Hmmm.. Anyone got any showings of how durable dakens bone claw are? Mister negative has never dealt with stabbing damage to my knowledge so I might go with daken.
He has to touch Daken to do that. He wont be able to do that thanks to dakens trick he learned from Romulus. Well at least not before getting cut up.
hmm.
And the fact it is no morals so it's probable he will be oozing copious amounts of pheromones too. I don't remember if Mister Negative has any resistance to that.
@jashro44: My response was meant to be a joke :/ Also Daken can't run in bursts of speed. It's later revealed that he lied about learning that trick from Romulus. It was because he can actively manipulate your perception through his pheromones. All he learned from Romulus was how to to control his pheromones.
He has to touch Daken to do that. He wont be able to do that thanks to dakens trick he learned from Romulus. Well at least not before getting cut up.
hmm.
And the fact it is no morals so it's probable he will be oozing copious amounts of pheromones too. I don't remember if Mister Negative has any resistance to that.
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@OmgOmgWtfWtf said:
@god_spawn: Does Daken even have morals?
@jashro44: My response was meant to be a joke :/ Also Daken can't run in bursts of speed. It's later revealed that he lied about learning that trick from Romulus. It was because he can actively manipulate your perception through his pheromones. All he learned from Romulus was how to to control his pheromones.
Sorry my mistake. But when was it revealed that those were pheromones altering perception?
Truthfully though I think Mr. Negative would win in a fight. I don't think he's killable, at least by normal means. His inner-demons can't die by conventional means and I don't think Daken's pheromones would work. Mr. Negative can heal people, I don't see why he couldn't heal himself of pheromones. Mr. Negative has taken huge amounts of damage without even a scratch.
@OmgOmgWtfWtf: All those scans show is Daken can alter depth perception. It doesn't say his technique from Romulus is the result of pheromones or he lied about that being the result of of pheromones.
Also if negative is decapitated he loses. His durability has never been tested to stabbing damage and I am pretty sure Daken has cut a hulk with his bone claw.
@jashro44: I posted the battle with Spider-man because I don't have scans of Daken saying that he lied about the trick he learned from Romulus. I used this scan because Spider-man was unable to hit him because Daken was mysteriously 'disappearing', but then sensed it was the pheromones altering his perception and visual acuity. Meaning it messed with his vision.
Also I doubt Daken would be able to decapitate Mr. Negative. Him hurting Skaar involved using the Muramasa blade, which he no longer possesses Mr. Negative has survived a point blank explosion from Mysterio and did no damage to him, and hits from Anti-Venom and Spider-man. He also states to the Hood that he cannot die because he was never alive to begin with.
Mr. Negative with a flick of his hand was able to send Spider-Man through an entire building.
@OmgOmgWtfWtf:I am fine with a issue reference if you don't have scans. What is the issue where it is stated all Romulus did was teach him how to use pheromones and not his disappearing trick? I can read the issue or go to the scan request thread or use the comicvine database.
And I wasn't talking about the time he cut skaar. I'm pretty sure Daken cut hulk 2099 timestorm 2009-2099 #4 but I haven't read the issue. And none of those durability feats are showing of stabbing damage. There is a different between taking a punch from superman and getting shot with a bullet. Thats why wonder woman isn't bullet proof. And negative is unlikely to hit Daken first.
@jashro44: Let me check my comics. I'm pretty sure it was in Dark Wolverine, but don't quote me on that.
Hmm interesting. If Daken can cut a hulk then he should be able to cut Mr. Negative. Though I don't think he will be able to kill him, since he clearly states that he cannot die to the Hood. Also what makes you think Daken would go for a decapitation? He has no prior knowledge of Mr. Negative or his abilities. I'm pretty sure Mr. Negative can tag Daken, he has tagged Spider-man, who is exceptionally fast in his own right. Also Daken's battle with Spider-man shows that his pheromones can be resisted, though I still believe that Mr. Negative wouldn't be affected by it due to his healing abilities and the fact he's not exactly human.
@jashro44: Let me check my comics. I'm pretty sure it was in Dark Wolverine, but don't quote me on that.
