DareDevil vs Captain America

And nothing shown above is above Cap's level. Going back to what I said (and this is putting dodging/deflecting out right avoiding danger) they are too close to call. However if I did have to make a decision based off of feats. Then I would say Cap.  

This account is not. However saying that the person behind this account is. But if course that is going off the basis that, that is my name. Which in all honestly it is not. Say the real technical answer would be no. But of course I could be saying all of this because I am completely bored out of my mind and have not ate yet. Which means I'm trying to procrastinate to keep from working on one of my projects that I should be doing instead.  
 

"Now you're just trying to make me jealous.  "

"I'm pretty bored as well. =P  "

the bullet timing is really irrelevant but i really see Cap being the superior in overall combat speed and reflex due to his constant pis moments..
 
  http://i43.tinypic.com/2n24bch.jpg
 This is how i really see cap treating DD and his skills.
DD explains how he dodges bullets all being bullet timing  
 http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/29885/884062-daredevil3nh9_super.jpg
 http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/29885/884063-daredevil4yb8_super.jpg
 

 

  I'm well passed that point. That and someone kneed me in the back tonight so it hurts like a.. well fill in the blank. lol 
 

" the bullet timing is really irrelevant but i really see Cap being the superior in overall combat speed and reflex due to his constant pis moments..
 
  http://i43.tinypic.com/2n24bch.jpg
 This is how i really see cap treating DD and his skills.
DD explains how he dodges bullets all being bullet timing  
 http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/29885/884062-daredevil3nh9_super.jpg
 http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/29885/884063-daredevil4yb8_super.jpg    "

Cap if the shield is available

" the bullet timing is really irrelevant but i really see Cap being the superior in overall combat speed and reflex due to his constant pis moments..
 
  http://i43.tinypic.com/2n24bch.jpg
 This is how i really see cap treating DD and his skills.
DD explains how he dodges bullets all being bullet timing  
 http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/29885/884062-daredevil3nh9_super.jpg
 http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/29885/884063-daredevil4yb8_super.jpg    "

. However if I did have to make a decision based off of feats. Then I would say Cap.

" @Goldfinch said:

" @spidey 15 said:

" @Goldfinch:  
It's not fanboyism to say that cap or DD wins. If you have an opinion, it is based on what you have seen from either character. And Steve Rogers have accomplished better skill feats and better physical feats.  
 
And the scans that you have posted are not from contest of champions. It's from Ultimate universe. You can understand that from cap's costume as well. 
 
=] 
 
@Morpheus_ said:

" @Goldfinch:The fight you referenced is not from the mainstream universe. That's Earth 1610; the Ultimate universe. "

Shhhh.... "

 I'm sorry but how can you tell anything from their so-called fights?  They never truly fought in a fair fight, and you have never seen from either character, which might imply who would win. None is going to win until Marvel chooses who would be the ultimate winner.  For now it's 5/10 for each.  "

I didn't tell anything from their " so called fights ". My opinion is only based on what i have seen from these characters. And if i'm going to wait for what winners, the Marvel will give me, then the obvious winner between Spider-man and Firelord, it's spider-man. Even if Firelord should stomp the hell out of him. =] "

Give me one proof of that where is it? Neither you or Vance Astro provided it. Both have been shown weakened and hold back or messed in the head when they fought against  each other.  There was nothing in all DD/Cap fight that would even suggest or indicate that Cap would beat DD.
 
You said:  That was amazingly bad written fight and no, DD won't be able to land a nerve strike on cap. Nerve strikes are not like punches. You have to be very specific with these kinds of attacks. And someone with cap's reaction time and a defense like shield, would make it extremely hard for DD to land a pressure point. The instance with Logan should not be compare to that. Logan was in feral state, so obviously he was not relying on skills or anything like that. 
 
Goldfinch: What makes you think he is not going to able to do it, DD is expert in these things one wrong move from Cap and if neither is holding back, he uses nerve strikes to beat him. It can either way. 
 
You said:  Writers does not have to screw DD's senses for cap to beat him. Cap is already skilled and physically able to beat him. You are still using that PIS fight where Cap was KOed by a thrown to a curtain, but you don't prove anything actually. When someone uses PIS fights or events, does not really prove much. 
 
Goldfinch: Actually writers did that that very often, you like it or not otherwise, you're ignoring this. As for curtain, if you hit someone hard enough into the curtain and behind the curtain is the wall he will get KOed, enhanced human or not. 
 
