@digitalshooter9:
Ok I will of course answer every single point and provide relevant pics
starting from beginning
It is important because in his fight with the 100 members of the yakuza, DD was unarmed while they had GUNS
I will now explain the difference between guns and knives
The Roman empire used Knives
today's marines use guns
So how many marines do you think it would take to kill the entire roman army?
This is NOT a rhetorical question BTW
Er please tell me why it was non canon.
please tell me why Bruce was injured
please tell me why we count a pre crisis feat
Because to me it definitely looks like his arm snapping from the effort
Batman throws a sonic in his fight vs Bane?
Ok Ras al ghul then?
shiva maybe?
bronze tiger?
deathsroke?
No. Batman's first move in a fight is NOT to throw a sonic but to attack with his fists first
The FEW times he actually uses it is against Man Bats when he KNOWS their weaknesses
Scans of DDs movement speed
http://oi49.tinypic.com/zmo8kx.jpg
http://oi50.tinypic.com/2u7pr8p.jpg
http://oi47.tinypic.com/9qgqpl.jpg
http://oi45.tinypic.com/2nukupt.jpg
Note he too snaps guns like Batman
Scans of DDs reaction speeds
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/55750/2582717-daredevil335p157zwbullettime.jpg
Scans of DDs reaction speed vs CREDIBLE OPPONENTS
http://oi45.tinypic.com/2hg4h36.jpg
http://oi50.tinypic.com/9bhkpy.jpg
So I am not saying Batman can't react AT ALL.....heck wait that's exactly what I am saying!
ONE LAST TIME
A bullet travels NINE HUNDRED CENTIMETRES in 0.010 sec
A human moves ONE CENTIMETRE in 0.010 sec
Honestly its not exactly rocket science. ..
And don't give excuses like why does he lose at all then? Heck its a comic book. Flash gets tagged by humans
In a PIS free environment like Comic Vine battles he will move at his MAXIMUM Canon
Speed. A speed he has shown time and again against high quality opponents .
a speed which Batman hasn't come close to matching.
I can't help but feel you skipped over major portions of my argument to focus instead on perceived weaknesses in it
Regardless here is the full limo scene again
http://i50.tinypic.com/2nlbvyf.jpg
http://oi45.tinypic.com/5f0jr5.jpg
Notice the 3 people talking and buying drugs in the ERECT car
Notice DD flipping it over on its hood with at LEAST 3 people inside + the driver
Batman knows 127 martial arts styles! Wowsers ! then Bronze tiger must know 128!
Bane must know 129! Cass cain 130! Shiva 129!
Val amorr 300!
but that is ALL eclipsed by Wolverine and his TWO HUNDRED years of MA training!
But...but Ras al ghul has FIVE HUNDRED
YEARS of experience
But eventually Hulk beats them all with his INFINITE STRENGTH!
Seriously though if you believe everything said on Panel ypu might just as well go ahead and say " Ten Eyed Man is the most dangerous man on the planet" because tha is certainly what Batman thinks
Nothing you just said had ANYTHING to do with comics other than being a random assertion by a character not backed up at ALL by actual feats. If Batman was so good why doesn't he bullet time? Why doea he gethhumiliated while trying to hit an actual bullet timer?
Even if we grant Batman your absurd skill levels it hardly makes a difference. Nick Fury a guy who keeps tabs on ALL heroes on on Marvel earth says " Almost no one knows all the skills Matt does". Since you hold so much to things stated on panel not backed up by actual feats.
but wait! Batman knows more than ALL of Marvels MA artists! So why did the likes of JPV and Bane who by all accounts knew less than Bruce, thump him with SHEER BRUTE FORCE
Tell me something. Do you honestly think Batman can win vs Cap Am or Wolverine with ALL HIS 127 martial arts?
Cause DD easily beat both . Heck DD beat Tasksmaster whose entire gimnick is " I use every MA technique known to man"
Really just saying Bruce's 127 MA arts give him a victory because " he is more skilled" give him a victory is inconsistent even within DC itself. Ras al ghul has been beaten by Bruce despite "training for 500 years" . Heck Bruce has been beaten by JPV who didn't have half the training he did
Just an eg of some MA Bruce doesn't know?Getting demon infants to give you power boosts.
