Daredevil/Arrow (TV) vs Captain America (MCU)

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In this battle, the MCU's Daredevil and CW's Arrow will take on the MCU's Captain America, who will win?

Fight takes place in an urban environment at twilight. Starting distance is 50 feet.

Standard gear for all. Daredevil has his suit and weapons

All are in character. Victory by ko or death

Who wins?

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Steve in a tough fight

I haven't finished Daredevil yet.

Any reasons?

Honestly, idk when I'll get around to watching it, so I just look for the fights on YouTube :)

@arcus: 50 feet is a pretty short distance, so this fight is going to go h2h quickly. Steve may start off with a shield toss just to put the team on their toes. But once it gets h2h, his shield trumps everything. Oliver and Matt may have impressive pain tolerance/durability feats, but they won't be able to take too many hits from Steve with his shield.

Edit: And you should definitely watch Daredevil. It's awesome.

Man this one is tough, but I take cap in a hard fought battle after daredevil loses some breath like he does in the show and arrow is weak compared to daredevil IMO. Nice choice of battle op

Team.

Team

I want to, unfortunately I don't always have a lot of time. Or a Netlfix, which could be a problem too. But I've heard it's great, and the bits I have seen have been really cool

Thanks

Nice to see some votes for the team. Any reasons?

@arcus: Get the free month. And take an hour just to watch an episode a day. Believe me, it's worth it.

I will look into that. Free is good

@arcus: Standard gear Oliver would give Steve a decent fight under these circumstances. Adding Matt to it gives team the win. Steve has better physicals but he lacks good reaction feats. I doubt he can react to multiple arrows. Both Matt and Oliver has some great durability feats. Steve will have to work to take either of them down in h2h. If Oliver manages his distance,he can put Steve down.

iirc Steve's reacted to bullets, could be wrong though.

@arcus: He hasn't as far as I know.

@arcus: i want to be on the list

Btw, the team would take it in an awesome battle

Steve. He can react to everything they throw at him and one-shot them.

As long as Cap can avoid Oliver's arrows, and be prepared for the trick arrows, he should win.

Daredevil doesn't have the striking to ever put down Cap.

With Daredevil running in though, Arrow should be able to survey the battle long enough to use his trick arrows to beat cap. As of yet Cap doesn't have the feats to say he'd tank horse tranqs after being net arrow'd.

If the team had 10 seconds of prep or Arrow had knowledge of Daredevil, then they'd win basically immediately assuming Arrow has his thermal goggles/smoke arrows as standard gear.

I'll probably do the same. I'm not very engaged or even captivated by the plot progression or the script so far. :c But I must say the acting is high-end.

As for the thread, I'll still have to give it to Steve. His h2h capabilities are just as good as their's individually except he has a large physical advantage and top that off with his vibranium shield to defend himself against arrows and hits; he's still too much. Though I would believe DD with his suit and batons would be a better bet for a fairly closer battle. And letting loose Ollie's morals.

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Steve in a pretty good fight. Even though if he wasn't in-character he could probably one shot K.O. both of them.

Arrow has fought Deathstroke and The Flash before, so team.

duo

Cap wins.

@boringperson: Proof on horse tranqs or net arrows?

And you mentioned Arrow should be able to survey the battle once the battle is going to quickly commence in h2h combat. Wouldn't that mean DD will be put down fairly quickly? Permitting Cap to block Ollie's arrows with ease.

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One thing in particular I noticed was how much of a hard time Matt would have with fodder... While Cap was one shotting guys and throwing them like 10 feet into the air... From my knowledge he should win this 8-9/10 times, that's if Olly has something to put him down, I don't know his capabilities.

Hmmm i think the team can take it 5.5/10

captain america

Captain America

Both arrows are standard equipment on his wiki.

Daredevil is highly skilled and has the damage soak of a monster truck sized sponge.

Captain America will win, Ollie never had a chance against Barry it was more like sparring, and he beat a Deathstroke that was cured of the Mirakuru, likely even weakened by the Mirakuru cure as all of the other people who were injected with the cure were ko'ed instantly.

