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#1 Edited by k4tzm4n (45575 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm surprised I haven't seen this one yet

Location:

Fight takes place in a rather large dojo facility. Unpopulated, various training dummies, lightweight weapons (wooden bo-staffs, etc)

Rules

-Cap can be Rogers or Bucky, the choice is yours.

-This is BEFORE the bonding for Daken.

-Assume they begin 20 feet away.

-Character morals apply.

-Standard gear for either Cap.

-Elimination is by KO, incapacitation, death.

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#2 Posted by The Mjolnir Wielder (7906 posts) - - Show Bio

Without the MB for Daken, Cap wins
#3 Posted by castleking (24119 posts) - - Show Bio

cap would never see him coming

#4 Posted by k4tzm4n (45575 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Mjolnir Wielder said:
"Without the MB for Daken, Cap wins "

Why is that?  You don't think his superior technique and abilities would aid him?  And against who? Bucky or Steve?
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#5 Edited by castleking (24119 posts) - - Show Bio

either. daken's pheromones would screw both up and give daken a chance to exploit it......
 
afterall they aint spidey with spidey sense and daken isnt going to let them live long enough for them to figure it out like he allowed spidey to..........

#6 Posted by k4tzm4n (45575 posts) - - Show Bio
@castleking said:
"either. daken's pheromones would screw both up and give daken a chance to exploit it......  afterall they aint spidey with spidey sense and daken isnt going to let them live long enough for them to figure it out like he allowed spidey to.......... "

But they could say "You're not as good as your father", granting them the insta-win ;)
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#7 Posted by Vance Astro (91262 posts) - - Show Bio

The only chance they have is to one shot him.Bucky or Steve don't really stand a chance with the pheromones.If they didn't work for any reason or he didn't have them in this fight..I don't doubt either one could make light work of him.
 
Daken sucks for battle forums..that pheromone sh#t takes a character who is otherwise a clone and makes him untouchable.

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#8 Posted by k4tzm4n (45575 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
"The only chance they have is to one shot him.Bucky or Steve don't really stand a chance with the pheromones.If they didn't work for any reason or he didn't have them in this fight..I don't doubt either one could make light work of him. Daken sucks for battle forums..that pheromone sh#t takes a character who is otherwise a clone and makes him untouchable. "

Assume his pheromones can only cause Rogers or Bucky to become angry.
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#9 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio

Daken has my vote,
 
Phermones can jack up either cap really badly in this fight then it could be over after you know it because they surely wont be fighting to the peak of their abilities.

#10 Posted by k4tzm4n (45575 posts) - - Show Bio

Personally, I think Daken should take a decent majority over either thanks to his abilities.  I just thought I would make this since I haven't seen it.

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#11 Posted by Vance Astro (91262 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:
" @Vance Astro said:
"The only chance they have is to one shot him.Bucky or Steve don't really stand a chance with the pheromones.If they didn't work for any reason or he didn't have them in this fight..I don't doubt either one could make light work of him. Daken sucks for battle forums..that pheromone sh#t takes a character who is otherwise a clone and makes him untouchable. "
Assume his pheromones can only cause Rogers or Bucky to become angry. "
I don't know what would happen in that case.I never seen either of them really pissed off to make an assessment,but in straight combat I don't think he can beat either of them.
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#12 Posted by Gremlin From Kremlin (2931 posts) - - Show Bio

Steve or James own him.

#13 Posted by cattlebattle (12820 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap (steve) FTW, He's too experienced and just better than Daken

#14 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6384 posts) - - Show Bio
@cattlebattle said:


                    Cap (steve) FTW, He's too experienced and just better than Daken

                   

               

Daken's actually older and more experienced than Steve. And I believe Daken's skills, coupled with his healing factor and pheremones (messing with Steve's mojo), make him too much for Steve.
#15 Posted by PowerHerc (84333 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap (Rogers) defeats Daken.

#16 Posted by MrUnknown (1700 posts) - - Show Bio

Steve. But probably a close call with Bucky.

