#1 Posted by Danilo018 (849 posts) - - Show Bio

The battle takes place in Crimson Cosmos. But keep in mind that Cyttorak is absolute ruler of Crimson Cosmos, so basicly his just like Thanos when he absorbed the powers of the Heart Of The Universe, and we've seen what Thanos done to Living Tribunal. Anyway I want to see your opinion about this.
#2 Posted by Superparody (2011 posts) - - Show Bio

hmm Ill still go with Tribuneral... 
Cyttorak in the crimson cosmos...isnt like the HOTU(the Hotu has power over all realms)...its more like mephisto in his dimension Hell he has ultimate power their but he was still beaten by Galactus
#3 Posted by Danilo018 (849 posts) - - Show Bio

No HOUT has just the power over one universe. Adam Warlock wasn't absorbed by Thanos cause he was in another universe when that ivent happened. And Galactus, Dr. Strange and Nova were all trapped in Crimson Cosmos and could do nothing. For scans you should ask Kenshiro, you can find him in topics involving Juggernaut and Cyttorak.
#4 Posted by Baldy (5021 posts) - - Show Bio
@Danilo018 said:
" The battle takes place in Crimson Cosmos. But keep in mind that Cyttorak is absolute ruler of Crimson Cosmos, so basicly his just like Thanos when he absorbed the powers of the Heart Of The Universe, and we've seen what Thanos done to Living Tribunal. Anyway I want to see your opinion about this. "
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
 
You can't be serious. Yeah, the ruler of a single dimension is totally going to stand a chance against the right hand man of the most powerful being in the entire multiverse.
#5 Posted by JediXMan (30647 posts) - - Show Bio

Living Tribunal, easy.

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#6 Posted by Mr.Hulk_Smashin'! (2569 posts) - - Show Bio

Living tribunal destroys you in all realities for making such a stupid thread

#7 Posted by OblivionKnight (3356 posts) - - Show Bio
@Baldy said:
" @Danilo018 said:
" The battle takes place in Crimson Cosmos. But keep in mind that Cyttorak is absolute ruler of Crimson Cosmos, so basicly his just like Thanos when he absorbed the powers of the Heart Of The Universe, and we've seen what Thanos done to Living Tribunal. Anyway I want to see your opinion about this. "
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!  You can't be serious. Yeah, the ruler of a single dimension is totally going to stand a chance against the right hand man of the most powerful being in the entire multiverse. "

Agreed.Tribunal rather easily.
#8 Posted by Danilo018 (849 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mr.Hulk_Smashin'! said:
"Living tribunal destroys you in all realities for making such a stupid thread "

I see you have a very good sence of humor. Destroying me in all realities, werry funny and stupid comment :)
#9 Posted by Ultimate Joker (802 posts) - - Show Bio

 
#10 Edited by Danilo018 (849 posts) - - Show Bio

Then fuck... lock it !!!!!!! If it is the worst!!!!!!
#11 Posted by TheJuggernautpunch (6133 posts) - - Show Bio
@Ultimate Joker: No way man , this is not the worst . You know the worst .
#12 Posted by Danilo018 (849 posts) - - Show Bio

If it is so easy for Tribunal to win why when he faught Dr.Strange he was invoking the spells of Raggador the another member of the Octessence, who is less powerfull than Cyttorak? For proof visit the Octessence vs Shuma Gorath thread.
#13 Posted by FLCL1 (9580 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan said:
" Living Tribunal, easy. "
#14 Posted by xan84 (4286 posts) - - Show Bio

Cyttorak would use Juggs as a meat shield (nothing can kill this guy) and then beat the shit out of LT by heating him in the head with Juggs.
#15 Posted by Lance Uppercut (23245 posts) - - Show Bio
@Danilo018 said:
" If it is so easy for Tribunal to win why when he faught Dr.Strange he was invoking the spells of Raggador the another member of the Octessence, who is less powerfull than Cyttorak? For proof visit the Octessence vs Shuma Gorath thread. "
.....What?
#16 Posted by FLCL1 (9580 posts) - - Show Bio
@Danilo018 said:
" If it is so easy for Tribunal to win why when he faught Dr.Strange he was invoking the spells of Raggador the another member of the Octessence, who is less powerfull than Cyttorak? For proof visit the Octessence vs Shuma Gorath thread. "
what was the point of this statement?
#17 Posted by Baldy (5021 posts) - - Show Bio
@Xan said:
" Cyttorak would use Juggs as a meat shield (nothing can kill this guy) and then beat the shit out of LT by heating him in the head with Juggs. "
Is this a joke?
#18 Posted by Superparody (2011 posts) - - Show Bio
@Baldy said:
" @Xan said:
" Cyttorak would use Juggs as a meat shield (nothing can kill this guy) and then beat the shit out of LT by heating him in the head with Juggs. "
Is this a joke? "

it better be....oh and while I am at it... 