Matt is good but he is nowhere near Steves level, he has an exotic fighting style but it's nothing that Steve hasn't seen ala Batroc who alone would be a good match for either of the two combatants.

He bodies them

Captain America

Seriously, what will they do?

Cap and its not close....

@arcus: iirc Steve's reacted to bullets, could be wrong though.

He effectively aim blocked. Saw WS aim high, he shielded high. He saw him aim low, he shielded low. And that was from just a few feet away. He isn't getting hit with an arrow outright. Under these circumstances if Daredevil can keep caps attention, he may get hit. Its just unlikely, 1 bank shot shield throw could end Arrow fairly quickly.

DD is a non factor. He has trouble with freaking Kingpin. It's just another Arrow vs Cap board. If Arrow was really far away maybe, but up close with only 50 feet apart. Cap destroys him.

So, looks like we've got some team supporters

And some Cap supporters

Anyone got any reasons/counters-points for arguments for the other side?

Isn't that standard gear as of the end of the series? I know it's not in the picture, but that's just one I found on the site

I support Cap for a majority. Matt would never be able to put Steve down due to a lack of striking power, and Steve could literally shrug him off with or without his shield and send him flying. Arrow would end up the same. Maybe they could get him to not use the shield like Batroc did but he is still too strong and powerful, and Matt was having trouble and almost lost to Fisk, while Arrow loses to Slade IIRC and lost to Ra's. They aren't beating Cap in hand to hand IMO.

I don't think its impossible for the team to win though. Cap doesn't have amazing reaction time feats and can't dodge bullets or arrows. He blocks bullets with his shield but that's honestly because that's where the guys aim, instead of at his feet or hands. I can see Daredevil using his agility and toughness/willpower to hang with Cap for a short time while Arrow gets him with an arrow. I don't see this happening often though, Matt might not be able to occupy Cap long enough, and Arrow could be taken out with a shield throw, which is why I give Cap the majority.

Basically, they have very little to put Cap down and he can take them down easily whether its up close or from afar.

@arcus: I assumed the pic in the OP to be the gear we would be using. The standard gear mid-series per say.. Way to go to rustle the jimmies Arcus with the obscurity of the OP rules. :p

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:) my apologies

Wikis don't speak much when there's no evidence or little evidence to back it up in the source material.

So you're saying he's simply going to tank all of Captain America's blows and shield thrusts?

No problem buddy. It's what makes an Arcus battle, an Arcus battle. ( This pitch sounds better than the last. )

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@llehdevil: Ooohkay.... You realize the wiki is just writing down things he's already used in the show/companion comic, right?

He's used net arrows. He's used tranq arrows. He's used trick reverse arrows. He's used explosive arrows against metahumans.

I'm saying Daredevil will rush in while Arrow fires... arrows. I'm not saying Daredevil lasts long, just long enough for Arrow to notice Cap is rather obviously a metahuman. Then beat him with his far, far superior equipment and experience with Captain America-esque metahumans.

@boringperson: Tranq arrows aren't standard. He brought them to deal with Barry.

@boringperson: I understand that! But how often does he use these exactly? He could be using these items couple times in 1 episode or in a 1 novel, but I still wouldn't consider that standard.Alright, but 50 ft. isn't a lot of distance, and Oliver isn't the type to observe and attack unless he has prior knowledge. He usually starts of firing, if that doesn't work, he'll let the enemy close the distance, keep firing, then commence h2h if that too doesn't work.

And with your last Daredevil metaphor, you made it clear that Daredevil was very durable, right?

Daredevil is highly skilled and has the damage soak of a monster truck sized sponge.

Now you're saying DD will just last just long enough.

But you also said:

Daredevil doesn't have the striking to ever put down Cap.

With all this being said, I just don't see Daredevil lasting long enough to even give Ollie any time to observe.

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Team. Ollie's firepower + Matt's speed means they can win.

And watch Daredevil

Team.

Cap one shots Matt, then closes the distance to Ollie, from then on it's beat down city.

Got some different thoughts going on