You said: My opinion is only based on what i have seen from these characters. 
Goldfinch: Your opinion is based on your belief not the actual facts. Everything that I've seen so far tells me that this would end up in stalemate. Cap is overestimated here. Black Panther specifically said that Cap's skills are basic, but he has speed and strength. 
 
You said: And if i'm going to wait for what winners, the Marvel will give me, then the obvious winner between Spider-man and Firelord, it's spider-man. Even if Firelord should stomp the hell out of him 
 
You said: And if i'm going to wait for what winners, the Marvel will give me, then the obvious winner between Spider-man and Firelord, it's spider-man. Even if Firelord should stomp the hell out of him. 
 
Goldfinch: You're playing with fire and you're playing with words. This was only one time when Spider-man beat Firelord, and this can happen to everyone, you like it or not. A character who stands a slim chance against another more powerful B character-it doesn't mean this more powerful B character can't lose against weaker A character just because he is far less powerful than than B character.  These are exceptions. When A character consistently beats some other B character-than this is a rock-solid, irrefutable proof that A will beat B in great majority of the fights. Have you seen this in the fights between DD and Cap? 
Of course you haven't. 
 
You said: Cap has shown better skill feat as well as better physical stats.  
Goldfinch: Where did he actually show better skills, not in their fights and the fights against others. 
 
You said: Saying that cap wins without being shown in comics, it's not based on fanboyism, it's based on what ON panel evidence we have seen. And cap has better ON panel feats in terms of skills and physical stats. 
 
Goldfinch: What evidences he is more skillful than DD? Where are they? The only thing that Cap has shown above was his strength. 
 
You said: We don't have to wait for a writer to make a fair fight when we can already know, who should logically wins by judging their feats. Also if you wait for a writer to make a fair fight between Cap and DD, the winner would still be cap anyway, because...you know...he is cap. 
 
Goldfinch: Actually that's dumbest thing I ever read. This is pretty much like I can say, "DD wins because of his superhuman senses and we already know this. There is no need for their ACTUAL FIGHT TO THE END". 
 
You said: Super human senses and skills will only allow to DD to hold his own, but cap's superiority in skills physical stats combined with a weapon that can easily increase his striking power, will make the difference here. 
 
Goldfinch: Where is that Cap's superiority in skills and physical stats, there is no true fight between them.  
 

 

" @Goldfinch said:

" @Vance Astro:   No, I'm not joking with my posts at all correct them if they are wrong.  "

There's alot to correct.I don't know if I care that much. "

" @Alexander Hillcrest: Yes. And? "

Cluemaster would mess up both these pussies at once

What, what exactly? It doesn't matter how long does it take, I'd like to see your arguments. Your opinion is based on your belief not the actual facts. Everything that I've seen so far tells me that this would end up in stalemate. Cap is overestimated here. Black Panther specifically said that Cap's skills are basic, but he has speed and strength.   Where is that Cap's superiority in skills and physical stats, there is no true fight between them.     If you say to me like "We don't have to wait for a writer to make a fair fight when we can already know, who should logically wins by judging their feats. Also if you wait for a writer to make a fair fight between Cap and DD, the winner would still be cap anyway, because...you know...he is cap."  This is pretty much like I can say, "DD wins because of his superhuman senses and we already know this. There is no need for their ACTUAL FIGHT TO THE END".   So,  what arguments, I would like to see them.  Or perhaps you don't have arguments at all.  So far it has been shon it's 5/10 between Cap and DD.  "

" @Vance Astro:  What's wrong with you?  All I ever wanted to show me some proofs?  Don't waste time on million proof 5 or 6 are just enough, I really don't know why is hard enough to you to post these 5 or 6 proofs?  "

" @Goldfinch said:

" @Vance Astro:  What's wrong with you?  All I ever wanted to show me some proofs?  Don't waste time on million proof 5 or 6 are just enough, I really don't know why is hard enough to you to post these 5 or 6 proofs?  "

Posting scans in a thread where the outcome is generally conceded IS a waste of time. "

unless DD plans on getting possessed again anytime soon, Cap's got this fight 9/10.

Captain America wins easily, far superior showings angainst other fighters, and he is physically superior than DD, and DD isn't getting through his shield.

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Captain America wins easily, far superior showings angainst other fighters, and he is physically superior than DD, and DD isn't getting through his shield.

