#1 Posted by jashro44 (19933 posts) - - Show Bio
  • Kingpin (unarmed)
  • Bruiser
  • bullseye (150 ninja stars, a deck of cards, and 2 sais)

VS

  • David cain (unarmed)
  • Bane (no venom)
  • Deadshot (standard gear)

Rules

Morals are on

win by any mean

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Who wins and why?

#2 Edited by jashro44 (19933 posts) - - Show Bio

David cain feats.

Bruisers 2 fights against daredevil.

#3 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

BUMP, nice match.

#4 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (3486 posts) - - Show Bio

Batmans villains. David Cain is one of the best fighters in DC comics. He invented body reading he and his daughter Both have given Bruce tough fights. Though Bruce defeated both he trained Cass. David could handle kingpin though it wouldn't be easy at all because people tend to forget how skilled he actually is. Then I'd give Deadshot the slightest edge on Bullseye and Bane probably loses to Bruiser after a good fight but both are injured. Bane was a skilled fighter anyways and a very good strategist. Bats villains are my favorite in comics besides the Flashes

#5 Posted by jashro44 (19933 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

BUMP, nice match.

Thank you.

#6 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (19975 posts) - - Show Bio

Bullseye > Deadshot

Kingpin < Bane

Bruiser and David Cain I am unsure about.

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#7 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
This is more even then it seems at first glance.
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#8 Posted by daredevil21134 (10989 posts) - - Show Bio

cool fight

#9 Posted by nickthedevil (11678 posts) - - Show Bio

DD's baddies.

#10 Posted by PlasticBag (1222 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman villains win here.

#11 Posted by jashro44 (19933 posts) - - Show Bio

@daredevil21134 said:

cool fight

Thank you.

@nickthedevil: @PlasticBag: Why?

#12 Posted by ImTheDamnBatman (3548 posts) - - Show Bio

Standard gear for Deadshot is guns, I'm assuming. That's a major swing for Batman's baddies. Bullseye needs something more than ninja stars, they barely pierce the skin.

#13 Posted by nickzambuto (13058 posts) - - Show Bio

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

Bullseye > Deadshot

Kingpin < Bane

Bruiser and David Cain I am unsure about.

Not entirely.

OP gives Deadshot guns. Bullets>Thrown objects, even in the hands of bullseye.

That said, Bullseye is quick, he and Floyd might just end up killing each other.

Both Bane and Cain can both take Kingpin, with the other stalling Bruiser long enough for their comrade to help out.

Batman villains win.

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#14 Posted by Genmacommander89 (6 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not sure where people get this silly idea that Bullseye is on Floyds level of accuracy either.

When Bullseye is capable of this he might be on DS level

#15 Posted by nickzambuto (13058 posts) - - Show Bio

@Genmacommander89 said:

I'm not sure where people get this silly idea that Bullseye is on Floyds level of accuracy either.

When Bullseye is capable of this he might be on DS level

This is something we can agree on.

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#16 Posted by jashro44 (19933 posts) - - Show Bio

@ImTheDamnBatman said:

Standard gear for Deadshot is guns, I'm assuming. That's a major swing for Batman's baddies. Bullseye needs something more than ninja stars, they barely pierce the skin.

Maybe in real life ninja stars barely pierce the skin but with some one like bullseye he can probably kill with ninja stars.

Not saying daredevil villains win just saying that I believe bullseye should be able to kill with ninja stars. I do agree deadshot having guns is an advantage.

#17 Posted by Dovwoolandflorence (5 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: pis

#18 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (5216 posts) - - Show Bio

DC 6/10 with Cain providing the edge. DS and Cain are experts with ranged weapons while only Bullseye is the marksman for Marvel.

#19 Posted by jwalser3 (4814 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dovwoolandflorence:How is that PIS?

#20 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
@WaveMotionCannon said:
DC 6/10 with Cain providing the edge. DS and Cain are experts with ranged weapons while only Bullseye is the marksman for Marvel.
I don't know if Cain gives them an edge because the OP says he's unarmed. DD has trouble beating The Kingpin with just his billy clubs. Aside from his probable strength advantage, Kingpin is skilled enough to use that weight and strength advantage properly and he's plenty fast for his size. The Bruiser is the same way he's extremely durable and Daredevil barely beat him.  With what Bullseye is armed with, if he matches up with Cain, he'll kill him easily. He has no trouble tagging faster and better dodgers\acrobats than Cain.
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#21 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
@jwalser3 said:

@Dovwoolandflorence:How is that PIS?

