I'm going with Daredevil.Karnak can detect stress points but so can Daredevil and DD's senses are a step above any awareness abilities Karnak has.
daredevil vs karnak
I dont think DD's ability to detect stress points is the same as Karnak's. I'd have to see evidence of that. I also think Karnak is a far better fighter. DD has trouble reading Lady Bullseye's movements simply because she remains calm. I'm pretty sure Karnak remains calm under pressure as well.
I dont think DD's ability to detect stress points is the same as Karnak's. I'd have to see evidence of ... [more]
I think Karnak could pull a win, Karnak has shown some great speed and agility and easliy on par if not better than Daredevil, but what would really play a factor is if Karnak can sense weakness in Daredevil from the getgo or while fighting because i don't know what fighting skills Karnak has but he would need to figure out Daredevil's hearing and radar sense's as weaknesses and then capitalize. But it all depends if he finds his weaknesses
no he will show a scan of finding the weak point in a diamond, either way it will proof that DD can do it.
I dont think DD's ability to detect stress points is the same as Karnak's. I'd have to see evidence of ... [more]
Gambler said: I dont think DD's ability to detect stress points is the same as Karnak's. I'd have to see ... [more]
Gambler said: I dont think DD's ability to detect stress points is the same as Karnak's. I'd have to see ... [more]
2. I'll get some scans
3. Cool :)
Vance Astro said: Gambler said: I dont think DD's ability to detect stress points is the same as Karnak's. I'd ... [more]
vs Absorbing Man in diamond form, if the scan don't get here first I'll give you issue # as soon as I find it.
As for the battle, I've seen Karnak but not enough to rate his fighting ability. Finding weak points and fighting are totally different feats.
i like DD more so i pick him plus his billy clubs give him reach advantage and allows him to strike harder and can really see DD using them for pressure point attacks like vance has said DD uses them a "lot" and i dont see karnak being able to resist them strikes.
Static Shock said: Gambler said: I dont think DD's ability to detect stress points is the same as Karnak's. I'd ... [more]
Heres the issue of DD vs Absorbing Man....
Oh, and DD for the win as he's gone against MA's before and came out on top, and I don't think Karnaks ability to sense weak points will be a factor.
Gambler said: Vance Astro said: Gambler said: I dont think DD's ability to detect stress points is the same as ... [more]
There are several more scans but I don't feel I need em. If he's fast enough to hit Vision while the Vision is intangible then he's easily fast enough to hit DD. Since he can instantly spot the weakness in any object DD's ears would be his first target. But its all a moot point seeing as how one shot would realistically kill Daredevil.
fast enough to hit the Vision while hes intangibleKarnak's ability is described as Devastating. So even if DD has a ... [more]
Gambler said: fast enough to hit the Vision while hes intangibleKarnak's ability is described as Devastating. So even if DD ... [more]
(DD's also been hit by characters on or below Karnk's speed)
two strikes to the temple with his billy clubs should ko karnak just as likely as karnak can ko him with one hit.
Hahaha dodging punches from Blob is not the same as dodging punches from Karnak. Thats like me saying, "If he can speed blitz several Kree warriors he could speed blitz DD"
Vance Astro said: Gambler said: fast enough to hit the Vision while hes intangibleKarnak's ability is described as Devastating. So ... [more]
Gambler said: Vance Astro said: Gambler said: fast enough to hit the Vision while hes intangibleKarnak's ability is described as ... [more]
Hahaha dodging punches from Blob is not the same as dodging punches from Karnak. Thats like me saying, "If he ... [more]
Hahaha dodging punches from Blob is not the same as dodging punches from Karnak. Thats like me saying, "If he ... [more]
Gambler said: Hahaha dodging punches from Blob is not the same as dodging punches from Karnak. Thats like me saying, ... [more]
Vance Astro said: Gambler said: Vance Astro said: Gambler said: fast enough to hit the Vision while hes intangibleKarnak's ability ... [more]
@Vance Astro said:
"Gambler said:1.The Lady Bullseye thing is bad writing.Being calm doesn't keep DD from seeing you.Even if your heart stops he can still tell someone is present.I dont think DD's ability to detect stress points is the same as Karnak's. I'd have to see evidence of ... [more]2.I don't believe Karnak is a better fighter..I'd have to see evidence of that.3.I'll look through my "Daredevil folder" and bring you back some scans of his stress point detection."
