@cadencev2:
I wasn't saying that he WAS Lester, I was explaining that they had similar accuracy in terms of using projectiles, they've both got different styles and like Cadence said Hawkeye has his Super Human Sight due to cybernetic implants IIRC.
So just to clear it up, I was only comparing their accuracy, not comparing both of them and calling them the same >.<
Naturally! To say that they're the same character is absurd, and I never even implied that you had done so. Which doesn't mean I find your actual point to be a lot more compelling.
The two characters are not the same, but they both are focused around the same facet of their character: Accuracy with projectiles. And both of them have decent feats, good feats, and downright unreasonable feats, to the point that I am more than willing to call them equals in terms of accuracy. Both are absolute top tier marksmen with any weapon, and were I to differentiate between their skill levels, it would only be due to personal bias. So I am more than happy to admit that Ultimate Hawkeye has Bullseye-level accuracy.
And my point is, Bullseye-level accuracy means basically squat against Daredevil, who cut his teeth dancing around projectiles thrown with exactly Bullseye-level accuracy by the man himself. Daredevil is more than capable of rocking Lester's world, accuracy or not. My point is, having Bullseye-level accuracy alone does not give you the win against Daredevil, in fact it's exactly the opposite. Daredevil has proved, time and again, that he is better than someone with that level of accuracy. That accuracy will have to be backed up by something else, and evidently something more substantial than impressive durability and pretty solid h2h. Since Clint is inferior in close combat, he'll need to be substantially better at something else in order to have a shot at taking even a couple of rounds away from Murdock.
Luckily, Clint is not without advantages, as was so exclamatorily elucidated upon by Cadence. He has, according to our self-professed purveyor of all knowledge Ultimate, three. Superhuman eyesight, handguns, and superhuman speed. Let's break these down a bit, shall we?
#1: Superhuman Eyesight
An intuitive and obviously useful power for a ranged character, this has allowed Hawkeye to accomplish, apparently, three things:
1) Seen thru the Nuclear Blast that blinded everyone else in the City arcs.
Daredevil carries no explosives, and there are no explosives on the battlefield. The only explosions that Hawkeye might be seeing through are ones created by his trick arrows, but he doesn't even have those here. So there is no possibility of an explosion for Hawkeye to see her. A decent feat, I suppose, but not relevant here. For this scenario, this feat shows no advantage over Bullseye.
2) Sees long distance mutiple times in Comics.
Without bothering to try any serious form of measurement, I would estimate this battlefield is somewhere around 200 feet long. Not a long distance, and certainly one that Bullseye could see across. For this scenario, this feat shows no advantage over Bullseye.
3) Sees through one way glass with no probs.
This map is almost entirely devoid of glass, much less the thick one-way stuff. For this scenario, this feat shows no advantage over Bullseye.
So superhuman sight really seems to be of no relevance in this battle. To be fair, it may help him a bit in picking out Daredevil as he moves from cover to cover, but Cadence gave no indication of any feats that would indicate him actually being more adept than normal at such an activity.
#2: Handguns
Hawkeye uses guns, and Bullseye usually doesn't, at least against Daredevil. Seems like a big deal, no?
The issue I have with making this a big deal is that comics in general have never made this a big deal. For a perfect example, look at Red Hood and the Outlaws. Red Hood is an expert with pistols, Arsenal is an expert with a bow. Who's more effective at range? Usually Harper, despite his supposedly inferior weapon. And as for Ultimate Hawkeye himself, his feats with guns are no more impressive than those he has with a bow. I would venture to say they're even less so, to be honest. Hawkeye is on the Avengers, not Punisher. Green Arrow has made a career out of beating gun-toting foes with his bow. Shado, Merlyn, Connor Hawke, even Bullseye and Ultimate Hawkeye have shown that -- in the comic book world we're debating about -- it is just as, if not more, effective to use a bow as it is to use a gun.
And Daredevil himself has spent his career toying with bullets. In his origin miniseries, the very first time he ever fights crime, he deflects a bullet, from close range, straight back into the shooter's head. He's been dancing around and deflecting bullets of all shapes, sizes, and rates of fire for his entire career. Bullets are not a gamechanger for Daredevil any more than they are for Hawkeye. Maybe you disagree, but I don't see handguns as a big deal here.
#3: Superhuman Speed
This is the big one, and it is genuinely a significant advantage in almost every scenario. He shoots arrows and bullets very quickly, and he moves pretty darn quick as well. Bullseye is extremely agile himself, and has bullet-timer reflexes. He's also taken out a room full of gun-wielding soldiers using as assault rifle. Rate of fire with guns isn't something much affected by the user. So, if Hawkeye is using his handguns, his rate of fire advantage seemingly isn't that significant. His agility and mobility is also not something I would put above Bulseye's, who has gone on rooftop chases with Daredevil and Gambit, as well as being a bullet dodger.
So we're down to addressing the rate of fire with the bow and arrow.This, to me, is his major advantage over Bullseye, whereas Bullseye's major edge is richochets. (I can't think of any Ult Clint bounce shots, at least off the top of my head.) But is Rate of Fire enough to get the edge over Daredevil? Personally, I'm inclined to think not. He's dodged multiple assailants with guns many times, he's dodged machine gun fire, he's dodged Bullseye when Lester was using multiple projectiles at a time, even. With as much cover as he's got here, and with radar sense to show him the trajectory of each projectile before it gets there, and with the billy clubs to swat away anything that gets too close for comfort, I don't really see Daredevil having trouble taking this to close combat a large majority of the time. And in h2h, Clint gets steamrolled. Sure, he can spam his handguns up close like he's done in the past, but Daredevil can disarm him or even KO him with a thrown or ricocheted billy club. Clint has no reason to suspect a bounce shot, and that could be a reasonably easy way to win for Daredevil.
Do I believe that Ultimate Hawkeye will get swept here? Of course not. I see him taking 2-4 of 10, probably hovering mostly in the 2.5 to 3 range. I think that with Daredevil's radar sense to track projectiles and map routes through cover, combined with the amount of cover he has, will give Matt a good chance of navigating to Clint's position. And with DD's experience fighting a top-tier marksman, I think he has what it takes to dodge the shots that Hawkeye is able to take at him. Not a bad fight, by any means, but I don't think Clint's advantages over Lester are significant enough to grant him a majority here.
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