Daredevil vs Nightwing and Batgirl

• Pre-Flashpoint and New 52 feats for team
• In Character
• Standard Gear
• Takes place on Bludhaven rooftops
• Start 3 roofs away

Who wins?

Daredevil. He's arguably more agile than Dick and is the better fighter, don't see him having much problem with Bat-Girl either.

daredevil wins 7/10

Matt.

I am actually going to side with team 2.

I don't really see Murdock one-shotting anybody here, and Nightwing knows Bludhaven.

Plus the team has teamwork and past experience together.

btw Daredevil is better than Dick in a lot of aspects, agility is NOT one of them.

Daredevil 6-7/10

The team wins barely...

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Nightwing isn't that far under Daredevil, he would be a fair match 1v1. Team takes it.

Which batgirl is this?

BTW

Barbara?

Nightwing would give Daredevil a great challenge but I am not familiar with Barbara really...

So my opinion on Daredevil winning 7/10 times might be flawed if Barbara is more than what I expected her to be..

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Daredevil for the majority

@jonez120: daredevil definatly has better agility. His powers and training allow complete control over his body. His acrobatic feats are barely under spidey levels. ( minus the super strength jumps) even then daredevil can keep up with Spider-Man.

Team.

@childoftheatom: Richard is a better acrobat, in my opinion.

I would heavily disagree to be honest. The superhuman balance Matt gets from his accident definitely shifts things in his favor IMO. What makes you say Nightwing is more acrobatic?

@wolverine08: Well he was a professional acrobat in the circus, I'd actually par them to be frank. You can't really tell who's better, since scans are depicted in a similar manner.

@monsterstomp: True, true.

agility is about more than just flexibility and acrobatics. In that respect they are even ( Dick and Matt). It's also about reaction. Matt's senses give him a fare greater depth perception and earlier warning to threats. His ability to hear breathing, heart rate and even muscle movement means he has far greater warning of attack and therefor greater agility ( no other way you can look at it)

Matt takes the majority ( this is assuming it Babs based on image if Cass goes the other way)

@beatboks1: Does his senses actually help him with acrobatics? Because that kind of takes the skill away from him. Dick is A grade himself, without the need for radar sense as such.

@monsterstomp: I thought my response was pretty clear. I'm not talking about acrobatics I'm talking about agility of which acrobatics is only a small part of. The fact that Matt can be aware of a threat well before Dick is means he can react or counter before Dick is even aware to. Agility encompasses reaction, flexibility, and more. Matt can actually be 100% aware of 360 degrees around him at once. He can be aware of things hidden from Dicks vision. This means his move my in the area is greater

@beatboks1: Seems like a viable theory.

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@digitalshooter9: that's Babs in the picture and she's currently under the cowl, so I assume she's who we're using here.

She's trained under batman, black canary and a few other high tier DC martial artists, though not to the capacity that dick has.

She's extremely intelligent with an eidetic memory, which is basically total recall. She's also quite resilient, having recovered from a severed spine and years spent wheelchair bound.

As for the battle I'd say team takes it, dick is arguably the most agile non-meta in the DCU, along with being an exceptional martial artist who approaches Matt's level. That, along with Barbara's aid and their combined gadgets gives them the edge IMO.

Team. Dick isn't that far behind Matt. He's really close and can give him a good fight by himself. Barbara being there gives the team the edge they need though

Daredevil's ability to deflect gunfire

Dodge Gunfire at point blank range

And successfully calculate jumps through machinegun fire

Puts his Agility and Acrobatics well above Nightwings

In previous encounters with spiderman,,who with out a doubt is far better than dick when it comes to agility,,he even remarked how daredevil easily keeps up with him,,even going so far as to say he's embarrassed that daredevil has taken him to task. He could easily one shot Barbara since he out classes her by far,,he has mastered bone breaking and pressure points,,he's one shotted much tougher and skilled opponents like Hyde and wolverine Hyde being the tough example and wolverine being the skilled,,Hyde isn't a better fighter than dick or anything just to be clear. I'd give this fight to Matt 7/10 maybe even 8,,, I don't see Barbara being much of a challenge to daredevil

agreed. Daredevil wins.

nightwing and batgirl win but it would be a great fight

team wins

Team. Nightwing has pretty much the same physicals as daredevil and can give him hell alone. Barbara can use her gadgets to be a nice distraction for dick to take him down. Matt can't beat both of them at once.

Does anyone have feats for Barbara?

I give it to the team. Dick isn't completely outclassed by Daredevil. I'd put Dare Devil slightly below Cap or Batman in a random encounter and dick takes up the same space pretty much. Barbara gives them the very healthy majority imo. If DD goes to try and one-shot Babs as some people seem to imply he leaves himself open to Nightwing in a sense. Radar Sense or no, knowing something is coming and stopping it are two different things and I don't think Dick is so far behind that Dare Devil can afford to just ignore him for a couple of seconds. He could probably ignore babs for a couple of second sin Mellee so focusing on Dick seems a bit more viable, but then Babs is given almost free reign to provide gadget support and distractions as needed. Teamwork is the winning factor with Dick being the MVP by far.

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She somehow managed to hold-off a mind-controled Bruce Wayne (PIS)...she stallemated Nightwing, but they both seemed to be holding back...she gave a big beating to Huntress (Helena Wayne) but Huntress wasn't even trying IMO...she performed aim-dodging at least once.

Anyway, Nightwing could give DD a good run for his money alone...the team should be able to take it IMO.

Murdock wins.

Please, Murdock beat Electro, Stilt Man, Matador, Gladiator and Leapfrog at the same time. He's been in the game to long for 2 sidekicks to give him trouble.

a trip to the ER.

@bat_girl_cc: Thanks for the info.

With that in mind I don't think Batgirl is enough to give the team to win.

Matt. Thank god that is not Cassie.

Not sure if it helps for you to change your mind, but Babs also beat up street-mooks, consistently :P even tho, sometimes she found herself in trouble, and even admitted that she had luck...lol.

Anyway, the issue here is Nightwing probably losing a small majority to D.D in a 1-on-1 confrontation...but this is 2-on-1, and if anything, Babs, could at least serve as a distraction.

Yeah, that would be ridiculous...but insted, it could be a Captain America and Daredevil vs Cassandra Cain and Nightwing...now, THAT would be a good 2-on-2 team fight...and i would even vote on team 1.

@bat_girl_cc: Yeah, that would be a good battle.

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Daredevil just because I just rewatched the movie

Nightwing is a good match for Daredevil solo, with DD's radar sense being the only thing that really separates them (i.e. on almost everything else, you could argue for them either way). With Batgirl though, the team will take this. Nightwing consistently shows he's very capable at reading people, and Babs is super-intelligent, so there's a good chance one of them might think to try sonics if they recognise how good DD's reflexes are. Even if they don't, they have good teamwork, and would still likely pull off at least an even number of wins.