 
#19 Posted by Baldy (5021 posts) - - Show Bio
@Superparody said:
" @Baldy said:
" @Xan said:
" Cyttorak would use Juggs as a meat shield (nothing can kill this guy) and then beat the shit out of LT by heating him in the head with Juggs. "
Is this a joke? "

it better be....oh and while I am at it... 

"
Yeah normally I would just assume it was but I've heard worse things in these threads. xD
#20 Posted by capall (8278 posts) - - Show Bio
@FLCL1 said:
" @JediXMan said:
" Living Tribunal, easy. "
"
#21 Posted by Gremlin From Kremlin (2931 posts) - - Show Bio
@capall said:
" @FLCL1 said:
" @JediXMan said:
" Living Tribunal, easy. "
"
"

#22 Posted by The Dude. (902 posts) - - Show Bio

This is a no contest battle.  Cyttorak is insignificant compared to a being like the LT and the power he wields.
#23 Edited by Cypher's Gambit (2109 posts) - - Show Bio
@Danilo018 said:

" No HOUT has just the power over one universe. Adam Warlock wasn't absorbed by Thanos cause he was in another universe when that ivent happened. And Galactus, Dr. Strange and Nova were all trapped in Crimson Cosmos and could do nothing. For scans you should ask Kenshiro, you can find him in topics involving Juggernaut and Cyttorak. "

Good point and here's why.....
 
vv
 
 

@Baldy

said:

" @Danilo018 said:

" The battle takes place in Crimson Cosmos. But keep in mind that Cyttorak is absolute ruler of Crimson Cosmos, so basicly his just like Thanos when he absorbed the powers of the Heart Of The Universe, and we've seen what Thanos done to Living Tribunal. Anyway I want to see your opinion about this. "

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!  You can't be serious. Yeah, the ruler of a single dimension is totally going to stand a chance against the right hand man of the most powerful being in the entire multiverse. "

  Living Tribunal is the Ultimate Force of the Multiverse.... NOT the Omniverse. Here is the proof.
 
 
vv

 

@The Dude.

said:

" This is a no contest battle.  Cyttorak is insignificant compared to a being like the LT and the power he wields. "


Cyttorak's Crimson Cosmos does not exist in the multiverse. It exist as an extra-dimension in the omniverse. Extra-Dimensional creatures and beings are NOT bonded to the rules by Living Tribunal's multiverse because they exist out side of his power. Why can't the Living Tribunal simply erase extra-dimensional beings in the past? ie: Zom, Shuma, Nebolous, Nemesis, Cyttorak, Rune. Well simply said, he just can't. The best he can do is "push" them away and to possibly confining them someplace, but that really never works does it? Other people summoned to aid the Living Tribunal to do the banning.
 
Here is a picture of three entities that live in the Omniverse of Marvel
 
       
 
Zom was only frighten of the Living Tribunal because Zom had entered the multiverse from the omniverse. If Zom faced the Living Tribunal in another part of the extra-dimension, the Living Tribunal might have lost against Zom.   Do you remember why the Crimson Cosmos was not effected by the Infinity Gauntlet? Because the IG has no power outside in its respected area of the multiverse. The Crimson Cosmos is an extra-dimension in the omniverse. Do you see the green guy to the right? He is the extra-dimensional being known as King of Planets of Pearlious aka Nebulos.
 
 



 
Why 
 

 

"The Living Tribunal says he will have to destroy the Earth in order to stop the spread. After battling with Dr. Strange, the Tribunal allows Strange an hour to stop the spread on his own. To defeat Mordo, Strange enlists the aid of a creature called Nebulos, who is so powerful even the Living Tribunal can't beat him."


But Strange finds a way, and then needs to go find Victoria Bentley (who was one of the magic users that was activated when Strange defeated Zom - she had been forced to work for Baron Mordo and then went with Strange to see Nebulos, who imprisoned her) in a place that is more ghastly than the human mind dare conceive."
 
 
 
The Living Tribunal needed the aid of Strange to beat Nebulos. (because Strange has the power of more Extra-Dimension Entities aiding him aka the Principalities)
 
So what this boils down to is that if the Living Tribunal can not defeat the Nebulos, how in the world can he defeat something else that is extra-dimensional like Cyttorak who has btw, showed better features concerning power over Zom & Nebulos?
 
 
And this battle is Inside the Crimson Cosmos say again? -_-

 



#24 Posted by Cypher's Gambit (2109 posts) - - Show Bio
@Superparody said:
" hmm Ill still go with Tribuneral... Cyttorak in the crimson cosmos...isnt like the HOTU(the Hotu has power over all realms)...its more like mephisto in his dimension Hell he has ultimate power their but he was still beaten by Galactus "
Cyttorak's realm is UNLIKE Mephisto's realm.
 
