- Danzo knows about Orochimaru through rumors
- Orochimaru knows about Danzo because he's been studying about him
Danzo vs Orochimaru
Orochimaru gave Danzo his eyes. I say Orochimaru wins because frankly his summon kicks the crap out of Danzo's summon and conventinal attacks aren't going to hurt Orochimaru. It will be a long fight though.
Orochimaru would kill danzo and not stand their like a fool like danzo did.. danzo wasted all of his sharingans coming back to life.. and doing nothing to show he was a top tier ninja.. orochimaru would use his cutting grass sword to cut him each time he comes back.. danzo has nothing to take orochimaru down.. his wind style is all he has.. orochimaru also has wind style (but only one jutsu in that type)
@VercingetorixTheGreat said:
@ALMIGHTY: how? All Danzo does is survive for a while. He can't harm Orochimaru
Izanagi is a forbidden uchiha technique that allows the user to change his "destiny" by making an illusion a reality, so for example even if he were destined to die he could spam Izanagi to prevent himself from dyeing or even use it to create a situation were he wins. Itachi explained to Kabuto and Sasuke how this technique was abused by Uchiha elders who spammed it to achieve victory in battles.
@ALMIGHTY said:
@VercingetorixTheGreat said:
@ALMIGHTY: how? All Danzo does is survive for a while. He can't harm Orochimaru
Izanagi is a forbidden uchiha technique that allows the user to change his "destiny" by making an illusion a reality, so for example even if he were destined to die he could spam Izanagi to prevent himself from dyeing or even use it to create a situation were he wins. Itachi explained to Kabuto and Sasuke how this technique was abused by Uchiha elders who spammed it to achieve victory in battles.
um, then why didnt he just do that to win against sasuke.. he can only change his destiny not someone elses.. his destiny cant be made so he can win.. he can only affect himself so he cant make himself win.. he can prevent his death or turn hiimself into a living uchiha with perfect senju cells or something but as sasuke shown izanagi doesnt grant him a win.. orochimaru would take this.. orochimaru would keep killing him until all 11 sharingans were blind..
@FMStyyx said:
@ALMIGHTY said:
@VercingetorixTheGreat said:
@ALMIGHTY: how? All Danzo does is survive for a while. He can't harm Orochimaru
Izanagi is a forbidden uchiha technique that allows the user to change his "destiny" by making an illusion a reality, so for example even if he were destined to die he could spam Izanagi to prevent himself from dyeing or even use it to create a situation were he wins. Itachi explained to Kabuto and Sasuke how this technique was abused by Uchiha elders who spammed it to achieve victory in battles.
um, then why didnt he just do that to win against sasuke.. he can only change his destiny not someone elses.. his destiny cant be made so he can win.. he can only affect himself so he cant make himself win.. he can prevent his death or turn hiimself into a living uchiha with perfect senju cells or something but as sasuke shown izanagi doesnt grant him a win.. orochimaru would take this.. orochimaru would keep killing him until all 11 sharingans were blind..
You are correct actually im thinking about Tobi's Izanagi which is as he stated more advanced and deals with offense and defense Danzo's does not have the ability to make his attacks a reality such as tobi's because Danzo's is not as advanced you caught me man.
@Hypersonic: Izanagi is a defensive jutsu and can't harm Orochimaru. Orochimaru just does 8 branches and smashes Danzo until he runs out of sharingan eyes. You seem to forget Orochimaru is the one who gave him the eyes. Almighty even said that he took it back. Orochimaru wins.
@ALMIGHTY: you forgot. Danzo also has wood release ninjutsu. that would definitely give him the edge.
@ALMIGHTY said:
@VercingetorixTheGreat said:
@ALMIGHTY: how? All Danzo does is survive for a while. He can't harm Orochimaru
Izanagi is a forbidden uchiha technique that allows the user to change his "destiny" by making an illusion a reality, so for example even if he were destined to die he could spam Izanagi to prevent himself from dyeing or even use it to create a situation were he wins. Itachi explained to Kabuto and Sasuke how this technique was abused by Uchiha elders who spammed it to achieve victory in battles.
That's Izunami.
Izanagi is the one that separates you from time and reality for a split second.
