Dark Knight Returns Batman (in armor) runs marvel gauntlet

Being older than John Byrne Superman doesn't mean anything - Kingdom Come Superman was confirmed to have the John Byrne origin also and he made Post-Crisis Superman look weak. He tanked a Nuke and recovered but that was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Captain America.

It's the same. Bruce in the animated film still got hurt and smacked around, he landed about as many punches as the comic version did. In the movie, Superman still held back and as the comic showed, both took advantage of that. The road was not really that different.

My point is that we don't know the power level of this Superman due to an abundance of factors. He COULD be weaker, he COULD be stronger, we just don't know. We can't judge the properties of the suit and use them as feats in other battles because we don't know the power level of the opponent he was fighting.

Since Dark Knight Returns was written in 1986 and Kingdom Come was 1996 I'm pretty sure Frank Miller wasn't thinking of the Kingdom Come Superman when he wrote this version though.

Seriously, in the comic Bruce never swings a wrecking ball, never covers his fists with steam rollers, never gets hammered through a building, he doesnt drop Superman with his initial sonic assault, his electricity doesnt make Supes collapse, etc etc. That fight had the exact scenes from the comic, plus another 5 minutes of fighting.

@cyberzombie_hatchetman: Superman can't be weaker than Captain America, that's pretty ridiculous, by pure virture we already know he is leagues above Captain America, a low-level superhuman.

Superman punched him more than he punched Bruce in the comic. And the armor tanked it perfectly. Also there was far more property damage and battle move itself from Crime Alley unlike the comic. Also Batman lifted a wrecking ball and beat Superman with it. There are many differences on the road.

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Batman was more elusive in the movie, he wasn't stronger and Batman still tanked the punches in the comic, otherwise he would have been KO'd from Superman's initial punches. He wasn't - he hardly ''beat'' Superman with it, he smacked it into Superman but the damage was superficial.

@black_arrow: @deaditegonzo: @cyberzombie_hatchetman: Also, just remembered - the COMIC version of DKR Superman briefly went toe-to-toe with RED SON Superman in Countdown: Arena, which is much better than anything Movie DKR Superman did.

Comic DKR Superman >>>>>>>>>> Movie DKR Superman.

Eh, that doesnt really prove anything about Batman and his armor. In fact, it hardly proves anything about Superman.

This much weaker form of Superman, while in a weakened state due to a nuclear warhead, was capable of breaking Bruce's armor and ribs by merely palming him in the chest. He snapped his wrist by just grabbing it. Bruce's armor, in the comic, didnt put up much of a fight at all against a Superman who via the dialogue and narration we know wasnt even trying.

The only punch that he tanked in the comics broke three ribs, then he dodge the rest of the punches (Batman was more elusive in the comic). In the movie he can tanked some of Superman punches without any major damage like the three ribs that got broke from the first punch that actually hit Bruce in the comic. Also the fight was far longer than in the comic book. the road was different because Batman was much more durable in the film than in the comic.

Why not?

If we are comparing the two versions, then the we should also look at comic DKR Superman - he was strong enough to knock back and briefly go toe-to-toe with Red Son Superman, he is clearly FAR stronger than the movie DKR Superman unless something better has been shown from the movie DKR Superman, it hasn't.

Essentially, movie DKR Superman was weaker, that's why Bruce did better. They operate at different base levels.

@black_arrow: You should read my second reply, Batman wasn't more durable, the Superman was simply more powerful in the comic. He took shots from a weaker Superman in the movie, essentially. Everything else in the two part film was the same. Also, while he had ribs broken I don't see the problem, he's had bones broken in the comic before and fought just fine, if the rib breaking affected him so badly, he wouldn't have been capable of continiuing.

@darkbeam: good match hmmm I don't see him getting passed 5 I could be wrong but if so 6 stops him

@frozen: Im going to use some imaginary numbers to quantify my point:

Lets say Comic Book Supes is a "100" at his peak, and the movie version is an "80". We dont know how they compare for a fact, im talking purely hypothetical here.

In the comic, Supes doesnt put any effort into fighting Bruce, and still maims him. So lets say comic Supes was operating at a "20". So even if the movie version is weaker at their peaks, he was still obviously trying much harder to win.

Put simply: My point is that it doesnt really matter what the comic versions theoretical peak is (maybe its close to Red Son Superman's power), what does matter is that he basically stomped Batman, and broke his bones, without even trying. Im personally of the opinion that Supes, even Dark Knight Supes, who is the weakest Superman ive ever seen, could have ended that fight with one punch. And that being the case, I believe fully that Spidey, who can hit with the force of being hit by a truck, could pummel Bats if he actually tried.

