
 

 
Pulls Xavier back into his physical body and transports the body to his location.

 
 And since the OP mentions ALL powers Unlocked. Spells, magic, probability are all Cain's to command.

 

   

         

   

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
  
 

@tron_bonne: I give you credit, you just won't let a locked thread be locked. Your argument relies on how Juggernaut won't be touched mentally, that list was all mental protection, but what is he going to do when she simply decides that there will be no remnants of his body left? She could obliterate not just his mind but mostly all of him.

Juggernaut wins. *raises flame shield*

If the last thread got locked, whats to stop this thread from receiving the same fate?

If the last thread got locked, whats to stop this thread receiving the same fate?

removing jugs helmet wont kill him he is powered by cyytorak. he will keep cpming back, so unless jean kills Cyytorak juggs aint dying! and Xorn killed jean as the phoenix. last i knew , jean cant regenerate . unless a writer makes it happen

@theicon said:

removing jugs helmet wont kill him he is powered by cyytorak. he will keep cpming back, so unless jean kills Cyytorak juggs aint dying! and Xorn killed jean as the phoenix. last i knew , jean cant regenerate . unless a writer makes it happen

No one said removing the helmet would kill him, its what she can do when his helmet is off.

@HBKTimHBK said:

@theicon said:

removing jugs helmet wont kill him he is powered by cyytorak. he will keep cpming back, so unless jean kills Cyytorak juggs aint dying! and Xorn killed jean as the phoenix. last i knew , jean cant regenerate . unless a writer makes it happen

No one said removing the helmet would kill him, its what she can do when his helmet is off.

What is she going to do to kill him after removing his helmet?

@LONGTIME said:

@HBKTimHBK said:

@theicon said:

removing jugs helmet wont kill him he is powered by cyytorak. he will keep cpming back, so unless jean kills Cyytorak juggs aint dying! and Xorn killed jean as the phoenix. last i knew , jean cant regenerate . unless a writer makes it happen

No one said removing the helmet would kill him, its what she can do when his helmet is off.

What is she going to do to kill him do after removing his helmet?

As Dark Phoenix she is possibly the most powerful telepath in the Marvel Universe, she can do plenty with his helmet off.

@HBKTimHBK said:

@LONGTIME said:

@HBKTimHBK said:

@theicon said:

removing jugs helmet wont kill him he is powered by cyytorak. he will keep cpming back, so unless jean kills Cyytorak juggs aint dying! and Xorn killed jean as the phoenix. last i knew , jean cant regenerate . unless a writer makes it happen

No one said removing the helmet would kill him, its what she can do when his helmet is off.

What is she going to do to kill him do after removing his helmet?

As Dark Phoenix she is possibly the most powerful telepath in the Marvel Universe, she can do plenty with his helmet off.

Like what? What is she going to do that will kill him? Be specific.

@LONGTIME said:

@HBKTimHBK said:

@LONGTIME said:

@HBKTimHBK said:

@theicon said:

removing jugs helmet wont kill him he is powered by cyytorak. he will keep cpming back, so unless jean kills Cyytorak juggs aint dying! and Xorn killed jean as the phoenix. last i knew , jean cant regenerate . unless a writer makes it happen

No one said removing the helmet would kill him, its what she can do when his helmet is off.

What is she going to do to kill him do after removing his helmet?

As Dark Phoenix she is possibly the most powerful telepath in the Marvel Universe, she can do plenty with his helmet off.

Like what? What is she going to do that will kill him? Be specific.

She could really just destroy every molecule of his body, btw what is he going to do to kill her? Better question, what is he going to do to get close to her if she doesn't want him to?

@HBKTimHBK: No she couldn't he's impervious to physical harm. And even when he is hurt physically he regenerates instantly. I'm not arguing that Juggernaut would win, this thread is pointless because they can't kill each other.

@LONGTIME said:

@HBKTimHBK: No she couldn't he's impervious to physical harm. And even when he is hurt physically he regenerates instantly. I'm not arguing that Juggernaut would win, this thread is pointless because they can't kill each other.

If the Gem is on Earth, or well even if it's not, and everywhere I've read the gem itself doesn't seem to be invincible, what is stopping Jean from destroying the Gem as well?

@HBKTimHBK: force field.

@chucknorrisreturned said:

@HBKTimHBK: force field.

I'm assuming your talking about Juggernaut's force field, that may help, but it won't hold forever.

@HBKTimHBK:No the Chuck Norris earring's force field juggernaut carries around

@chucknorrisreturned said:

@HBKTimHBK:No the Chuck Norris earring's force field juggernaut carries around

Oh Juggernaut in earrings...wouldn't that be a sight to see.

So War Hulk was making an idle threat?

This is crazy, all of his protections are magic and due to enchantment, Jean Grey without the Phoenix can already break through the enchantment that protects his mind, the Dark Phoenix can and will obliterate him.  He is not beyond death or being erased from existence.   Eternity erased him from existence rather easily, when he sent him to the outer void, that is the realm of oblivion, the place you go when you are erased.  He is not impervious to physical harm, when he was banished time was moving at an accelerated rate in that the dimension causing him to age rapidly unless he felt hatred all the time, he felt fear of being defeated when his helmet was removed and he began to age rapidly again and wanted to die, he was returned to the outer void to speed up the aging process so that he could die, but the realm kicked him out it thought of him as a bacteria because of his comings and goings (none of which he did under his own power).  Eternity erased him, some mystical convergence allowed him to come back and then he was erased again and finally evicted from the outer void.  How would he age at all if he is impervious to physical harm and cannot be killed, when the aging process was killing him?

@HBKTimHBK: juggs will still regenerate as will his helmet, until some one destroys Cyytorak, juggs aint dying, and if juggs manages to grip Jean, Snap!

@theicon said:

@HBKTimHBK: juggs will still regenerate as will his helmet, until some one destroys Cyytorak, juggs aint dying, and if juggs manages to grip Jean, Snap!

I didn't say destroyed helmet, I say the helmet off. And if Juggernaut gets his hands on Jean, then she has a death wish. But here she doesn't have a death wish, she is just trying to kill Juggernaut, he is going no where near her.

Makes you wonder how do you stop Juggernaut?

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

Makes you wonder how do you stop Juggernaut?

You send someone powerful enough to stop him.

even if he gets his hands on her what then?  Her body is completely invulnerable unless she makes it otherwise, sitting in the middle of an entire star system being destroyed is a display of her durabilsfdity.  She can completely scatter his atoms whether Cyttorak is around or not, all this nonsense about Cyttrak being above this and beyond that is crazy, and always neglects to mention his origins, he was a demon from Earth younger than the Elder gods and banished from Earth to a pocket dimension by humans, he's not off in his realm because he is it and it is him or even by choice, he is there because he was banished there, which means he's not allowed to leave at least not to come back to the Earth dimension.   Many if not all magical realms will link with the dominant lifeform (supreme sorcerer) the Crimson Cosmos already existed before he got there just like Limbo and other pocket dimensions that respond to the rulers will as reality.  Further more if he originated on Earth that means he is a product of the same forces of creations that created everything else and would in no way be beyond the judgement of the Phoenix, nor would his avatar. 

@venomoushatred1001 said:

If the last thread got locked, whats to stop this thread receiving the same fate?

Well, the last thread didn't have any real reasoning. At least this one has. Tron Bone did bring up Oblivion too. Is Dark Phoenix > Oblivion?