You didn't put on the OP that is by every means, so it isn't my fault, and he still can't defeat Zarathos either,
Loki is much more powerful and have more hax than him, and defeat more powerful enemies too, Loki even have Time Powers too, Magic isn't something new for someone that was hinted as one of the most proficient Mages that exist, and have deats guys like Strange and other Magic Overlords.
You didn't put on the OP that is by every means, so it isn't my fault, and he still can't defeat Zarathos either,
Loki is much more powerful and have more hax than him, and defeat more powerful enemies too, Loki even have Time Powers too, Magic isn't something new for someone that was hinted as one of the most proficient Mages that exist, and have deats guys like Strange and other Magic Overlords.
I will, and I`m just saying it would count also he could banish Hell-Lord beings well by feats, Mundus is comparable.
I`ve seen Classic Loki`s feats their impressive but this is standard Loki and current Loki isn`t up to par with his previous incarnation... And that doesn`t mean Dante can`t win.
@neongamewave: I'm skeptical about Mundus being comparable to Zarathos, I've seen some of his feats, I didn't see nothing comparable to ''Low Demons'', much less to Zarathos, if you could post them, so I'll see if that is plausible.
Classic=Current, and their feats really don't match to say Dante can win against him.
clarify composite, if only from his games then he stops at Loki or GR, if composite you mean all his appereances in any game then he clears with his little finger
@neongamewave: why did you put Wonder Woman above Superman ?
Well it is arguable if their around the same level but I don`t think its too much of a difference they both have advantages over the other but from what I know I think WW may have more impressive feats currently IMO. But I could switch the order around if you want, what is your opinion on this Gauntlet?
@neongamewave: why did you put Wonder Woman above Superman ?
Well it is arguable if their around the same level but I don`t think its too much of a difference they both have advantages over the other but from what I know I think WW may have more impressive feats currently IMO. But I could switch the order around if you want, what is your opinion on this Gauntlet?
If we're talking about Pre-Flashpoint versions,Kal would definitely beat Diana.
@neongamewave: why did you put Wonder Woman above Superman ?
Well it is arguable if their around the same level but I don`t think its too much of a difference they both have advantages over the other but from what I know I think WW may have more impressive feats currently IMO. But I could switch the order around if you want, what is your opinion on this Gauntlet?
If we're talking about Pre-Flashpoint versions,Kal would definitely beat Diana.
I agree, although there are instances where she does have the advantage over him even when he`s bloodlusted but its specifically Pre-New 52, do you have any thoughts on the Gauntlet?
@neongamewave: I'm skeptical about Mundus being comparable to Zarathos, I've seen some of his feats, I didn't see nothing comparable to ''Low Demons'', much less to Zarathos, if you could post them, so I'll see if that is plausible.
Classic=Current, and their feats really don't match to say Dante can win against him.
Fair enough.
He is more powerful than Black Heart and is a Mephisto level being. He can create space dimensions, stars, break through inter-dimensional portals, he can create life, revive the dead, control demons on a dimensional plane, is immortal and is a very potent reality warper/magic user.
Idk if he can kill Freddy in dream world. Stops at 4.
I think he could with his magic and willpower, why does he stop at 4?
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And Classic does not equal current..
By that logic Dormammu would be as powerful as he is now compared to his classic incarnation which is false. And Loki hasn`t shown to replicate those very same feats.
@dorukesin: because dante being a heavy magic type makes superman easy to put down. WW doesnt have this issue so that plus the fact that she is a far better fighter than superman makes her a bigger threat
@dorukesin: because dante being a heavy magic type makes superman easy to put down. WW doesnt have this issue so that plus the fact that she is a far better fighter than superman makes her a bigger threat
@dorukesin: because dante being a heavy magic type makes superman easy to put down. WW doesnt have this issue so that plus the fact that she is a far better fighter than superman makes her a bigger threat
I agree but where do you see Dante stopping in this Gauntlet?
@neongamewave: isn't Freddy Krueger is a reality warper ? and immortal in dream world ?