Hmm interesting. If Daken can cut a hulk then he should be able to cut Mr. Negative. Though I don't think he will be able to kill him, since he clearly states that he cannot die to the Hood. Also what makes you think Daken would go for a decapitation? He has no prior knowledge of Mr. Negative or his abilities. I'm pretty sure Mr. Negative can tag Daken, he has tagged Spider-man, who is exceptionally fast in his own right. Also Daken's battle with Spider-man shows that his pheromones can be resisted, though I still believe that Mr. Negative wouldn't be affected by it due to his healing abilities and the fact he's not exactly human.
All right.
He doesn't need to kill him to win. And Daken has gone for decapitation right off the bat. The spider-man fight you posted shows it. As for Dakens pheromones effectiveness if you are correct about his disappearing trick being a result of his pheromones then that means his pheromones worked on wolverine and deadool. There healing factors are better than negatives healing ability (I am assuming when you are talking about his healing powers you mean curing eddies cancer?). If we are assuming his disappearing trick has nothing to do with pheromones he doesn't have a counter for that. Either way I see daken winning.
@jashro44: He has healed Eddie Brock of his cancer, healed all the sickly people at the shelter when he was his other half (more specifically they say that the people suddenly get better, faster), and his powers prevent his inner-demons from being killed.
Here's a scan of Mister Negative telling Jackpot that it will take more than a gunshot to his head to kill him
Le'ts count Daken's teleportation is a skill, rather than pheromones, since I can't seem to find the reference I need. He fights and defeats the Hood. A guy who uses guns and can teleport. The Hood uses his teleportation during the battle. He's quick enough to cut the bullets in half, which is a pretty impressive feat.
One shots Cloak.
He also switches the powers of Cloak and Dagger. Turning Dagger dark and Cloak white. He also was able to turn off Anti-Venom's healing factor, though I'm not sure if this was because Anti-Venom's form stemmed from his interaction with Mister Negative, or an innate ability to alter abilities. He also states the only person who is able to kill him is Dagger, she was supposed to do it during this confrontation, since Mr. Negative wanted to die, but she ends being unable to for some unknown reason.
A couple things to clarify: One, Daken actually was able to cut Skaar with his bone claws.
It's clearly evident in the last panel of the second scan and, there's blood on all three of his claws in the last second panel of the third scan.
Second, Daken was able to do his disappearing trick against Cyber before he'd spent the time training with Romulus, back when he couldn't control his pheromones. I don't recall the statement you're referencing regarding him using pheromones for the disappearing trick, but evidence would suggest that he doesn't.
@Esquire: Interesting. Do they ever explain how he is able to cut Skaar, let alone a Hulk, with just bone claws? I don't want to debate comic book logic, but it really surprises me he can do something like that.
Also what are you trying to imply with the second scan? That his disappearing act is pheromone based or an actual skill? Because he states with his fight with Deadpool that he learned that trick from his master. We know that Daken is a pathological liar and makes things up. My assessment is that it is a pheromone technique.
@Esquire: Interesting. Do they ever explain how he is able to cut Skaar, let alone a Hulk, with just bone claws? I don't want to debate comic book logic, but it really surprises me he can do something like that.
No, not that I can remember. I think he's cut through metal walls, too, although I may be thinking of Wolverine's bone claws. I guess it's just comic book logic.
Also what are you trying to imply with the second scan? That his disappearing act is pheromone based or an actual skill? Because he states with his fight with Deadpool that he learned that trick from his master. We know that Daken is a pathological liar and makes things up. My assessment is that it is a pheromone technique.
It's been a while since I've read Daken's origins and such, but I'm pretty sure he wasn't able to control his pheromones at the time he disappeared against Cyber. All they did was make people feel the same emotions he was feeling. So if he wasn't able to use them to distort perceptions, then that would eliminate the theory that his disappearing trick is pheromone-based.
@Esquire: Well didn't he officially meet Romulus after the death of his foster family, which would be before this incident with Cypher? I mean it's really unclear what the technique is. His battle with Spider-man clearly shows it as a pheromone based technique, as he is disappearing and reappearing from Spider-man's sight. Then he states to Deadpool that he learned the technique from Romulus. So it's really unclear. I'm more inclined to believe it is a pheromone based skill, since it is kind of depicted that way, but I may be mistaken. Since you think it's skill based rather than pheromone, I will just agree.