Why do I think Batman cannot pressure point? Because he doesn't have the feats to prove it how many top draw opponents has he dropped with a single nerve strike? How many people have actually used nerve strikes vs him in actual fights to show he can counter them?
once again your argument is " I THINK Batman can pressure point because he knows 127 MA arts" while my argument is " I KNOW DD can pressure point because he has done it so many times"
So in a ComicVine Battle based on feats alone? DD will pressure point because he consistently does so against high class fighters. Batman will NOT pressure point because he has FEW if any pressure point feats in ACTUAL comics. Your THINKING so doesn't actually mean its true.
Because if we are going to use rarely ( and in Batman's case NEVER) used powers, I say DDs TELEPATHY makes this a victory
True DD gets punched . But Flash also gets tagged. Does that mean we allow that sort of PIS here? And no, in a fair few of his fights vs slower people like Cap Am or Wolverine, DD does not get punched
Let me ask you again, a guy who can react to a bullet moving at 900 m/s gets punched by the guy who can barely aim dodge with the help of shadows? When the bullet timer also has feats for humiliating Batman level people with his speed? Wut?
And now some more Marvel bashing. This time its Kingpin. Kingpin doesn't beat him much these days
Classic Wilson Fisk?
the one who ripped off people's armsoff, the Guy who almost killed Cap Am, crushed a man's head in his skull, nearly killed spiderman, bent steel, kicked DDs ass etc etc
The downright meta who beat Spiderman to pulp on more than one occasion?
Sigh.....I mean....come on. You could at least google the character before bashing him
I have provided scans . I will provide more if you want. Name a particular feat you don't actually believe . I will show you the feat
And beating up nobodies in Norway vs Beating up actual FREAKIN YAKUZA members armed with guns? Not really the same thing.....
Heck even DDs feat of beating up a prison of actual CONVICTS is more impressive
Yakuza fight is in King of Hells Kitchen ( I think..don't remember exactly)
DD 82-87 by Brubaker had the prison fight
Heck I remember the ninja fight from Millers run where him an Elektra fought large portions of the Hand. Just a casual feat for Hand Ninjas: massacring the FBI before Luke Cage and Iron Fist made the save.
There were like 10 ninjas vs a huge FBI squad
If you want more . I will specifically provide Instances of DD mass brawling
Its ok if you keep goading me with the " you have never read a comic" shtick. I will just continue to provide feats( with pics since you don't believe me) that prove otherwise.
You can also keep up your " I THINK Batman can do X Y Z but don't really have any proof of that" charade but at some point I assume you will look back and find that I there is NO point in Matchesmalones post that I did not address while he specifically DID NOT address many of mine
I have already explained about the speed gulf
if you want I will show more strength feats too
And yes I have a lot of nerve strike pics too
and his fights with "top level" fighters
Again I am not sure what you are doing here...are you running out of arguments to show me somebody else' argument? Especially a person who is clearly so obsessed with Batman he runs a Batman vs fighter X column weekly?
And that person' s argument is
I THINK Batman is more skilled too ....jist because he's DC! Lol
I THINK Matt's radar sense is nothing compared to Bruce's equipment!
Tell me can Bruces equipment detect a sniper SCOPING him? Or allowing him to react to something MOVING at 900 m/s??
Seriously his arguments are even weaker than most of the people here
The icing on the cake?
He thinks Dd is superior physically. ...but Batman wins because of his mental edge!
I mean sure Batman devised a plan to stop Flash in Tower of Babel. In a random encounter? Flash blitzes him
In a random encounter? dd blitzes him . Just like Batman couldn't even SEE Cass Cain's punch coming. That's the difference in speed
once again 900 Cm vs 1 cm
So stop relying on the (poor) arguments of other people . In fact ask that Dude to come over and have an actual debate with me
Until then by all means keep on giving your own arguments .
And once again. This is a request. Please used feats from comics and not "I think" s
Thank you for your time
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