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#1 Edited by The Mjolnir Wielder (7906 posts) - - Show Bio

                  
#2 Posted by Man of Lengend (1001 posts) - - Show Bio

well this is a hard one actually .... ill take daken no prep and deathstroke with prep
#3 Posted by The Mjolnir Wielder (7906 posts) - - Show Bio
@Man of Lengend said:
"well this is a hard one actually .... ill take daken no prep and deathstroke with prep "

O yea I forgot to tell everyone that there is no prep here.
#4 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
Prep or no prep...Daken has done little for me to put him on Slade's level...
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#5 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Mjolnir Wielder said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
"Prep or no prep...Daken has done little for me to put him on Slade's level... "
Pwning Deadpool with little effort wasn't enough for u? "
No.
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#6 Posted by The Crimson Nutcase (813 posts) - - Show Bio

Daken FTW!
#7 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke for the win

#8 Edited by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke. 
 
Let me know whn Daken starts beating teams of superheroes on his own.  Then we'll talk about him fighting Deathstroke.
#9 Posted by Doombert (518 posts) - - Show Bio

Just a bump for curiousity sake.  This fight is without prep.  The argument that Slade has beaten teams with prep goes kinda by the wayside.  We know Slade can out prep Daken...rather easily.  Any valid arguments on why or how Daken could win in this fight?
#10 Posted by texasdeathmatch (13171 posts) - - Show Bio
@Doombert: I mean despite Slade's superhuman attributes, I don't think he's completely invulnerable to Daken's pheremones. So I think Daken would be able to do his vanishing act and all that jazz and eventually dismember Deathstroke into a limbless torso. Then again, I can see Slade catching Daken right before he strikes. I have no idea. Does Slade have superhuman reflexes?
#11 Posted by Doombert (518 posts) - - Show Bio
@texasdeathmatch said:
" @Doombert: I mean despite Slade's superhuman attributes, I don't think he's completely invulnerable to Daken's pheremones. So I think Daken would be able to do his vanishing act and all that jazz and eventually dismember Deathstroke into a limbless torso. Then again, I can see Slade catching Daken right before he strikes. I have no idea. Does Slade have superhuman reflexes? "

Yup.  He has tagged much faster than Daken.  I really think Daken has 1 shot at this.  Literally 1 shot before Slade takes him out.  If he pussyfoots around like he did with Spiderman he would be a sack of meat.  I still give it to Slade 7/10 in a random encounter.  10/10 if any prep is involved.
#12 Posted by Fortanono (4889 posts) - - Show Bio

Daken.

#13 Posted by King-Stranglehold da first (3224 posts) - - Show Bio

Daken ftw

#14 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio

I know how impressive Slade is and i won't pick a winner until i know what defense he has on pheremones. 
=]

#15 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@spidey 15: I believe Deathstroke has resisted mind altering chemicals before, but I am not sure. 
#16 Posted by texasdeathmatch (13171 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467 said:
" @spidey 15: I believe Deathstroke has resisted mind altering chemicals before, but I am not sure.  "
I feel like this debate has been done before, but I'm too lazy to go searching for it.
#17 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467: I see. Thanks. In that case i might give it to Slade. 
=]
#18 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@spidey 15: Wait, I said I was not sure. I could be wrong about that. I believe I have seen an instance where Slade has resisted various chemicals, but unless I am not completely sure about the circumstances, the validity of the instance, or how it compares with this. So you may want to hold off on that. 
#19 Posted by k4tzm4n (45325 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
"Prep or no prep...Daken has done little for me to put him on Slade's level... "

I bet you regret saying that now, eh? LOL
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#20 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
"Prep or no prep...Daken has done little for me to put him on Slade's level... "
I bet you regret saying that now, eh? LOL "
I knew it wouldn't escape your eye. 
 
It is my policy not to debate in Deathstroke threads anymore.
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#21 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
"Prep or no prep...Daken has done little for me to put him on Slade's level... "
I bet you regret saying that now, eh? LOL "
I knew it wouldn't escape your eye. 
 