He is but not a high-tier one and Dante`s beaten reality warpers before in terms of immortality he still can be BFR`d to the real world also magic can overpower him.
He can`t use time manipulation in general and out of curiosity why would he stop at Superman?
The Doctor doesn`t have prep but has the TARDIS and Sonic Screwdriver, I wanted to see opinions.
Dante never fought some who had Supes' strength and striking power he will go down before he can inflict some serious damage especially without any form of time manipulation
A bloodlusted Dante would end Doctor before he can realize anything let alone using Tardis or his screwdriver
He can`t use time manipulation in general and out of curiosity why would he stop at Superman?
The Doctor doesn`t have prep but has the TARDIS and Sonic Screwdriver, I wanted to see opinions.
Dante never fought some who had Supes' strength and striking power he will go down before he can inflict some serious damage especially without any form of time manipulation
A bloodlusted Dante would end Doctor before he can realize anything let alone using Tardis or his screwdriver
What about the fact that he has a huge arsenal of magical weapons and Devil Trigger? I think a bloodlusted and no morals Superman would definitely beat Dante but an in-character one is vastly different also Dante`s fast enough to compete with him.
I can see that but I wouldn`t be too sure it could be the other way around.
What about the fact that he has a huge arsenal of magical weapons and Devil Trigger? I think a bloodlusted and no morals Superman would definitely beat Dante but an in-character one is vastly different also Dante`s fast enough to compete with him.
Dante sure can inflict damage on Supes and he also has the required speed to tag with him but he lacks in durability to trade blows with Supes.Also I don't think morals on will matter much for Supes as he won't be holding his punches after seeing Dante's bloodlust and powers
I can see that but I wouldn`t be too sure it could be the other way around.
@neongamewave: Sure. I belive Naruto and Sasuke could defeat him, but due to his Bloodlust he will catch guard and deliver blows that they cannot survive. Same for Round 3 with Hulk. Dante wont give Hulk anytime to react nor grow stronger. Round 4 is where he stops, as Clark speeds is greater. He can react to Dante, recognize his Bloodlust, and wont hesistate to end him quickly
@neongamewave: Sure. I belive Naruto and Sasuke could defeat him, but due to his Bloodlust he will catch guard and deliver blows that they cannot survive. Same for Round 3 with Hulk. Dante wont give Hulk anytime to react nor grow stronger. Round 4 is where he stops, as Clark speeds is greater. He can react to Dante, recognize his Bloodlust, and wont hesistate to end him quickly
Good points!
Personally I don`t see Naruto and Sasuke being able to tag or harm him when he`s in DT form. Dante is much faster than Hulk and he would use Yamato which is a dimensional cutting sword to end Hulk as I agree. I can see him stopping there the only problem is that he`s a magic user, and Superman is in-character another thing is in combat speed Superman is not faster than Dante but in travel and flight speed he is.
@neongamewave: He isn't touching superman. Thats what i should let you know in advance, as for everyone else he probably clears due to pure superiority
He can`t use time manipulation in general and out of curiosity why would he stop at Superman?
The Doctor doesn`t have prep but has the TARDIS and Sonic Screwdriver, I wanted to see opinions.
Dante never fought some who had Supes' strength and striking power he will go down before he can inflict some serious damage especially without any form of time manipulation
A bloodlusted Dante would end Doctor before he can realize anything let alone using Tardis or his screwdriver
@neongamewave: He isn't touching superman. Thats what i should let you know in advance, as for everyone else he probably clears due to pure superiority
He can`t use time manipulation in general and out of curiosity why would he stop at Superman?
The Doctor doesn`t have prep but has the TARDIS and Sonic Screwdriver, I wanted to see opinions.
Dante never fought some who had Supes' strength and striking power he will go down before he can inflict some serious damage especially without any form of time manipulation
A bloodlusted Dante would end Doctor before he can realize anything let alone using Tardis or his screwdriver
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Well, I responded to colliderz`s comment and I understand.