Still I'm not sure if his pheromones would work on Mister Negative, not to mention Mister Negative is pretty darn quick himself.
@OmgOmgWtfWtf: I always get mixed up on when Romulus actually trained Daken. The way I'm remembering it is that he couldn't control his pheromones at that point, but I could be wrong.
@Esquire: It's not your fault lol. Marvel gets their dates mixed up. One inconsistency that I'm surprised no one noticed is that Winter Soldier was present at Daken's birth. The only problem is that Winter Soldier, at that exact same time, was in cyrostasis in Russia. The dates don't add up. I just chalk it up as different writers not checking their info before writing their stories.
@OmgOmgWtfWtf: In battle forums when no morals is mentioned it means they can do things typically out of character. Whether how loose their morals are they have a set of morals that makes them operate the way they do in comics. And I'll cover the rest of what you said in the response to the guys as well.
@jashro44: @Esquire
Daken's technique is based on a skill taught by Romulus. He did do it before he had conscious control of his pheromones, Cyber was one of those instances. And bringing up the Spider-Man fight, Daken was doing the technique before Parker was affected by the pheromones hence the green bubbles. Daken can use them to alter perception but nothing there suggested that is the technique cause it isn't. And Daken being unable to slash while doing the move is false.
Definitely did to Wolverine once and possibly a second time since Logan mid-lunge got slashed across the throat with Daken appearing behind him the very next panel.
He has healed Eddie Brock of his cancer, healed all the sickly people at the shelter when he was his other half (more specifically they say that the people suddenly get better, faster), and his powers prevent his inner-demons from being killed.
That doesn't mean he can resist pheromones. He never healed anyone in combat to my knowledge.
Here's a scan of Mister Negative telling Jackpot that it will take more than a gunshot to his head to kill him
Daken doesn't need to kill negative to win. Cutting his head off will KO/incapacitate him at the very least.
Le'ts count Daken's teleportation is a skill, rather than pheromones, since I can't seem to find the reference I need. He fights and defeats the Hood. A guy who uses guns and can teleport. The Hood uses his teleportation during the battle. He's quick enough to cut the bullets in half, which is a pretty impressive feat.
One shots Cloak.
The problem is neither the hood or cloak are as fast and skilled as Daken (at least not to my knowledge). Daken has speed that is just as good as wolverines (daken said so himself in origins and spider-man also stated the exact same thing), he has dodged point blank bullets from franken castle, etc. I don't think either the cloak or the hood have feats like that (admittedly I am not the most knowledgeable on either). And than there is also Dakens own healing factor meaning that to take daken out negative will have to decapitate daken as well.
He also switches the powers of Cloak and Dagger. Turning Dagger dark and Cloak white. He also was able to turn off Anti-Venom's healing factor, though I'm not sure if this was because Anti-Venom's form stemmed from his interaction with Mister Negative, or an innate ability to alter abilities. He also states the only person who is able to kill him is Dagger, she was supposed to do it during this confrontation, since Mr. Negative wanted to die, but she ends being unable to for some unknown reason.
The anti-venom thing was because he gave eddie those powers in the first place. He wont be able to do that to daken. I'm not familiar with the cloak and dagger instance as I haven't read there tie ins to spider-island but if I'm not mistaken didn't negative have to do something with giving them there powers according to issue 2 of there tie into spider-island? He seems to have the ability to alter people who he gave his powers to so maybe it has something to do with that?
@god_spawn said:
@OmgOmgWtfWtf: In battle forums when no morals is mentioned it means they can do things typically out of character. Whether how loose their morals are they have a set of morals that makes them operate the way they do in comics. And I'll cover the rest of what you said in the response to the guys as well.
@jashro44: @Esquire
Daken's technique is based on a skill taught by Romulus. He did do it before he had conscious control of his pheromones, Cyber was one of those instances. And bringing up the Spider-Man fight, Daken was doing the technique before Parker was affected by the pheromones hence the green bubbles. Daken can use them to alter perception but nothing there suggested that is the technique cause it isn't. And Daken being unable to slash while doing the move is false.
Definitely did to Wolverine once and possibly a second time since Logan mid-lunge got slashed across the throat with Daken appearing behind him the very next panel.
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