It is my policy not to debate in Deathstroke threads anymore.
"
Why is that?
#22 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467 said:
" @spidey 15: Wait, I said I was not sure. I could be wrong about that. I believe I have seen an instance where Slade has resisted various chemicals, but unless I am not completely sure about the circumstances, the validity of the instance, or how it compares with this. So you may want to hold off on that.  "
Ok, then i'll wait for someone sure to show me a defense from pheremones. 
=]
#23 Posted by The Mjolnir Wielder (7906 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n: You could swipe this thread if you want, since I lost all respect for Daken after reading Dark Wolverine #79.
#24 Posted by k4tzm4n (45325 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
"Prep or no prep...Daken has done little for me to put him on Slade's level... "
I bet you regret saying that now, eh? LOL "
I knew it wouldn't escape your eye. 
 
It is my policy not to debate in Deathstroke threads anymore.
"

LOL. 
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#25 Posted by k4tzm4n (45325 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Mjolnir Wielder said:
"@k4tzm4n: You could swipe this thread if you want, since I lost all respect for Daken after reading Dark Wolverine #79. "

Was #79 when he lost in the warehouse?  I don't plan on debating here, I was just shocked to see that comment from Morph, but then saw it was from a year ago.
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#26 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467 said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
"Prep or no prep...Daken has done little for me to put him on Slade's level... "
I bet you regret saying that now, eh? LOL "
I knew it wouldn't escape your eye. 
 
It is my policy not to debate in Deathstroke threads anymore.
"
Why is that? "
Because most people blow everything he does out of proportion.
 
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#27 Posted by MKF30 (11635 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke

#28 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" @Silver2467 said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
"Prep or no prep...Daken has done little for me to put him on Slade's level... "
I bet you regret saying that now, eh? LOL "
I knew it wouldn't escape your eye. 
 
It is my policy not to debate in Deathstroke threads anymore.
"
Why is that? "
Because most people blow everything he does out of proportion.   "
Do I fall under the category of "most people"? Because if I am wrong about Deathstroke in some way, I am willing to discuss that. 
#29 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467 said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
" @Silver2467 said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
"Prep or no prep...Daken has done little for me to put him on Slade's level... "
I bet you regret saying that now, eh? LOL "
I knew it wouldn't escape your eye. 
 
It is my policy not to debate in Deathstroke threads anymore.
"
Why is that? "
Because most people blow everything he does out of proportion.   "
Do I fall under the category of "most people"? Because if I am wrong about Deathstroke in some way, I am willing to discuss that.  "
No, not at all.
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#30 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" @Silver2467 said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
" @Silver2467 said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
"Prep or no prep...Daken has done little for me to put him on Slade's level... "
I bet you regret saying that now, eh? LOL "
I knew it wouldn't escape your eye. 
 
It is my policy not to debate in Deathstroke threads anymore.
"
Why is that? "
Because most people blow everything he does out of proportion.   "
Do I fall under the category of "most people"? Because if I am wrong about Deathstroke in some way, I am willing to discuss that.  "
No, not at all. "
Alright. 
#31 Posted by Doombert (518 posts) - - Show Bio

I was so looking forward to seeing Morph debate with himself.  =/
#32 Posted by navyBatman (42 posts) - - Show Bio

Daken wins  if the fight is without prep time

#33 Posted by difficlus (10679 posts) - - Show Bio

Daken after a tough fight.

#34 Posted by Mighty Max (460 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd probably edge it towards Slade but just barely in a close battle.

#35 Posted by mavfan626 (4130 posts) - - Show Bio

I want to give this a bump just outta curiosity, it didn't seem to be debated properly. 
 
So who would really win?

#36 Posted by Susanoo (5909 posts) - - Show Bio

Daken.
#37 Posted by Nefarious (20626 posts) - - Show Bio

This is one battle that I would have created if it weren't done, of course. 
 
Anwyay, Deathstroke wins. He is much faster than Daken and stronger. When I see Daken defeating teams of superheroes....then we will see if he is on Slade's level...

#38 Posted by Bucketz (827 posts) - - Show Bio

Daken loses.

#39 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6376 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm on the fence. Daken isn't as strong. Nor as fast. But he does something his pops seldom does anymore ... he evidences high level skill in battle. 
Gah... I'm leaning toward Slade. It might seem contradictory as I give Wovlerine the advantage against DS. But I think Wolverine is a much tougher fight for DS than his son based on build. 
I think DS is skilled enough to leave with Daken's head.  Logan's metal saves him from the same fate IMO. 
#40 Posted by Gremlin From Kremlin (2931 posts) - - Show Bio

Slade stomps.

