Cypher vs Neo

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#1  Edited By dernman

 Cypher from the New Mutants vs Neo from the Matrix

 Cypher willingly hooks himself into the Matrix.

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#2  Edited By The_Mayhem_Theory
What are the parameters of the battle?
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#3  Edited By katanalauncher

Cypher would be able to see the code, doesn't mean he can control it to any extent though. 

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#4  Edited By Jonny_Anonymous

this should be a stomp for Neo

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#5  Edited By dernman

It's a No morals go at each other.

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#6  Edited By The_Mayhem_Theory
@katanalauncher said:
Cypher would be able to see the code, doesn't mean he can control it to any extent though. 
I agree.
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#7  Edited By JediXMan  Moderator

What is the extent of Cypher's powers? Can he actually manipulate the Matrix?

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#8  Edited By dernman
@JediXMan: He has been known for using his understanding for manipulation when it comes to codes.
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#9  Edited By JediXMan  Moderator
@Dernman said:
@JediXMan: He has been known for using his understanding for manipulation when it comes to codes.
Understanding the Matrix and actually being able to manipulate it are different, however.
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#10  Edited By dernman
@JediXMan: When it comes to codes his understanding its tied to his ability to manipulate. He has in the past used that ability talk to codes taking them over.
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@Dernman said:
@JediXMan: When it comes to codes his understanding its tied to his ability to manipulate. He has in the past used that ability talk to codes taking them over.
I know. I just want to know the extent of his power. What are some of his best feats?
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#12  Edited By dernman

ooh I can't think of any at the moment. um  I know things like super computer security is nothing to him. I know in a recent story a Mech typ machine was going to kill him but he stopped it and made it work for him. He can fight techno organic Ai viruses.

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#13  Edited By GrandSymbiote94

Didn't cypher take down Master Mold?

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#14  Edited By dernman

The memory is faded to me. Anyway I want you all to battle it out. Being the one who started it out I may add a fact or two but don't want to take sides.

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#15  Edited By jojjimbo

Neo wins.

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#16  Edited By blacharrt

Cypher would win this fight, not only would be able to code in the matrix but he would be able to rewrite everything he saw fit to. At this point Neo would be data that was free game to tamper with.

You have to remember Neo was not all powerful in the matrix, although he could manipulate elements of it.  Once Cypher had access to it, he would be able to make the matrix do whatever he wanted by completely making it his own.
 
He has been shown to be able to do this with pretty much any computer system.
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#17  Edited By Edgeworth_11
@blacharrt said:
Cypher would win this fight, not only would be able to code in the matrix but he would be able to rewrite everything he saw fit to as he saw fit.  You have to remember Neo was not all powerful in the matrix, although he could manipulate elements of it.  Once Cypher had access to it, he would be able to make the matrix do whatever he wanted by completely making it his own.  He has been shown to be able to do this with pretty much any computer system.

Agreed. Didn't he shut down Mastermold when X-force went to the future by decipering codes?
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#18  Edited By blacharrt
@Edgeworth_11: with the X-force team in Second-Coming yes. He did shut it down.
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#19  Edited By super_psycho

cypher

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#20  Edited By karrob

Cypher

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Neo takes this 
 

Even if Cypher can see the codes all he would be able to see is Blondes, Brunettes, Redheads. 
 

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#22  Edited By blacharrt
@FortressoftheMoon: sorry what, I'm confused by that statement. 
 
But as i said, in the matrix, Neo is nothing but Data, and Cypher would be able to manipulate him completely because he would understand ever part of the making of NEO, and he would be able to break him down easily, most likely without physically having to fight him at all.
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@blacharrt
That was a joke. I was kind of quoting from Cypher from the First Matrix movie.  
 
Neo wasn't all data. Neo was tank born human with supernatural powers. Cypher wouldn't be able to read everything of Neo especially the primary source code.