@terry2012 said:
Danzo wins. The deciding factor is Danzo have shisui eye. If Itachi owned Orochimaru with just a regular sharingan than Danzo should have no problem doing the same thing. And he have an ace up his sleeve his sacrifice jutsu.
danzo doesnt seem to beable to use those sharingan eyes to see, see chakra flow, predict movement, cast genjutsu.. or even counter it.. and his shisui eye seems to have to a limit of one use a day...and im sure his 10 eyes use alot of chakra (thus the senju cells) and orochimaru would know all of this.. and most likely have some drug to counter it if he faced danzo..
also for the record.. i dnt think orochimaru gave danzo the eyes.. i bet danzo already had them.. and he had orochimaru stuff them in his arm and the senju cells..
plus.. if orochimaru fatally wounds danzo he will lose control of his senju cells and they could consume him.. so he would have to break off his arm losing the ability..
also orochimaru may not know of danzo's http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Reverse_Four_Symbols_Sealing_Technique he danzo is able to cause a double ko that is how he would win..
@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:
@ALMIGHTY said:
@VercingetorixTheGreat said:
@ALMIGHTY: how? All Danzo does is survive for a while. He can't harm Orochimaru
Izanagi is a forbidden uchiha technique that allows the user to change his "destiny" by making an illusion a reality, so for example even if he were destined to die he could spam Izanagi to prevent himself from dyeing or even use it to create a situation were he wins. Itachi explained to Kabuto and Sasuke how this technique was abused by Uchiha elders who spammed it to achieve victory in battles.
That's Izunami.
Izanagi is the one that separates you from time and reality for a split second.
no, Izanagi the is the forbidden Uchiha genjutsu that is cast upon oneself, and it allows the user to turn kill blows from reality to dreams. Izanami is the jutsu that traps someone in a time-loop genjutsu that only ceases when one accepts what happened.
Everyone again seems to forget that Orochimaru implanted Shishui eye and the rest of the sharingan eyes. He has way more knowledge on Danzo then Danzo has on Orochimaru
@VercingetorixTheGreat said:
Everyone again seems to forget that Orochimaru implanted Shishui eye and the rest of the sharingan eyes. He has way more knowledge on Danzo then Danzo has on Orochimaru
What could Orochimaru do to defend against ??? If I knew the world was going to be sucked up by a black hole how would I stop it ??? Who cares if he knows if he has no defense against it he falls victim to it.
@FMStyyx said:
@terry2012 said:
Danzo wins. The deciding factor is Danzo have shisui eye. If Itachi owned Orochimaru with just a regular sharingan than Danzo should have no problem doing the same thing. And he have an ace up his sleeve his sacrifice jutsu.
danzo doesnt seem to beable to use those sharingan eyes to see, see chakra flow, predict movement, cast genjutsu.. or even counter it.. and his shisui eye seems to have to a limit of one use a day...and im sure his 10 eyes use alot of chakra (thus the senju cells) and orochimaru would know all of this.. and most likely have some drug to counter it if he faced danzo..
also for the record.. i dnt think orochimaru gave danzo the eyes.. i bet danzo already had them.. and he had orochimaru stuff them in his arm and the senju cells..
plus.. if orochimaru fatally wounds danzo he will lose control of his senju cells and they could consume him.. so he would have to break off his arm losing the ability..
also orochimaru may not know of danzo's http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Reverse_Four_Symbols_Sealing_Technique he danzo is able to cause a double ko that is how he would win..
One day , hell 1 hour is all he needs to use koto amatsukami to kill orochimaru, he has no defense against that attack.
@ALMIGHTY: Why would he give Danzo the sharingan if he didn't have a plan on countering it. It is not like they were friends. Orochimaru felt confident against Itachi's sharingan after coming out of Sasuke I am sure he could handle Danzo
@VercingetorixTheGreat: He felt confident because Sasuke already greatly damaged Itachi already, Orochimaru always spoke about how he was afraid of Itachi because of his genjitsu, and you could keep speculating that he has a defense because he put it in Danzo but their is no evidence of that speculation, just like when Dr. Gero created the androids just because he was their maker does not mean they could not kill him.
@ALMIGHTY said:
@VercingetorixTheGreat: He felt confident because Sasuke already greatly damaged Itachi already, Orochimaru always spoke about how he was afraid of Itachi because of his genjitsu, and you could keep speculating that he has a defense because he put it in Danzo but their is no evidence of that speculation, just like when Dr. Gero created the androids just because he was their maker does not mean they could not kill him.
lol lets not get into DBZ plot stupidity. Orochimaru wouldn't give Danzo Shishui's eye if he didn't know how to counter it. I mean he knew Danzo didn't like him. Also Danzo's Shishui has not done anything. It gave suggestions to Mifune that is it. Sasuke had not damaged Itachi. Itachi wasn't even trying when he fought Itachi. Really that is the only thing Danzo can do to possibly harm Orochimaru while Orochimaru can do hundreds of things.
