#1 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

vs

Standart equipment

Random encounter

Gotham City

Win by K.O or sunmission.

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#2 Posted by Onemoreposter (4086 posts) - - Show Bio

@Stronger: They actually recently fought in World's Finest and I do believe Damien was getting the upper hand (although I think Helena was more trying to evade the fight rather than go all out).

In any case I'd give this to Damien. He's been trained since he was physically able to train and I doubt Helena was so the difference in amounts of experience would be less than you think. Also, Damien has had much more diverse training where as far as we know, Helena has only trained with Bruce. Damien, in my eyes, is also much more brutal and ruthless. Additionally I see him making up for whatever strength advantage Helena has on him with his speed, agility, and the maneuverability of his small size.

#3 Posted by entropy_aegis (15472 posts) - - Show Bio

Damian lets her live.

#4 Posted by longbowhunter (7476 posts) - - Show Bio

Damian for the win...always!

#5 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

I go with Damian too.

#6 Posted by NeonGameWave (8338 posts) - - Show Bio

Damian, he`s lethal, aggressive and to a degree ruthless although that has changed a bit.

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#7 Posted by Pokeysteve (8527 posts) - - Show Bio

@Onemoreposter said:

@Stronger: They actually recently fought in World's Finest and I do believe Damien was getting the upper hand (although I think Helena was more trying to evade the fight rather than go all out).

In any case I'd give this to Damien. He's been trained since he was physically able to train and I doubt Helena was so the difference in amounts of experience would be less than you think. Also, Damien has had much more diverse training where as far as we know, Helena has only trained with Bruce. Damien, in my eyes, is also much more brutal and ruthless. Additionally I see him making up for whatever strength advantage Helena has on him with his speed, agility, and the maneuverability of his small size.

I was thinking the opposite. She was actually trained by Batman AND Catwoman plus she's older. Even if he has a slight skill advantage, I don't think it's enough to overcome her higher stats.

#8 Posted by The_Lunact_And_Manic (3286 posts) - - Show Bio

Damian

#9 Posted by anihush (132 posts) - - Show Bio

Damian because he has the win at any cost attitude

#10 Posted by ComicStooge (13731 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd give it to Damian. What are Helena's feats like?

#11 Posted by Ultra_Girl_ (1248 posts) - - Show Bio

WTH?

Why does Helena suck so bad at everything?

she can't beat ANYONE in comic vine!.

#12 Posted by Sethlol (1296 posts) - - Show Bio

Damian.

#13 Posted by dondave (38780 posts) - - Show Bio

Damian

#14 Posted by Yung ANcient One (4872 posts) - - Show Bio
I liked Damian before it was cool to like Damian (+)
#15 Posted by Shawnbaby (10868 posts) - - Show Bio

Logic tells me that a fully grown woman should be able to take down a little kid.

Actual feats tell me otherwise.

#16 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pokeysteve said:

@Onemoreposter said:

@Stronger: They actually recently fought in World's Finest and I do believe Damien was getting the upper hand (although I think Helena was more trying to evade the fight rather than go all out).

In any case I'd give this to Damien. He's been trained since he was physically able to train and I doubt Helena was so the difference in amounts of experience would be less than you think. Also, Damien has had much more diverse training where as far as we know, Helena has only trained with Bruce. Damien, in my eyes, is also much more brutal and ruthless. Additionally I see him making up for whatever strength advantage Helena has on him with his speed, agility, and the maneuverability of his small size.

I was thinking the opposite. She was actually trained by Batman AND Catwoman plus she's older. Even if he has a slight skill advantage, I don't think it's enough to overcome her higher stats.

What higher stats are you talking about?

Damian is smarter,faster,more durable and skilled and at least as strong as her.

#17 Posted by Pokeysteve (8527 posts) - - Show Bio

@Stronger said:

@Pokeysteve said:

@Onemoreposter said:

@Stronger: They actually recently fought in World's Finest and I do believe Damien was getting the upper hand (although I think Helena was more trying to evade the fight rather than go all out).

In any case I'd give this to Damien. He's been trained since he was physically able to train and I doubt Helena was so the difference in amounts of experience would be less than you think. Also, Damien has had much more diverse training where as far as we know, Helena has only trained with Bruce. Damien, in my eyes, is also much more brutal and ruthless. Additionally I see him making up for whatever strength advantage Helena has on him with his speed, agility, and the maneuverability of his small size.

I was thinking the opposite. She was actually trained by Batman AND Catwoman plus she's older. Even if he has a slight skill advantage, I don't think it's enough to overcome her higher stats.

What higher stats are you talking about?

Damian is smarter,faster,more durable and skilled and at least as strong as her.

How do you figure? She's older by several years and like a foot taller. I'll give you faster but it won't make a difference.

#18 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pokeysteve said:

@Stronger said:

@Pokeysteve said:

@Onemoreposter said:

@Stronger: They actually recently fought in World's Finest and I do believe Damien was getting the upper hand (although I think Helena was more trying to evade the fight rather than go all out).

In any case I'd give this to Damien. He's been trained since he was physically able to train and I doubt Helena was so the difference in amounts of experience would be less than you think. Also, Damien has had much more diverse training where as far as we know, Helena has only trained with Bruce. Damien, in my eyes, is also much more brutal and ruthless. Additionally I see him making up for whatever strength advantage Helena has on him with his speed, agility, and the maneuverability of his small size.