@deaditegonzo: Here's the thing. He tried harder in the movie than he did the comic, that subsantiates my point that the comic version of Superman was indeed more powerful, which is why he didn't try as hard, whereas the movie version had trouble with Batman and struggled to keep up - however, despite being more powerful he still fell prey to Batman exploiting that as a weakness, and ultimately lost in both the comic and film.

Stops at 2, or 3 if he's lucky.

But during the fight with Batman Comic DKR Superman and Movie DKR Superman were almost equals, You have to remember that both of them couldn't dodge the missiles (a test of strength post nuke), That the Batman of both the film and the comic sent. Maybe Bruce use Faster missiles in the comics than in the movie but It doesn't seem likely. In the movie fight It took Superman way longer to break the ribs while in the comic in only took one punch. This means that movie armor>>>>comic armor.

100% Stops at 5 maximum. Returns Superman is vastly inferior to pre-52/New 52 and had been hit and nearly killed by a nuke just before the fight in Returns. Oh, and he was holding back the ENTIRE TIME, and STILL almost killed Bruce while feeling horrible about it.

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Wow just wow,the CV battle forums just hit a new level of low,this is sad between this and the Punisher threads people REALLY want Batman to lose.

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Despite Bruce's relative fragility in this incarnation, he should pretty easily take the first five combatants. I don't see him beating Hulk. I think Hulk would be stronger than this Superman (correct me if I'm wrong), and Batman doesn't have a glaring weakness to exploit like Superman's Kryptonite. Unless the sonics or electrocution can down Hulk, he can't win.

I don't see him even beating Cap. Batman in the Dark knight returns got wrecked by bane and I see Cap being physically stronger than him and more durable.

What I dont get is why people say he can't clear round 1. This is batman with superpowers pretty much. If cap throws his shield I dont see why batman cant catch it or simply smack it down.

Deadpool I dont think can harm him. Wolverine is hard but not unbeatable and his strength will make this doable. Spiderman can be beaten by the combination of both strength and skill. Stops at storm.

I believe you are thinking of The Dark Knight Rises, and I agree with you that Cap would defeat that Batman, but this is The Dark Knight Returns, and Batman is in a suit that he could stand up to Superman in.

@crimson_bat: Oh... thanks haha. On that note probably batman will do a lot better here.

All good! I agree

A much much much weaker Superman that was holding back and not even trying...

Stops at Spidey.

This is absurd.

-Round 1: Batman stomps.

-Round 2: Batman stomps.

-Round 3: This is where Bruce actually begins to notice his enemy. If not careful, Wolverine could land a couple of key slashes. However, thanks to the sonic blaster (and prior knowledge in the OP) Batman can easily incapacitate Logan.

-Round 4: This one is tricky. Although Spider-Man is far below even TDKR Superman, he seems agile enough to dodge Batman's attacks (plus he has that annoyingly convenient "spider sense"). Eventually, I'm certain Batman can land a hit which will prove devastating for the wall crawler.

-Round 5: Honestly, I'm not sure on this one. It probably depends on "weather" (get it, :-P) Batman can close the gap in time.

-Round 6: STOPS HERE. I dare say Hulk is strong enough to breach the Bat armor. Furthermore, he lacks Superman's obvious exploitable weakness.

-Round 7: Same as round 6, but worse.

-Round 8: Assuming this is worthy Thor, same as rounds 6 and 7, but worse.

Wolverine can be incapacitated, so i say he stops at 5.

Yes, he was much weaker than normal, but he's still light years ahead of Spiderman. Supes destroys a fleet of battleships during that movie. Unless Spiderman has a resistance to sonics I don't know about, I don't see him winning.

I'd say the max is 5. There's no way he's getting past Storm. Couldn't she fry him?

Stops at 2.

The first three lose.

Can't really fight when you're holding your sides from laughter.

Spider-Man puts an end to this nonsense and tosses Bruce into Gotham bay and watches that brick sink.

Stops at Spiderman. The only reason Superman didn't throw Batman halfway around the world is because Frank Miller hated him

@ninjawarrior268: Just outta curiosity, how do you think Spidey will breach Bruce's armor?

I did figure it would actually be a real fight at that point (mainly because Peter would be really hard to tag), but I don't see how Spider-Man could manage to legitimately harm Bats.

He ain't gettin' past Hulk, I'll tell you that.

@venomoustaco: Agree completely

@crimson_bat:

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Not really PIS. Superman didn't want to kill Batman and Batman was just trying to convince Superman that he died. The armor was really powerful, not PIS.

Batman would win against Spiderman, Wolverine, Captain America, and Deadpoolio but Storm would win and then after that there's no hope. It's strong, strong enough to beat up the first four but Storm and the rest are on a whole 'notha level. It can lift large steel cylinders and easily bend it like paper, however, storm could use a tsunami or a lightning storm and that'd be about it.