@VercingetorixTheGreat said:
@ALMIGHTY said:
@VercingetorixTheGreat: He felt confident because Sasuke already greatly damaged Itachi already, Orochimaru always spoke about how he was afraid of Itachi because of his genjitsu, and you could keep speculating that he has a defense because he put it in Danzo but their is no evidence of that speculation, just like when Dr. Gero created the androids just because he was their maker does not mean they could not kill him.
lol lets not get into DBZ plot stupidity. Orochimaru wouldn't give Danzo Shishui's eye if he didn't know how to counter it. I mean he knew Danzo didn't like him. Also Danzo's Shishui has not done anything. It gave suggestions to Mifune that is it. Sasuke had not damaged Itachi. Itachi wasn't even trying when he fought Itachi. Really that is the only thing Danzo can do to possibly harm Orochimaru while Orochimaru can do hundreds of things.
There is no evidence that he has a defense to it, and he has fell victim to genjutsu's before, and this being one of the strongest genjutsu's ever Orochimaru has no defense against it until proven. Like I said in a former post no matter how much preperation and knowledge you have on something like a black hole, or solar flare, if you do not have the ability to stop it, it does not matter if you know about it or not there is no way for him to prevent it as he has shown against other uchiha's and that is why he is afraid of them because of their eye techniques.
@ALMIGHTY said:
@VercingetorixTheGreat said:
@ALMIGHTY said:
@VercingetorixTheGreat: He felt confident because Sasuke already greatly damaged Itachi already, Orochimaru always spoke about how he was afraid of Itachi because of his genjitsu, and you could keep speculating that he has a defense because he put it in Danzo but their is no evidence of that speculation, just like when Dr. Gero created the androids just because he was their maker does not mean they could not kill him.
lol lets not get into DBZ plot stupidity. Orochimaru wouldn't give Danzo Shishui's eye if he didn't know how to counter it. I mean he knew Danzo didn't like him. Also Danzo's Shishui has not done anything. It gave suggestions to Mifune that is it. Sasuke had not damaged Itachi. Itachi wasn't even trying when he fought Itachi. Really that is the only thing Danzo can do to possibly harm Orochimaru while Orochimaru can do hundreds of things.
There is no evidence that he has a defense to it, and he has fell victim to genjutsu's before, and this being one of the strongest genjutsu's ever Orochimaru has no defense against it until proven. Like I said in a former post no matter how much preperation and knowledge you have on something like a black hole, or solar flare, if you do not have the ability to stop it, it does not matter if you know about it or not there is no way for him to prevent it as he has shown against other uchiha's and that is why he is afraid of them because of their eye techniques.
Orochimaru has absolutely no defense against the Sharingan. It was his downfall when fighting Itachi, it was his downfall when fighting Sasuke, and the same applies to Danzo. Danzo has wood release, izanagi, and the sharingan.
@KalTheHokage_2007: We haven't seen Danzo done wood release. All Orochimaru has to do is go 8 branch and crush him a lot. Danzo hasn't shown great genjutsu all we have seen him do is use minor sugestion on Mifune. Danzo has never used the sharingan to its potential so I think he can win.
Danzo for sure, there's not much Orochimaru could do to defend against the attacks, and he can't die for a while if i remember correctly?
@VercingetorixTheGreat said:
@KalTheHokage_2007: We haven't seen Danzo done wood release. All Orochimaru has to do is go 8 branch and crush him a lot. Danzo hasn't shown great genjutsu all we have seen him do is use minor sugestion on Mifune. Danzo has never used the sharingan to its potential so I think he can win.
He can do wood release but only from his right arm.
Danzo would not win.. also he can hasnt shown any abiliity with the sharingan other than 2 tech. the genjutsu that allows you to make suggestions to someone without them knowing. shisui's eye.. and izanagi.. which wont do anything in a battle against orochimaru.. danzos wind jutsu wouldnt seem all that effective against orochimaru and its been said.. orochimarus 8 branches tech would be enough or even taking danzos body (he seems to lack the ability to escape genjutsu like the uchiha do) also orochimaru could send his snakes after danzo to help use up some of his sharingans.. (manda would easly dodge straight forward wind attacks. and the other snakes dont seem like theyd take much damage from it)
orochimaru has more battle experience than danzo.. orochimaru would win..
@FMStyyx said:
Danzo would not win.. also he can hasnt shown any abiliity with the sharingan other than 2 tech. the genjutsu that allows you to make suggestions to someone without them knowing. shisui's eye.. and izanagi.. which wont do anything in a battle against orochimaru.. danzos wind jutsu wouldnt seem all that effective against orochimaru and its been said.. orochimarus 8 branches tech would be enough or even taking danzos body (he seems to lack the ability to escape genjutsu like the uchiha do) also orochimaru could send his snakes after danzo to help use up some of his sharingans.. (manda would easly dodge straight forward wind attacks. and the other snakes dont seem like theyd take much damage from it)
orochimaru has more battle experience than danzo.. orochimaru would win..