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" @comicdude23 said:

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Captain America wins easily, far superior showings angainst other fighters, and he is physically superior than DD, and DD isn't getting through his shield.

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Easily? Not at all. =] "

" @Goldfinch: I don't really think Cap without the shield would make much of a difference. Indeed, the fight will be more even and a lot closer, but i think cap's skills and physical stats, still give him greater advantage.  But in the scenario without the SSS, I would certainly give this to DD.  Thor should take a clear majority over Hulk, IMO. And it would be better if you don't start the thread. Just use the search function and search for that. =] "

" @spidey 15 said:

" @Goldfinch: I don't really think Cap without the shield would make much of a difference. Indeed, the fight will be more even and a lot closer, but i think cap's skills and physical stats, still give him greater advantage.  But in the scenario without the SSS, I would certainly give this to DD.  Thor should take a clear majority over Hulk, IMO. And it would be better if you don't start the thread. Just use the search function and search for that. =] "

What makes you think Cap with shield has great advantage against DD with billy club?  Cap with shield has yet to beat DD with billy club in a fair fight. 50/50 for each.  "

" @Goldfinch said:

" @spidey 15 said:

" @Goldfinch: I don't really think Cap without the shield would make much of a difference. Indeed, the fight will be more even and a lot closer, but i think cap's skills and physical stats, still give him greater advantage.  But in the scenario without the SSS, I would certainly give this to DD.  Thor should take a clear majority over Hulk, IMO. And it would be better if you don't start the thread. Just use the search function and search for that. =] "

What makes you think Cap with shield has great advantage against DD with billy club?  Cap with shield has yet to beat DD with billy club in a fair fight. 50/50 for each.  "

I once saw a scan where DD's senses were altered and he attack Cap on the back of his head with the billy club but Cap wasn't dazed nor injured from it. Cap then proceed to take him down effortlessly. "

" @Alexander Hillcrest:  If you actually read the posts you would of seen that I said "I believe to characters to be too close to call". However. If I was forced to choose one who was the better it would be Cap. Based off of his showings of feats against ranged projectiles. "

" @Alurvelve said:

" @Alexander Hillcrest:  If you actually read the posts you would of seen that I said "I believe to characters to be too close to call". However. If I was forced to choose one who was the better it would be Cap. Based off of his showings of feats against ranged projectiles. "

I don't know what caused you to assume I didn't read the posts but I did.I am aware that you believe it's too close to call but you favor Cap over Daredevil.Daredevil has an advantage that Cap doesn't have.If you believe they are anywhere near equal reflexively then how would Cap be the better dodger if Daredevil already knows ahead of time where to move? I don't really see anything shown for Captain America to suggest he's even slightly better. "

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Captain America wins easily, far superior showings angainst other fighters, and he is physically superior than DD, and DD isn't getting through his shield.

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I remember Cap beating Hulk, or was this the Ultimate universe? "

" unless DD plans on getting possessed again anytime soon, Cap's got this fight 9/10. "

And with morals off, DD would be dead anyway. He would not be able to withstand more than one hit from cap's shield while cap can counter and block most of DD's attacks. =] "

 DD stalemated Black Panther several times and he has better showings. And DD will use nerve strikes only if he is not holding back.  "

" @Alexander Hillcrest:  (I'm assuming you are Vance) Also as I've said I don't care enough to go dig through old scans I've posted throughout the Vine for the last couple of years. A character can have a dozen advantages over someone else. But if they are not showing to make a bigger significant advantage then why should you believe it to hold true. When on panel showings don't show it. "

What do you think does Cap beat DD in a fair fight 10/10 or 6/10?  "

"If you don't care and don't want to dig up any scans of your own or try and make a case because this fight is overdone..I understand. "

"I understand, but I would hope you would do some independent research and compare for yourself whether Daredevil is a better dodger than Cap.It's easy to say that it's too close to call when thinks are left out."

" @Alurvelve said:

" @Alexander Hillcrest:  (I'm assuming you are Vance) Also as I've said I don't care enough to go dig through old scans I've posted throughout the Vine for the last couple of years. A character can have a dozen advantages over someone else. But if they are not showing to make a bigger significant advantage then why should you believe it to hold true. When on panel showings don't show it. "

I have scans of things Daredevil has done that probably haven't been posted.Most of the scans that have ever been posted for Daredevil are straight from KMC and he has better dodging feats.If you don't care and don't want to dig up any scans of your own or try and make a case because this fight is overdone..I understand, but I would hope you would do some independent research and compare for yourself whether Daredevil is a better dodger than Cap.It's easy to say that it's too close to call when thinks are left out. 
 