He is more powerful than Black Heart and is a Mephisto level being. He can create space dimensions, stars, break through inter-dimensional portals, he can create life, revive the dead, control demons on a dimensional plane, is immortal and is a very potent reality warper/magic user.
If he is a Mephisto level being than it's a stomp in favor of Ghost Rider, he was always above Mephisto, even after depowering Zarathos, Ghost Rider still continues to win over Mephisto, even on his Dimension like this current feat where Mephisto lost and got his heart ripped while inside his Dimension:
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And nothing you showed put Mundus on Mephisto's level, while it's true that Mephisto does have low feats, he also have good ones like:
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Fighting Satannish when he growed to a size that his eyes were dwarfing Planets and Stars, and that battle threatened to destroy the Earth-Plane and Hell, No one in Hell wants to battle him, Easily destroyed Thor's Mjolnir,Stop the Time on a Universal Level( Possibly), and Reed Richards with all the prep he wants can't defeat Mephisto.
And even Lord Nekron can create his own Cosmos(Universe).........
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And was stated on panel that was a Cosmos( Which is a synonym of Universe in Greek).
Idk if he can kill Freddy in dream world. Stops at 4.
I think he could with his magic and willpower, why does he stop at 4?
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And Classic does not equal current..
By that logic Dormammu would be as powerful as he is now compared to his classic incarnation which is false. And Loki hasn`t shown to replicate those very same feats.
In this case it does.
Seriously?........ ..
Loki is very different from what happened from Dormammu, he isn't a DC character for his old feats become invalid, as well that with Dormammu isn't like you're think, I already explained somethings HERE.( Post 37 and 38)
Yes, he have, even ''Modern Loki'' have feats above Dante, is just ask and I can provide them.
He is more powerful than Black Heart and is a Mephisto level being. He can create space dimensions, stars, break through inter-dimensional portals, he can create life, revive the dead, control demons on a dimensional plane, is immortal and is a very potent reality warper/magic user.
If he is a Mephisto level being than it's a stomp in favor of Ghost Rider, he was always above Mephisto, even after depowering Zarathos, Ghost Rider still continues to win over Mephisto, even on his Dimension like this current feat where Mephisto lost and got his heart ripped while inside his Dimension:
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And nothing you showed put Mundus on Mephisto's level, while it's true that Mephisto does have low feats, he also have good ones like:
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Fighting Satannish when he growed to a size that his eyes were dwarfing Planets and Stars, and that battle threatened to destroy the Earth-Plane and Hell, No one in Hell wants to battle him, Easily destroyed Thor's Mjolnir,Stop the Time on a Universal Level( Possibly), and Reed Richards with all the prep he wants can't defeat Mephisto.
And even Lord Nekron can create his own Cosmos(Universe).........
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And was stated on panel that was a Cosmos( Which is a synonym of Universe in Greek).
Idk if he can kill Freddy in dream world. Stops at 4.
I think he could with his magic and willpower, why does he stop at 4?
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And Classic does not equal current..
By that logic Dormammu would be as powerful as he is now compared to his classic incarnation which is false. And Loki hasn`t shown to replicate those very same feats.
In this case it does.
Seriously?........ ..
Loki is very different from what happened from Dormammu, he isn't a DC character for his old feats become invalid, as well that with Dormammu isn't like you're think, I already explained somethings HERE.( Post 37 and 38)
Yes, he have, even ''Modern Loki'' have feats above Dante, is just ask and I can provide them.
I know all those feats and it still doesn`t mean Mephisto is above Mundus. Can you show a feat of Mephisto creating his own realm or stars? And a lot of those feats contradict since Mephisto is not a consistently-credible character. He has more low feats than high ones and I can show you his low ones, also his fight against Galactus has context to it since a lot of people like to bring up that instance, Mephisto couldn`t hurt Galactus and he was scared.
Also Dante beat Mundus in DMC1 which was the main point, I was trying to make. Ever since DMC2 where he is at his most powerful he can`t be touched by Mundus level and above beings so he definitely can contend with Ghost Rider or Zarathos. Ghost Rider beating Mephisto doesn`t make Dante less impressive because he has shown that he beats Mephisto level beings all the time while not at his peak with Devil Trigger...