DD's hearing enables him to hear his oppoenents heartbeat.
Usually when someone is going to attack or about to luanch a move, their heartbeat might increase due to the body's involuntary reaction. DD hears this and it gives him a fraction of a second head start.
As Karnak has voluntary control over most of his body's autonomic functions: breathing, heartbeat, bleeding, reaction to pain, rate of healing, etc, he can alunch an attack without giving away this early warning.
Karnak is stronger (1 tonne) and his reaction time, endurance, and speed are all slightly greater than the human race's most perfect physical specimen, Captain America.
The striking atreas of his body have all been hardened and his hands in particular, which have been shown to be capable of shattering wood, cinderblock, and even mild steel.
Comine this with his weakness senses and martial skills and he can win.
Vance Astro said: Gambler said: Hahaha dodging punches from Blob is not the same as dodging punches from Karnak. Thats ... [more]
Gambler said: Vance Astro said: Gambler said: Hahaha dodging punches from Blob is not the same as dodging punches from ... [more]
@ thecreator: Good looking out. Not much more to say after that :)
Vance Astro said: Gambler said: Vance Astro said: Gambler said: Hahaha dodging punches from Blob is not the same as ... [more]
You didn't have to say anything at all. lol
if DD can throw down and beat spidey, i dont see why he shouldnt be able to handle karnak who is much slower then what DD has handled against spidey.
Character A beat Character B is never a good strategy for debate. Spiderman beat Firelord so by your account he should have never lost to Daredevil to begin with. Who beat who in comics usually has seldom to do with who's the better, or more skilled fighter. Dont get me wrong, you can use certain cases to strengthen your point. But it shouldn't be your whole case.
Character A beat Character B is never a good strategy for debate. Spiderman beat Firelord so by your account he ... [more]
@Vance Astro said: " Gambler said: I dont think DD's ability to detect stress points is the same as Karnak's. ... [more]
Character A beat Character B is never a good strategy for debate. Spiderman beat Firelord so by your account he ... [more]
the creator said: @Vance Astro said: " Gambler said: I dont think DD's ability to detect stress points is the ... [more]
Gambler said: Character A beat Character B is never a good strategy for debate. Spiderman beat Firelord so by your ... [more]
Yeah but DD handing spiderman his ass is not something super impressive. Lets remember Spidermans experiance is not overly high (depending on who and what Spidermans you have DD up against) Karnak has actaually a high level experiance. I actaully think that you could use DD fighting Spiderman for the speed arugment and fighting someone with superior strength but nothing more.
Vance Astro said: Gambler said: Character A beat Character B is never a good strategy for debate. Spiderman beat Firelord ... [more]
Gambler said: Character A beat Character B is never a good strategy for debate. Spiderman beat Firelord so by your ... [more]
Gambler said: Character A beat Character B is never a good strategy for debate. Spiderman beat Firelord so by your ... [more]
the creator said: @Vance Astro said: " Gambler said: I dont think DD's ability to detect stress points is the ... [more]
Final Arrow said: Vance Astro said: Gambler said: Character A beat Character B is never a good strategy for debate. ... [more]
Experience is a factor and you cant say it is not. Experiance is one of DD biggest assest and one of Spidermans weakest. if you think spiderman had the same level of experiance in fighting and combat as Matt has had would you say it would be easier to beat him? You need to factor this in. It could also strength your argument against Karnak.
Vance Astro said: Final Arrow said: Vance Astro said: Gambler said: Character A beat Character B is never a good ... [more]
LordCosmicKing said: Gambler said: Character A beat Character B is never a good strategy for debate. Spiderman beat Firelord so ... [more]
Final Arrow said: Vance Astro said: Final Arrow said: Vance Astro said: Gambler said: Character A beat Character B is ... [more]
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