Mephisto's realm is categorized as "INNER-Dimension"
Cyttorak's realm is categorized as "EXTRA-Dimension"
 
 Inner = with in
 Extra = Out side 
 
 
Inner-dimension = pocket realms inside the universe/multiverse
Extra-dimension = realities out side the universe/multiverse
#25 Posted by karrob (4279 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly marvel is vague with there Cyttorak explanations. Alot of my fellow viners have developed our own theories based upon various scans...I just wish writers would explore Cyttorak more.

#26 Posted by MrDirector786 (43561 posts) - - Show Bio

Living Tribunal blinks him out of existence.

#27 Posted by doomsummers (761 posts) - - Show Bio
@Cypher's Gambit:  Can Nebulos beat the Phoenix Force itself?
#28 Posted by PowerHerc (84035 posts) - - Show Bio

LT stomps.
#29 Posted by Cypher's Gambit (2109 posts) - - Show Bio
@doomsummers said:
" @Cypher's Gambit:  Can Nebulos beat the Phoenix Force itself? "
The Pheonix Force is in check within the powers of the Living Tribunal. It is more responsible of what goes on around the multiverse (destroy and create) rather than what is destroyed and created in the omniverse.  Of course both the Phoenix Force and LT can "influence" the omniverse in some way, but they are not in complete control of it. Think of it like the Omniverse is outside, and the Multi-Eternity is a house to shelter you from out side, but the Multi-Eternity is not the only house out side. Phoenix can enter any house in the omniverse because she resides in a nexus that binds all these realities called the White Hot Room. Apparently the Phoenix Force rather roam the spaces of Eternity rather than roaming the unknown space of the Omniverse. However, by this, the Living Tribunal allows Phoenix to roam his area of power only if it does not alter the balance. Let's look at the history of the Living Tribunal.
 
  1.  It takes him some time to over rule the IG
  2.  He gets worried about entities that can 'taint' Multi-Eternity
  3.  He does not want Nemesis to be awaken 
  4.  He could not defeat Nebulos under his own power
  5.  He did not want to fight Shuma Gorath
  6.  He did not criticize Genesis nor reject to Genesis' need to erase existence and construct it under his own image.
 
We are too used to everything in relation to the inside of Eternity that we are forgetting the things out side of him. And for the most part alot of people believe that Eternity (multi) is the Omniverse, and he is Noooot (a hint of Tommy Wiseau). People also make the common mistake to compare inner realms and outter realms and call it the same. It is Nooooot. The Choas, Crimson, Purple, White Hot Room are not the same as Asgard, Dark Dimension, Hell, Limbo etc.. So for people who say that Galactus can crush Mephisto in Mephisto's realm can crush Shuma in Shuma's realm is not right. Shuma can crush Galactus inside the Eternity so inside Shuma's own realm, and no matter how well fed Galactus is, he is Nooot beating Shuma period. And as for Phoenix. Phoenix has been contained before so I see of no reason for Nebulos who is in par to the Living Tribunal outside of the Multiverse to not find a way to contain the Phoenix Force as well.

 

#30 Edited by anglzfury (17 posts) - - Show Bio
@Superparody said:
" @Baldy said:
" @Xan said:
" Cyttorak would use Juggs as a meat shield (nothing can kill this guy) and then beat the shit out of LT by heating him in the head with Juggs. "
Is this a joke? "

it better be....oh and while I am at it... 

"
HAHA. lol! That's hilarious.

Living Tribunal.
#31 Posted by Ortsab Ecnal (192 posts) - - Show Bio
@Cypher's Gambit:  
 
    
 
 
who is that living tribunal is struggling against?
#32 Posted by _Courage_ (1183 posts) - - Show Bio
@Ortsab Ecnal: 
Nebulos from what I've discerned.  
 
@Cypher's Gambit: 
Each universe has it's own Infinity Gauntlet, hence why the one in 616 doesn't affect the Crimson Cosmos.
#33 Posted by The Dude. (902 posts) - - Show Bio

I believe that Cyttorak was actually a deity/Demon from eons ago that was expelled from earth to the Crimson Cosmos, so, the way I see it, he is not an interdimensional being himself, but just a demon/deity from ancient earth that resides in another dimension cause he was cast out there eons ago.
#34 Posted by Cypher's Gambit (2109 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dude. said:
" I believe that Cyttorak was actually a deity/Demon from eons ago that was expelled from earth to the Crimson Cosmos, so, the way I see it, he is not an interdimensional being himself, but just a demon/deity from ancient earth that resides in another dimension cause he was cast out there eons ago. "
Actually that is speculation from readers and characters like the Ancient one. No one but Stan Lee knows the true origin of Cyttorak, but my belief is that Stan Lee created Cyttorak to be this anonymous being with no exact origin. The story of the Ancient One contradicts the stories of the Elder Gods and even Cyttorak himself. That Cyttorak is the entire essence of the Crimson Cosmo that visited Earth 10,000 years ago... Key words, "visited" & "10,000 years ago". Well, if Cyttorak is said to be over a billion years old and is a part of a continuum that has no time, that would make him as old as the Crimson Cosmos witch is older than the multiverse. So, we understand that Cyttorak is older than the Elder Gods because of this, and we also understand, that at 10,000 years ago, Cyttorak actually visited Earth and overwhelmed every deity protecting it/ living in it. Ruled Earth for some time, until he was said to be "mysteriously vanished".