The tooth pick wouldn't have made it through the window. It's too brittle, even with superhuman strength it's not possible.
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#22 Edited by Maniac2312 (927 posts) - - Show Bio
@Dovwoolandflorence: It's consistant with Bullseye's character, therefore not "PIS".  
As for the battle itself, I think after it begins and all parties see the others abilities (if Deadshot and Bullseye don't just kill the others right off [Cain being the exception as he could probably avoid Bullseye's weapons]), Cain will figure out how Bruisers abilities work and take him down.  Then it's Kingpin for the h2h against Cain and Bane in which he will lose unless Bullseye gets to Bane first with a star, card, or sai.  I don't think Deadshots on the same level for agility (can be proved wrong, but I haven't seen it) as Bullseye so he could be taken out with a well placed throw....of course he could also take Bullseye out at the same time....but if they did for some reason come to h2h, Bullseye has him beat IMO.   
 
In conclusion, unless DD villains take Bane or Deadshot out quick (no way I see them taking Cain out to soon), they are gonna lose....not easily but they will.
#23 Posted by Dovwoolandflorence (5 posts) - - Show Bio

@Maniac2312 said:

@Dovwoolandflorence: It's consistant with Bullseye's charachter, therefore not "PIS". As for the battle itself, I think after it begins and all parties see the others abilities (if Deadshot and Bullseye don't just kill the others right off [Cain being the exception as he could probably avoid Bullseye's weapons]), Cain will figure out how Bruisers abilities work and take him down. Then it's Kingpin for the h2h against Cain and Bane in which he will lose unless Bullseye gets to Bane first with a star, card, or sai. I don't think Deadshots on the same level for agility (can be proved wrong, but I haven't seen it) as Bullseye so he could be taken out with a well placed throw....of course he could also take Bullseye out at the same time....but if they did for some reason come to h2h, Bullseye has him beat IMO. In conclusion, unless DD villains take Bane or Deadshot out quick (no way I see them taking Cain out to soon), they are gonna lose....not easily but they will.

It's not consistent. Bullseye doesn't have superhuman strength or speed. And as someone else pointed out unless the tooth pick is made of Adamantium, it would of shattered on the window hence PIS.

Bullseye is more agile than Deadshot but Deadshot has faster reflexes than Bullseye, hence why he can dodge sniper rounds and tag speedsters. Deadshot can also shoot down whatever Bullseye throws at him.

Bullseye could beat Deadshot up close, but Deadshots armor is strong for him to take a few hits and attempt to widen the distance also.

#24 Posted by TDK_1997 (14486 posts) - - Show Bio

This is a really nice fight and go either way but it's too hard for me to choose which side would win.

#25 Posted by Hoenhime (137 posts) - - Show Bio

Tough fight but I think daredevils villains will win they have bullseye with them and also bane has no venom.

#26 Posted by Cochise (707 posts) - - Show Bio

Bullseye's toothpick throw is NOT "PIS" since he does stuff like that regularly and has done so for years. It's comics. If anything is PIS it's the scan of Deadshot and Captain Boomerang 2 since the vast majority of the time Deadshot doesn't have such superhuman reflexes. Deadshot has phenomenal marksmanship, but on average Bullseye is a tad better. Deadshot can hit just about any guy he wants, but Bullseye can get an object down the same guy's gun barrel. His marksmanship is more superhuman/comic book-y. See Bullseye's fight with the Punisher to see how he does against an expert marksman. Don't get me wrong I am a big Deadshot fan, but he is not on a plane above Bullseye. And his armor isn't tough enough to stand up to Bullseye's projectile storm. A fight between them is a good fight not a stomp.

#27 Posted by jashro44 (19933 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro: @Dovwoolandflorence:Personally I think bullseye has done this sort of thing before for it to be considered not pis. We have seen him to stuff like cut spider-man with spider-tracers, cut people with cards, knock daredevil out with a paper airplane and ricochet and arrow off some walls and into deadpools head. Realistically he shouldn't be able to do these sorts of things but he does it a lot, and I don't think we can consider it pis when it happens this often...

#28 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
@jashro44 said:

@Vance Astro: @Dovwoolandflorence:Personally I think bullseye has done this sort of thing before for it to be considered not pis. We have seen him to stuff like cut spider-man with spider-tracers, cut people with cards, knock daredevil out with a paper airplane and ricochet and arrow off some walls and into deadpools head. Realistically he shouldn't be able to do these sorts of things but he does it a lot, and I don't think we can consider it pis when it happens this often...