#17 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio

Daken beats both. 
His disappearing technique and pheremones will be too much for them. 
:)

#18 Posted by D3athstroke (3918 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably Daken

#19 Posted by GTG12 (1575 posts) - - Show Bio

steve wins i think but bucky might not.
#20 Posted by Edgeworth_11 (4656 posts) - - Show Bio

Daken takes both.
#21 Posted by D3athstroke (3918 posts) - - Show Bio

Daken Beats Both

#22 Edited by sgtnickrage (28 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap hands down, he'll tie that pencil neck into a pretzel. It not the first time he fought a guy with a pointy stick.  He stronger, faster, and an original, not a cheap copy of wolverine.

#23 Posted by Edgeworth_11 (4656 posts) - - Show Bio
@sgtnickrage said:
Cap hands down, he'll tie that pencil neck into a pretzel. It not the first time he fought a guy with a pointy stink.  

How does he win?
#24 Posted by King Quisling (1980 posts) - - Show Bio

Daken..... Can we stop using him for battles? Pheromones make it so we'll win most fights.
#25 Posted by Baltoro (1116 posts) - - Show Bio

Some people say Captain America might be resistant to the pheromones because of the super serum plus others have resisted it or been immune.  Captain America's shield can actually break Daken's claws because it is the harder material.  I'm betting on the Cap in a tough fight.

#26 Posted by Erik (33014 posts) - - Show Bio

I do not think Daken's pheromones or vanishing act will come into it. He has not used them in a fight in almost a year.

#27 Posted by Edgeworth_11 (4656 posts) - - Show Bio
@Baltoro said:
Some people say Captain America might be resistant to the pheromones because of the super serum plus others have resisted it or been immune.  Captain America's shield can actually break Daken's claws because it is the harder material.  I'm betting on the Cap in a tough fight.

It's not just the pheroones, he is extremely skilled, fast, and heals insanely fast.
#28 Posted by Baltoro (1116 posts) - - Show Bio
@Edgeworth_11 said:
@Baltoro said:
Some people say Captain America might be resistant to the pheromones because of the super serum plus others have resisted it or been immune.  Captain America's shield can actually break Daken's claws because it is the harder material.  I'm betting on the Cap in a tough fight.
It's not just the pheroones, he is extremely skilled, fast, and heals insanely fast.
Yeah but so is cap, aside from the healing.  But Cap really just needs to knock him out to win this and with repeated Shield strikes to the head I'll bet he can do that.  I guess the question is what would happen to Daken's claws if Cap blocks them or hits them with the edge of his shield?  I'm thinking he can bend them or shatter them since Vibranium is way harder.  Pretty sue Daken's claws arent up to Wolvies level at all.
#29 Posted by King Quisling (1980 posts) - - Show Bio
@erik
I think he still uses them. It's just that since it's been established one must assume he uses them regularly.  
#30 Posted by Edgeworth_11 (4656 posts) - - Show Bio
@Baltoro said:
@Edgeworth_11 said:
@Baltoro said:
Some people say Captain America might be resistant to the pheromones because of the super serum plus others have resisted it or been immune.  Captain America's shield can actually break Daken's claws because it is the harder material.  I'm betting on the Cap in a tough fight.
It's not just the pheroones, he is extremely skilled, fast, and heals insanely fast.
Yeah but so is cap, aside from the healing.  But Cap really just needs to knock him out to win this and with repeated Shield strikes to the head I'll bet he can do that.  I guess the question is what would happen to Daken's claws if Cap blocks them or hits them with the edge of his shield?  I'm thinking he can bend them or shatter them since Vibranium is way harder.  Pretty sue Daken's claws arent up to Wolvies level at all.

He put his claws through Iron Patriot easily. They are more durably than you would think. If they somehow managed to break, I have no doubt they would grow back.
#31 Posted by Erik (33014 posts) - - Show Bio
@King Quisling said:
@erik: I think he still uses them. It's just that since it's been established one must assume he uses them regularly.  
I already know he still uses them. He just has only been shown to use them outside of battle for the better part of a year. 
 
It is not hard to see the effects of when he does use them. Characters often perform character derailment while under his influence or he notes his use of them. He has not used them in a fight in almost a year.
#32 Posted by Erik (33014 posts) - - Show Bio
@King Quisling said:
@erik: I think he still uses them. It's just that since it's been established one must assume he uses them regularly.  