You act like Shisui's eye and Izanagi are nothing, like I said orochimaru has been defeated by both sauske and Itachi because of their genjutsu, thats why he is so afraid of the uchiha ecspecially itachi because of his genjutsu ability, Orochimaru has no defense for koto amatsukami one of the greatest uchiha genjuts's ever. It does not matter if he is in 8 branches he still could trap him in the genjutsu. Read this this is from narutowikia.com.
"Unlike a number of other Sharingan related techniques, this ability seemingly doesn't require direct eye contact, as Danzō never removed the bandages that hid it from view."
So even if Orochimaru had displayed good defense against uchiha genjutusu (which he did not) it does not matter because it does not require eye contact, and remember he used it on another Sharingan user too. Orochimaru has no defense against this even 8 Branches as much as you guy's like to hype it cannot save him here.
@CerberusPrime3k said:
@VercingetorixTheGreat said:
@KalTheHokage_2007: We haven't seen Danzo done wood release. All Orochimaru has to do is go 8 branch and crush him a lot. Danzo hasn't shown great genjutsu all we have seen him do is use minor sugestion on Mifune. Danzo has never used the sharingan to its potential so I think he can win.
He can do wood release but only from his right arm.
He wasn't really using it he just stopped suppressing Hashirama's DNA which produced a tree from his arm.
@ALMIGHTY said:
You act like Shisui's eye and Izanagi are nothing, like I said orochimaru has been defeated by both sauske and Itachi because of their genjutsu, thats why he is so afraid of the uchiha ecspecially itachi because of his genjutsu ability, Orochimaru has no defense for koto amatsukami one of the greatest uchiha genjuts's ever. It does not matter if he is in 8 branches he still could trap him in the genjutsu. Read this this is from narutowikia.com.
"Unlike a number of other Sharingan related techniques, this ability seemingly doesn't require direct eye contact, as Danzō never removed the bandages that hid it from view."
So even if Orochimaru had displayed good defense against uchiha genjutusu (which he did not) it does not matter because it does not require eye contact, and remember he used it on another Sharingan user too. Orochimaru has no defense against this even 8 Branches as much as you guy's like to hype it cannot save him here.
during a fight what can they do??? why didnt he use it on sasuke to make him stop wasting his sharingans?? he couldnt.. (bc he used it on mafune) but i dnt think itd be a jutsu he can use in battle.. and izanagi proved to be nothing in danzos hands.. he just let sasuke kill him rather than dodge his attacks and survive.. also doesnt matter orochimaru has no defense against genjutsu.. danzo only shown able to use those 2 techs.. you cant compare danzo's usage of the sharingan to any uchiha.. bc hes shown zero ability in using it like kakashi can.. (also im very sure that shisui's eye is pretty sucky in a battle, bc danzo some how stole shisuis eye and shisui could have just manipulated danzo with it if he could..) which im assuming he cant which would allow me to assume danzo cant..
orochimaru takes this..
Orochimaru would kill danzo and make him look like an amatuer. Izanagi ca.n only save him so many times. There is nothing danzo can do that will take orochimaru down...period. Also orochimaru could hit danzo wit that sealing jutsu and make him unable to use chakra. Orochimaru is greatly underestimated in battle threads.
theres still nothing oro can do against KA. danzo stomps in seconds.
people dont seem to realise this. but danzo DEFEATED SASUKE. http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/480/12
he stalled until shisui's eye was working again, sasuke should have been down for the count wounded and alone if not for karin, and though he could have finished sasuke off with his final sharingan, opted to try and take on obito to protect his village. and even then obito had to pull sasuke out of danzo's last ditch attack. so at worst it was a draw.
also earlier in the battle, danzo had sasuke dead to rights. he stopped sasuke with a curse seal, then got a wind sword to slice his head off. sasuke got somehow stronger mid fight due to his uchiha body. but thats not an option for oro. he will lose his head in short order.
orochimaru is nearly immortal and who knows wht he has in that lab of his? oro wins
except the fact that Danzo took on a bloodlusted MS sasuke and would have won if not for karin.
orochimaru barely could handle a pre-Hebi sasuke, Got demolished by naruto in his 4 tail state.
By Hype orochimaru should win,
but by feats Danzo Should take it with a hard fight and absuing all 11 sharingan. he had the speed and power to keep MS sasuke on his toes, and would have had 2 for sure deadly attacks landing if not for karin.
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