I was thinking the opposite. She was actually trained by Batman AND Catwoman plus she's older. Even if he has a slight skill advantage, I don't think it's enough to overcome her higher stats.

What higher stats are you talking about?

Damian is smarter,faster,more durable and skilled and at least as strong as her.

How do you figure? She's older by several years and like a foot taller. I'll give you faster but it won't make a difference.

Males are physically stronger than females in almost every species.And Damian has trained in the league of assasins and under Batman.He also has more feats.

#19 Posted by Spydey (404 posts) - - Show Bio

Helena. ONLY because of her size though. Damian's done some impressive stuff, and his upbringing ups her in hand to hand, marksmanship, intelligence and weaponry. So yea, feats would claim him the victor, but she's still a full grown woman with training from Batman. But then again, I feel like Damian wouldn't have a hard time getting into her head. Bringing up her past mentioning her mother to distract. She could probably try it back, but it wouldn't work. So no. I give it back to Damian. He'd play mind games on her. His voice is still high so he'd mimic Catwoman's voice to mess with her.

If they were the same age, then I'd give it to Damian....easily.

#20 Posted by kingsloth (249 posts) - - Show Bio

@Onemoreposter said:

@Stronger: They actually recently fought in World's Finest and I do believe Damien was getting the upper hand (although I think Helena was more trying to evade the fight rather than go all out).

In any case I'd give this to Damien. He's been trained since he was physically able to train and I doubt Helena was so the difference in amounts of experience would be less than you think. Also, Damien has had much more diverse training where as far as we know, Helena has only trained with Bruce. Damien, in my eyes, is also much more brutal and ruthless. Additionally I see him making up for whatever strength advantage Helena has on him with his speed, agility, and the maneuverability of his small size.

your right worlds finest 006, damian wins.

#21 Posted by Pokeysteve (8527 posts) - - Show Bio

@Stronger said:

@Pokeysteve said:

@Stronger said:

@Pokeysteve said:

@Onemoreposter said:

@Stronger: They actually recently fought in World's Finest and I do believe Damien was getting the upper hand (although I think Helena was more trying to evade the fight rather than go all out).

In any case I'd give this to Damien. He's been trained since he was physically able to train and I doubt Helena was so the difference in amounts of experience would be less than you think. Also, Damien has had much more diverse training where as far as we know, Helena has only trained with Bruce. Damien, in my eyes, is also much more brutal and ruthless. Additionally I see him making up for whatever strength advantage Helena has on him with his speed, agility, and the maneuverability of his small size.

I was thinking the opposite. She was actually trained by Batman AND Catwoman plus she's older. Even if he has a slight skill advantage, I don't think it's enough to overcome her higher stats.

What higher stats are you talking about?

Damian is smarter,faster,more durable and skilled and at least as strong as her.

How do you figure? She's older by several years and like a foot taller. I'll give you faster but it won't make a difference.

Males are physically stronger than females in almost every species.And Damian has trained in the league of assasins and under Batman.He also has more feats.

Males are naturally stronger but she's a fully grown woman that engages in regular intense exercise. How old is Damian? Kid's probably not even 15 yet so the males are stronger than females doesn't hold up here. Helena was raised by Batman and Catwoman and she's in her 20's. Damian has more feats but this Helena hasn't been around long. Hopefully we'll see more from her soon.

#22 Edited by Onemoreposter (4086 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pokeysteve said:

@Stronger said:

@Pokeysteve said:

@Stronger said:

@Pokeysteve said:

@Onemoreposter said:

@Stronger: They actually recently fought in World's Finest and I do believe Damien was getting the upper hand (although I think Helena was more trying to evade the fight rather than go all out).

In any case I'd give this to Damien. He's been trained since he was physically able to train and I doubt Helena was so the difference in amounts of experience would be less than you think. Also, Damien has had much more diverse training where as far as we know, Helena has only trained with Bruce. Damien, in my eyes, is also much more brutal and ruthless. Additionally I see him making up for whatever strength advantage Helena has on him with his speed, agility, and the maneuverability of his small size.

I was thinking the opposite. She was actually trained by Batman AND Catwoman plus she's older. Even if he has a slight skill advantage, I don't think it's enough to overcome her higher stats.

What higher stats are you talking about?

Damian is smarter,faster,more durable and skilled and at least as strong as her.

How do you figure? She's older by several years and like a foot taller. I'll give you faster but it won't make a difference.

Males are physically stronger than females in almost every species.And Damian has trained in the league of assasins and under Batman.He also has more feats.

Males are naturally stronger but she's a fully grown woman that engages in regular intense exercise. How old is Damian? Kid's probably not even 15 yet so the males are stronger than females doesn't hold up here. Helena was raised by Batman and Catwoman and she's in her 20's. Damian has more feats but this Helena hasn't been around long. Hopefully we'll see more from her soon.

I conceded that Helena is stronger than Damien in the first place. Like you said though, Damien has more (and higher) feats. We know Damien is perfectly capable not only in physical combat with opponents much larger and stronger than himself but also in dismembering them.

A more interesting match up would be Damien vs Helena Bertinelli. That girl was a leaguer!

#23 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

@Onemoreposter: Calling Helena Bertinelly a leaguer makes me angry in ways I cannot understand..........

She got beat by school kids.....She is probably the worst fighter in the whole Bat-family..(after Barbara Gordon):P