Now the Dragonborn. If you read the OP, it said Maxed out Dovahkiin+Lore Dovahkiin, which means perks are included. Anyways, I take back what I said. The Dragonborn actually has supersonic reflexes & combat speed, because I looked on uesp.net and the in-game arrow was clocked at 187.5 mph, which is the same speed you run during the Slow Time shout. If the Quick Reflexes perk makes your backwards walking speed about two times as fast as an arrow, then I don't think it would be lying to say that running makes you 7 and a half times faster ;)
So 7.5 X 187.5=1406.25 mph. Divide that by 761.207051 and you get 1.85 (rounded) times the speed of sound. Now include the Slow time shout (which slows time to 10% of normal speed) and voilà, you're hypersonic!!!
So.. the in-game arrow is about about 187 mph, or 80 mps, right?
First, the mechanism of quick reflexes. Reflex speed is the highest you can go. It's always a lot above your running speed.
Backward speed is about half as forward speed, considering the olympic statistics. So.. that'd make his reflexes to be about 160 mps, right?
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never mind with the calcs. I am no expert on dante, but according to nickZ and neon, dante's speed is in league with naruto/bleach/op characters, any of whom can blitz DB to infinity and beyond, even Including his reflexes/time slow. I don't see what you're trying to argue here..
Plus dante could literally rip his head off before he utters a word.
No, he's still hypersonic. More like 80 mps X 2=walking/jogging backwards (since you can't run backwards in Skyrim, only jog). Running is much faster than jogging, therefore your argument about how reflexes being the highest is going back on you. Add in Slow Time & Dragon Aspect as well as how powerful the thu'um is in lore and there you go, nearly equal speeds. The Quick Reflexes is more than just reflexes. It's short distance travel speed or "combat speed". Think of Spider-Man, when he's on the ground, except he has the durability to tank, absorb and return attacks from high-level reality warping beings (Lorkan, namely) that can backhand DMC Mundus like a redheaded stepchild. You can forget about Dante ripping heads off.
Hypersonic?
1. How exactly did you get that the arrows move at 80 mps? Well, that's still okay.
2. How did you get the relation between jogging/running backwards and running forwards?
3. Where did you get the quantification of time slow?
Could you be a little more specific of how he's hypersonic, and quantify in mach speeds?
I see dante, even without quicksilver, being faster than a full powered dov. Isn't he like.. mach 10 or something? @neongamewave: @nickzambuto: Clarify a little?
As for the rest,
Problem with all that is, Dovahkiin isn't even touching dante, while dante can kill him several times before he could blink, much less get the first word out.
- You should ask yourself, 'cause I got it from you (a stupid question). I was all fine with 187.5 mph until you started bringing in meters per second crap.
- Logic. You don't run backwards in Skyrim, you just jog or walk fast. Running forward is still way faster.
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1emnxCSWYFA and http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Slow_Time
The Dovahkiin has Mach 2 reflexes at base. 10% of Dante speed (Mach 25) is 1902.5 mph, or Mach 2.5. Add in the Dragon Aspect shout then Slow Time shout as well as lore and it's more like 2% of Dante's speed for the rest of the battle. Dovahkiin's hypersonic, dude. As for the Spoiler Block:
- Juggernaut's invulnerability and Dovahkiin's armor's invulnerability are both powered and controlled by nigh-omnipotent reality-warping multiversal beings. The main difference is, Cyttorak is less powerful than the et'Ada such as Daedric Princes, and his only feats are feats of defeat. Even Juggernaut beat him more than once. You generally need to have equal or greater power than a Elder Scrolls god to destroy their artifacts. Which is why Akatosh shattered Mehrunes' Razor during his fight with Dagon during the Oblivion Crisis. Or why Mehrunes Dagon ripped the Savior's Hide of Hircine into six pieces. So the difference in durability is...absent. Akatosh used his bow and shield during his fight with Lorkan in the beginning of time. And don't even lie to yourself with Juggernaut having greater speed. Dragonborn is faster.
- Dovahkiin has bested everyone he has encountered, from Miraak, the champion of Hermaeus Mora the Daedric Prince of knowledge and fate, to Lord Harkon the greatest Vampire that ever lived, to Alduin the World Eater and the Dragon God of Destruction. He had absorbed the Lexicon of Avanchnzel, which held centuries worth the accumulated knowledge and secrets of the Dwemer. He had read four Elder Scrolls, fragments of Creation that contain within them near-infinite knowledge and the recorded history of all histories, including all possible pasts presents and futures. Next is an artifact of great power called the Oghma Infinium, an ancient tome of knowledge. The knowledge within the tome grants the reader access to the artifact's energy, which can be manipulated to achieve near demi-god abilities. So powerful this artifact is that the Dwemer had hidden and sealed it out of fear. And the Dragonborn read this artifact and taken its power. All of these sources of knowledge I have listed, if read by a person, can turn their brain into Malt-O-Meal or simply kill them. And yet the Dovahkiin have withstood it all.
- Mehrunes' Razor can kill anything less than a Daedric Prince, instantly. That means Dante dies if that blade so much as scratches his skin. Dragons and Frost Giants are the most powerful beings you get to fight in the game besides Alduin (who can also be felled by the artifact in-game), so you can't really use that logic.
- Perhaps.
- Any and all of those things. The Sketeton key was used to unlock and hold open the Ebonmere, a portal to Nocturnal's realm, Evergloam, located in the Twilight Sepulcher of Skyrim. Mercer Frey exploited the Skeleton Key to magically acquire vast amounts of gold he uses on personal pleasures and on his mission to achieve limitless wealth via the Skeleton Key. Yes, that artifact is essentially the 'Master Key' of the Elder Scrolls universe. If you're as smart as the Dragonborn, you can do so much more...
- It's the enemy that you're debating for: Dante. He will be basically fighting himself.
- Godly scale to the Elder Scrolls universe=Godly scale in the Marvel Universe>Godly scale in Devil May Cry universe. Magnus the God of Magic would pimp-slap DMC Mundus, and so would Cyttorak probably.
The fact of the matter is, Dante can't even tickle Dragonborn, while Dragonborn can annihilate him in so many ways it's like Flash vs Odin. He can even just talk to Dante and utterly manipulate him with his faaarrrr superior intellect and wisdom, that is if Dante can withstand the power of his voice.
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