Just because something happened before doesn't mean it's not PIS. Bullseye has alot of feats that have nothing to do with how good his aim is, and that's his only ability. Cutting someone with a card can be done..and by regular humans, spider-tracers are hard with sharp edges so that also makes sense. Hitting one of the best acrobats in the world with a paper plane when he suggests in his thought bubbles that he detected it before it even hits him..THAT'S PIS. Ricocheting arrows off walls also isn't that bad, the toothpick feat, killing that rat with a booger, Slitting Deadpool's throat with the top off of a soft drink..are all PIS.There's a difference between a trick shot and completely disregarding logic.
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#29 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
@Cochise said:
Bullseye's toothpick throw is NOT "PIS" since he does stuff like that regularly and has done so for years. 
I don't think you understand what "regularly" means.
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#30 Posted by Cochise (707 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think you understand what "PIS" means - it doesn't stand for "Things that I think shouldn't count because I don't like them." Bullseye's done stuff like throw an airplane hard enough to knock someone out, kill people with thrown splinters, throw a pin back into a grenade, etc. His throwing feats defy real-world physics and have done so from the beginning. It's not just amazing marksmanship.

#31 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
@Cochise said:
I don't think you understand what "PIS" means - it doesn't stand for "Things that I think shouldn't count because I don't like them." Bullseye's done stuff like throw an airplane hard enough to knock someone out, kill people with thrown splinters, throw a pin back into a grenade, etc. His throwing feats defy real-world physics and have done so from the beginning. It's not just amazing marksmanship.
I know what PIS means. Plot induced stupidity. It could be either that or CIS. Either way it's bad writing. You don't have to tell me what Bullseye has done. I've read enough. Bad writing is what it is. You said he does this stuff regularly when in fact more frequently his feats are simply feats of marksmanship that someone with good aim could pull off. 
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#32 Edited by Cochise (707 posts) - - Show Bio

You may consider it bad writing - that's a personal choice and I respect that. There are things in comics I think are silly too. But that doesnt change the fact that Bullseye's physics-defying throwing feats are not one-offs and happen not infrequently. Bear in mind Bullseye's main opponent is a guy who supposedly does not have superspeed but has a history of reacting to bullets after they are fired.

#33 Edited by Ferro Vida (34676 posts) - - Show Bio

@Cochise said:

You may consider it bad writing - that's a personal choice and I respect that. There are things in comics I think are silly too. But that doesnt change the fact that Bullseye's physics-defying throwing feats are not one-offs and happen not infrequently. Bear in mind Bullseye's main opponent is a guy who supposedly does not have superspeed but has a history of reacting to bullets after they are fired.

Actually it's been stated that he does have enhanced (and based on feats superhuman reflexes). But that's beside the point.

Allow me to illustrate the point: over the years Spider-man has been tagged numerous times by people much slower then he is. People who have no right to tag him. Some argue that they catch him by surprise. But his spider sense is supposed to counteract that. Peter is tagged by people who are slower then he is on occasion, but that does not mean it is not lazy writing. The same applies to Bullseye (especially with anything written by Kevin Smith). He can kill someone with a baseball. Sure, why not. He can throw a flash light and a shovel in rapid succession to blind an opponent against the killing blow. I'm still on board. These are items with the structural density to be lethal. A toothpick, a paper airplane, and a booger do not have this. Them displaying otherwise is no longer a showing for Bullseye, it is a showing of the durability and density of the objects in question. He is perfectly capable of throwing these items with perfect accuracy. It does not make them a weapon. Bullseye could potentially kill someone with a ninja star by hitting them in a major artery, the neck, or the eye. This is not the case with a toothpick, a paper air plane, or a booger, and it is silly to argue otherwise.

#34 Posted by Cochise (707 posts) - - Show Bio

What's silly is to apply the laws of real-world physics to comic book characters. If we did, every time Superman lifts up a building, or a submarine, or anything of that sort it would collapse around him from its own weight. Every time Sue Storm turns invisible she would go blind. Every time Batman leaps from a fourth floor roof to the sidewalk below he'd break his legs. And so on. Now, again you are free to think Bullseye's feats are silly, that's your perogative, but they are not PIS, and they are fair game to use in a vs. debate.

#35 Posted by darkhunter89 (460 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman Villains ftw

#36 Posted by TBEMrMcCoy (520 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman villains. Too much skill. Deadshot and bullseye are even so it's down to David Cain and bane vs. Kingpin and Bruiser. Batman villains take this one.

#37 Posted by dondave (34756 posts) - - Show Bio

Kingpin solos :P

#38 Posted by ZeroPlus (2201 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman villains ftw. As a matter of fact Deadshot beats Bullseye.

#39 Posted by dorukesin (5125 posts) - - Show Bio

fatman

#40 Posted by dagmar_merrill (7038 posts) - - Show Bio