@Goldfinch said:

What do you think does Cap beat DD in a fair fight 10/10 or 6/10?  "

Anyone who thinks Captain America can beat Daredevil 10 our of 10 or even 8 out of 10 is seriously underestimating him.I don't even know about 6/10,that might be too much.I would say maybe 5/10. "

I totally agree, based on all showings that Cap and DD had as well their fights. 5/10 is the right answer, I finally . The same I would say for Black Panther vs. Cap and DD vs. Wolverine.  Did you see Susanoo's post: "I once saw a scan where DD's senses were altered and he attack Cap on the back of his head with the billy club but Cap wasn't dazed nor injured from it. Cap then proceed to take him down effortlessly."  Do you know in which issue this happened?  Thanks.  "

I'm well aware of DD's feats. 

"Have you seen the one where he disappears in front of three Hydra gunman?  "

" @Alexander Hillcrest said:

"Have you seen the one where he disappears in front of three Hydra gunman?  "

You are aware that Cap has disappeared from in front of people as well. "

"Alexander is right , Cap wouldn't beat Daredevil 10/10 or 9/10 .   But Cap is a more skilled fighter , no he has never defeated DD in a fair fight but that doesn't mean in a fair fight he'd lose .  Cap has far more experience , a small factor in some peoples opinion but i think combat experience at is it 1000 years ? may be 100 , one of the two , i'd say that may come in useful.  Cap is superior physically , i'd say they are a fair match at agility perhaps , but strength and pure speed i'd say Cap is the superior .   In the end i say Cap wins a good fight , maybe 6 or 7/10 "

" Alexander is right , Cap wouldn't beat Daredevil 10/10 or 9/10 .   But Cap is a more skilled fighter , no he has never defeated DD in a fair fight but that doesn't mean in a fair fight he'd lose .  Cap has far more experience , a small factor in some peoples opinion but i think combat experience at is it 1000 years ? may be 100 , one of the two , i'd say that may come in useful.  Cap is superior physically , i'd say they are a fair match at agility perhaps , but strength and pure speed i'd say Cap is the superior .   In the end i say Cap wins a good fight , maybe 6 or 7/10 "

" @spidey 15 said:

" @Goldfinch: I don't really think Cap without the shield would make much of a difference. Indeed, the fight will be more even and a lot closer, but i think cap's skills and physical stats, still give him greater advantage.  But in the scenario without the SSS, I would certainly give this to DD.  Thor should take a clear majority over Hulk, IMO. And it would be better if you don't start the thread. Just use the search function and search for that. =] "

What makes you think Cap with shield has great advantage against DD with billy club?  Cap with shield has yet to beat DD with billy club in a fair fight. 50/50 for each.  "

Disagreed.Those extremely hard blows that Cap has used to cut through metal and hurt metahumans are attacks that Cap won't be able to pull off.Daredevil has already proven that throwing a shield at him as a bad idea and the amount of force he would have to swing to duplicate attacks like that...he would have to swing his hardest which will give Daredevil more time to dodge then it would if he is just dodging punches.Daredevil can fight dirty if he wants to.The last person he fought with morals off will never walk again.   
 

 (I'm assuming you are Vance)   

I never said that cap would throw the shield. Cap already knows about DD's abilities IIRC so he should know that this is a wrong tactic. 
I was talking about punching him with the shield. Cap has already done that and the only reason that  DD was not even slow down by that is bad writing, IMO. 
=] 

" @Goldfinch: by "these" do you mean the characters or my points.  i disagree , i'd say Cap is the superior martial artist, it's always been that way . He's also stronger ,faster and has greater stamina , DD is his equal in terms of agility , both being peak human.  Cap has far ,far more combat experience than DD. His sheild i've thus far gone without mentioning but it is still a deadly weapon.  I really don't see where Cap faulters here, DD's sonar and superior senses perhaps but other than that i think Cap is the winner , by about 6/10 maybe 7/10 if it's a long fight , we both agree it wouldn't be easy for either so as the fight goes on DD will tire alot quicker than  Cap , giving him a better chance every minute the fight continues. "