And you could show Loki`s feats but it would mean that it could contradict a lot with his old showings, and DC has nothing to do with anything even Thor is another example.
Also you would have to prove that Loki would win instead of using the argument of classic = current and even if it did there would be a ton of inconsistencies which would make it unreasonably harder to gauge.
@dorukesin: because dante being a heavy magic type makes superman easy to put down. WW doesnt have this issue so that plus the fact that she is a far better fighter than superman makes her a bigger threat
I agree but where do you see Dante stopping in this Gauntlet?
assuming he doesnt absorb jackie's power, I always thought that ghost rider can stalemate him because he's on a really high power level but at the same time dante was one the people who fought metatron(which is quite frankly insane even with help) the real aspect that most people dont realize is that this is elder dante. elder dante's final form is pretty much invincible
I know all those feats and it still doesn`t mean Mephisto is above Mundus. Can you show a feat of Mephisto creating his own realm or stars? And a lot of those feats contradict since Mephisto is not a consistently-credible character. He has more low feats than high ones and I can show you his low ones, also his fight against Galactus has context to it since a lot of people like to bring up that instance, Mephisto couldn`t hurt Galactus and he was scared.
Yes, it does, I never seen Mundus replicate things on that scale, and I showed Lord Nekron for that motive, his powers were given by Satannish which is equal to Mephisto, that made him able to create multiples dimensions which were hinted to him and by Dr.Strange to be infinite in size, one of them was a replicate of their universe, which we saw Planets in there and maybe even Stars too, so that feat of Mundus is nothing to Mephisto level beings, and I never brought the Galactus instance for that matter, and is still not on the way you're defining too. Also, Mephisto have bad feats because sometimes they put him as just as a ''Low Demon'' but other times as ''The Ultimate Evil'', the only problem is that Mephisto does indeed operate on a higher scale than Mundus will ever be, like this scan when Hela and Mephisto were after Thor's soul, The Living Tribunal said for Mephisto that he was disrupting the Multiverse Balance, LT himself was warning Mephisto about he being a threat to The Cosmic Balance, something well above the likes of Mundus's powers.( I was going to post this feat before but I forgot it)
Also Dante beat Mundus in DMC1 which was the main point, I was trying to make. Ever since DMC2 where he is at his most powerful he can`t be touched by Mundus level and above beings so he definitely can contend with Ghost Rider or Zarathos. Ghost Rider beating Mephisto doesn`t make Dante less impressive because he has shown that he beats Mephisto level beings all the time while not at his peak with Devil Trigger...
Ans so did Ghost Rider, a being with more than 40 years of history and he got some power ups too, and Dante never beat a single being even with 1/100000 of Mephisto's powers too, so I don't see the point.
And you could show Loki`s feats but it would mean that it could contradict a lot with his old showings, and DC has nothing to do with anything even Thor is another example.
Also you would have to prove that Loki would win instead of using the argument of classic = current and even if it did there would be a ton of inconsistencies which would make it unreasonably harder to gauge.
That was for you see that there isn't this thing of ''Classic Loki'' and ''Modern Loki'', while some characters did indeed change, Loki didn't and every comic character was written by different people, Tom Brevoort himself said that Marvel can't stabilize a consistency,different from some Mangas, Video-games and other medias, Comic Companies have different people for the same thing, you will find different interpretations, it's not easy as you people think.
And sure:
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Loki was able to make Odin a fool with his Illusions, turn the Skyfather Bor into snow( That was able to fight OF Thor and by Thor own words if wasn't for Odin Force he would get one-shotted), Hold the Abstract Death against her will, and was able to give Storm powers to contend with Thor.
Again.... I saw your entire post and I saw those feats I can show low feats for Mephisto and it would be more accurate. Also like I said Ghost Rider defeating certain beings doesn`t make Dante less impressive also a lot of those feats have been retconned and you still haven`t shown me a feat of Mephisto creating a star or his own realm.
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