So what begs the question is who or what took Cyttorak outside of the Multiverse Earth if not himself or someone like TOAA?

The Crimson Cosmos has no age... A single universe does and everything inside a universe that spawns from it has an age. This means that the Crimson Cosmos is outside with the void of the Omniverse and not inside of a reality of the Multiverse. Did Cyttorak get bored of Earth and left it and after another 8,000 years he got bored again and created the Crimson Gem of Cyttorak just so that Cain Marko can find it and turn into the Juggernaut?

Who knows. No body does.


#35 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@MrDirector786 said:

Living Tribunal blinks him out of existence.
#36 Posted by _Black (2302 posts) - - Show Bio

Spite.

#37 Posted by AnimeVice (86 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ortsab Ecnal said:

@Cypher's Gambit:

who is that living tribunal is struggling against?

What's happening in this picture?

#38 Posted by Reticle (14 posts) - - Show Bio

lt

#39 Posted by Reticle (14 posts) - - Show Bio

semi spite

#40 Posted by spiderbuck (2454 posts) - - Show Bio

LT has this.

#41 Posted by Butcher_Pete (259 posts) - - Show Bio

I cant believe how highly some people think of Cyttorak. Living Tribunal demolishes him.

#42 Posted by MarvelRulesTheWorld (332 posts) - - Show Bio
@Cypher's Gambit said:
@doomsummers said:
" @Cypher's Gambit:  Can Nebulos beat the Phoenix Force itself? "
The Pheonix Force is in check within the powers of the Living Tribunal. It is more responsible of what goes on around the multiverse (destroy and create) rather than what is destroyed and created in the omniverse.  Of course both the Phoenix Force and LT can "influence" the omniverse in some way, but they are not in complete control of it. Think of it like the Omniverse is outside, and the Multi-Eternity is a house to shelter you from out side, but the Multi-Eternity is not the only house out side. Phoenix can enter any house in the omniverse because she resides in a nexus that binds all these realities called the White Hot Room. Apparently the Phoenix Force rather roam the spaces of Eternity rather than roaming the unknown space of the Omniverse. However, by this, the Living Tribunal allows Phoenix to roam his area of power only if it does not alter the balance. Let's look at the history of the Living Tribunal.
 
  1.  It takes him some time to over rule the IG
  2.  He gets worried about entities that can 'taint' Multi-Eternity
  3.  He does not want Nemesis to be awaken 
  4.  He could not defeat Nebulos under his own power
  5.  He did not want to fight Shuma Gorath
  6.  He did not criticize Genesis nor reject to Genesis' need to erase existence and construct it under his own image.
 
We are too used to everything in relation to the inside of Eternity that we are forgetting the things out side of him. And for the most part alot of people believe that Eternity (multi) is the Omniverse, and he is Noooot (a hint of Tommy Wiseau). People also make the common mistake to compare inner realms and outter realms and call it the same. It is Nooooot. The Choas, Crimson, Purple, White Hot Room are not the same as Asgard, Dark Dimension, Hell, Limbo etc.. So for people who say that Galactus can crush Mephisto in Mephisto's realm can crush Shuma in Shuma's realm is not right. Shuma can crush Galactus inside the Eternity so inside Shuma's own realm, and no matter how well fed Galactus is, he is Nooot beating Shuma period. And as for Phoenix. Phoenix has been contained before so I see of no reason for Nebulos who is in par to the Living Tribunal outside of the Multiverse to not find a way to contain the Phoenix Force as well. 
That's pretty well said. 
 
 
 @Ortsab Ecnal said:
@Cypher's Gambit:  
 
       who is that living tribunal is struggling against?

That's Nebulos, and Nebulos is not in par to Cyttorak. In fact, If Cyttorak and Nebulos ever fought, Cyttorak would have won far more easily than when Living Tribunal fought him. The Living Tribunal was desperate in this battle. He needed to steal the Staff of Polar Power away from Nebulos to prevent Zom's power from corrupting the entire multiverse (again). Once he successfully taken the staff with very much effort, he and Dr. Strange teleported the hell out of there. Nebulos and his worlds of the dimension Perilous are NOT inside the multiverse, but out side within the spaces of the extradimensions. This explains perfectly why the Living Tribunal was having quite a hard time fighting him.