#41 Posted by Equonox (964 posts) - - Show Bio

DS.  Even without prep, he would possess a much stronger ability to adapt within battle.  He seems to have faster reflexes, a lot stronger, and, let's face it, metal >>> bone.

#42 Posted by daak1212 (7901 posts) - - Show Bio

I might go with Daken, heightened senses should mean that the pheromones work stronger than usual

#43 Posted by Lance Uppercut (23245 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

It's interesting to see how far Daken has come as a character in the last few years as a figure who actually stands a chance at beating Slade. Perhaps not taking a majority of the battles, but depending on the level of prep-work by either party (or lack of, as could be the case), Daken could hold certain advantages over Slade.

#44 Posted by ReVamp (22865 posts) - - Show Bio

No Prep, I'd say Daken has a chance at a cheapshot with the Pheromones. That said, I still haven't read the Daken ongoing.

#45 Edited by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
Daken does stand a chance, but contrary to popular belief, he rarely, if ever uses his pheromones for combat purposes. Out of all his major showings, he has done so only in two, and only one was against a street level character (Spider-Man). As such, Daken is reasonably more skilled, with a superior healing factor, but inferior strength, reflexes and equipment. Slade should win more often than not.
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#46 Posted by blackpanther1 (87 posts) - - Show Bio

Death stroke is smarter has a faster healing factor better weapons and Daken has not done anything big other than beat skaar which is a load of crap 1st skaar is just like his father Healing factor getting stronger when he is angrier and to boot it he has the old power which he has been mastering other than that daken couldn't do anything with prep time any way he dosent even have the intelligence to even search on how his enemy is he is like wolverine not intelligent at all so what the point of putting prep time when the only person than can use it in that situation is dead-pool and im not saying death pool is smart im saying he is a great tactician and he is smarter than daken im not saying he is the smartest in marvel or anything dont get me wrong

#47 Posted by Lance Uppercut (23245 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackpanther1 said:

Death stroke is smarter has a faster healing factor better weapons and Daken has not done anything big other than beat skaar which is a load of crap 1st skaar is just like his father Healing factor getting stronger when he is angrier and to boot it he has the old power which he has been mastering other than that daken couldn't do anything with prep time any way he dosent even have the intelligence to even search on how his enemy is he is like wolverine not intelligent at all so what the point of putting prep time when the only person than can use it in that situation is dead-pool and im not saying death pool is smart im saying he is a great tactician and he is smarter than daken im not saying he is the smartest in marvel or anything dont get me wrong

Considering he plotted to gain the trust of the F4 (accomplished) plotted to take over all crime in Madrippor (accomplished), plotted every step in his death, leading heroes like Reed Richards, Thor, Tony Stark, etc. on wild goose chases... how is he unintelligent? In what universe is the Daken you're referencing from?

@Morpheus_ said:

Daken does stand a chance, but contrary to popular belief, he rarely, if ever uses his pheromones for combat purposes. Out of all his major showings, he has done so only in two, and only one was against a street level character (Spider-Man). As such, Daken is reasonably more skilled, with a superior healing factor, but inferior strength, reflexes and equipment. Slade should win more often than not.

How would you rate their speed against each other? Reflexes aside that is.

#48 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lance Uppercut: Daken uses his agility more frequently, but Slade can be quite dexterous in that respect when he needs to (notably when he fights entire teams at once, or individual superhumans than far outclass him). In terms of running speed, I don't really remember any notable feats for either one. Then again, Deathstroke has done this. 
 
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#49 Posted by Relentless1 (236 posts) - - Show Bio

Since it's no prep for Deathstroke, Daken wins 10/10.

#50 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morpheus_ said:

Daken does stand a chance, but contrary to popular belief, he rarely, if ever uses his pheromones for combat purposes. Out of all his major showings, he has done so only in two, and only one was against a street level character (Spider-Man). As such, Daken is reasonably more skilled, with a superior healing factor, but inferior strength, reflexes and equipment. Slade should win more often than not.

Didn't he also beat Skarr with Pheromones as well? Pretty sure the Scans I seen suggested as much.