No. It must not be assumed because he has established a history of selecting to not use them.
#33 Posted by King Quisling (1980 posts) - - Show Bio
@erik:  Oh, I didn't know that. I own everything with him in it expect for maybe 6-8 issues of Wolverine:Origins
#34 Posted by Erik (33014 posts) - - Show Bio
@King Quisling
Then you own his solo series and you should know that.
#35 Edited by King Quisling (1980 posts) - - Show Bio

the current one or the one he took over? 
#36 Posted by Erik (33014 posts) - - Show Bio

The current one.

#37 Posted by King Quisling (1980 posts) - - Show Bio
@erik

Could I get a scan or reference?  
 
 
( I read like 30+ titles a month and do a lot of drugs so yeah. Things can slipped by me no problem.)
#38 Posted by progenitor (7548 posts) - - Show Bio

Daken with phermones.  Without, Cap.
#39 Posted by Erik (33014 posts) - - Show Bio
@King Quisling said:
@erik: Could I get a scan or reference?    ( I read like 30+ titles a month and do a lot of drugs so yeah. Things can slipped by me no problem.)
You want a scan of him NOT using something? 
 
Okay..... Issue reference to Daken not using his pheromones or vanishing act in battle: Daken - Dark Wolverine issues 1-11 and the X-23 story arc tie-in issues for Collision.
#40 Posted by King Quisling (1980 posts) - - Show Bio
@erik: I thought you meant he said it plainly.... "no more pheromones for me" or something. Nothing about his new series or the cross over said he doesn't use them anymore.
#41 Posted by Edgeworth_11 (4656 posts) - - Show Bio

He still has it. Hasn't used it, doesn't mean he doesn't have it.
#42 Posted by Erik (33014 posts) - - Show Bio
@King Quisling said:
@erik: I thought you meant he said it plainly.... "no more pheromones for me" or something. Nothing about his new series or the cross over said he doesn't use them anymore.
I never said anything along those lines so I do not know how you came to that conclusion. I said he has not used them in a year for a fight. That is true. So whatever his in-character reasons are, he is choosing not to use those abilities during fights.
#43 Posted by Edgeworth_11 (4656 posts) - - Show Bio

He didn't need it for the fights perhaps.

#44 Posted by King Quisling (1980 posts) - - Show Bio
@erik

Lol I thought you were reading Daken. He doesn't use them in fights because he wants a challenge. ( this is also why he's been taking heat) My question is.... Who has he really fought in the new series?
#45 Posted by King Quisling (1980 posts) - - Show Bio
@erik: I'm sure in the upcoming fight we'll see him use them. Wonder if the Heat will affect it at all.....
#46 Posted by HellionVulcan (3803 posts) - - Show Bio

Daken wins day in day out hes much faster far more brutal in what he does then steve & bucky combined plus his skills out do both .

#47 Posted by Erik (33014 posts) - - Show Bio
@King Quisling said:
@erik: Lol I thought you were reading Daken. He doesn't use them in fights because he wants a challenge. ( this is also why he's been taking heat) My question is.... Who has he really fought in the new series?
I am reading Daken. I do not believe he ever once said he opts out of using his pheromones because he wants a challenge. As far as I know, his motives for doing so are as of yet, unrevealed.
#48 Posted by GhostRider29 (2673 posts) - - Show Bio

When I first found out about daken, i thought that he sucked. Now that I know so dang much about him...I kindof fear the dude. He beats Cap. EIther one
#49 Posted by King Quisling (1980 posts) - - Show Bio
@erik: When he's going on and on about being on Heat he emphasizes of it "beating" his HF and how it challenges him. If he isn't using his pheromones as much anymore, which I don't think is true; he probably uses them more than we realize (For more than combat reasons I'm sure) , it would be because he wants to challenge himself.
 
Side Note: Was kinda drunk this morning when this started but I'm just now realizing that this doesn't much have anything to do with the battle. Continue in private? I like knowing other views and in-puts on Daken. I'm been draw to him since Emma first told Logan he had a son.
#50 Posted by Erik (33014 posts) - - Show Bio
@King Quisling
I think it has a lot to do with the battle actually because everyone that has said he wins and gave a reason only said it was because of his pheromone and vanishing abilities. So most people's argument hinges on the regularity in which Daken now uses these things.