Cyclops/Wolverine VS Spider-Man/Captain America

VERSUS

LOCATION

RULES

• Random encounter. 
• Standard versions.
• The events of AvX aren't a factor here. Cyclops and Wolverine will have no gripe working together. 
• Standard elimination rules apply.

Spider-man and Cap take this. Cyclops would have a hard time hitting Spider-man and would get knocked out before Wolverine and Cap finish their fight. Which then puts Wolverine in a two on one situation that he has no chance of winning.

Spiderman and Captain America

Spidey and Cap for sure! :D

team 2...spidey should be fast enough to avoid cyclops blasts with his spider sense and his agility and cap was always an challenge for wolverine so spidey and cap ahould be able to take wolvie down

Also, Wolverine's enhanced senses give them the initial edge because he can not only inform Cyclops about who they are facing, but where they currently are.

cyke would go down first quiet easily he doesnt possess speed, stealth  nor fighting skill to be efective whats so ever in this terrain. cap and spidey can easily ko him or gunk his visor leaving logan alone to fend for himself. as good as logan is he cant hold off both guys at once, spidey can easily contain him if cap is a to distract him. poor wolvie will get his revenge on those two when he gets free after the fight, cause i think spidey would humiliate him some how. by taking pictures. :P

We've recently gone into Cyc's head and saw he is always planning an attack.  While I can see your scenario happening, I see it being less likely due to the fact Scott is extremely accurate.  This would either force Spider-Man to take cover (not allowing him to rush forward) or even being hit, and knocking him back (but not a KO, IMO).

The thing is Spidey can take cover and still attack at a range with his webs. He could blind him with shooting his visor, hit him with impact webbing to knock him back and loose his footing. Or hit him with a gunk that stick him in place. Spider-man has too much of a speed and agility difference and to top it all off he has that spider sense. Over coming one of those is easy for him, but two, things get tricky and now add in all three and it's a lot more difficult. Spidey would even have warning if Scott tried a banked shot.

I can feel Andy's heart being thorn apart because of who is fightig who

Spider-Man and Captain America take this fight. Spider-Man could probably avoid Cyclops blast and take him out before he could take him out, and we all know Spider-Man defeats Wolverine. Captain America vs Cyclops would be a good fight, but with his shield, Captain America could block Cyclops's blast until he cand get close enough to him. Cap should beable to take out Wolverine as well. So team 2 takes this one.

I dont know I think: Wolverine & Cyclops

Team 2.

Cyclops would no doubt be targeting Spiderman in this fight, whether or not he could tag him is up for debate. If cyc does manage to tag Spidey then Team 1 would win. Wolverine and Cap would be slugging it out for hours lol. If spidey takes down cyc then the outcome would be very different Team 2 would be victorious. This would be a good fight either way. Still undecided myself my optomistic nature tends to lean towards Team 1 but, I know Team 2 could take it also :)

Well considering that team 2 can't to creap to actualy kill Logan i say team 1. Cpt. America is going to hold for some time but eventualy Logan is going to get 1 hit in and Cap is dead. Wolverine is one of the best fighters in Marvel. Its not like Cap is not going to get lots of hits in the problem is that Logan can take it all, Cap can't take 1 hit from those claws in the face

SM vs Cyc i say Cyc wins he will use some area of efect hit on Wolverine, Cap and SM the only one getting up is Logan ...

Team 1 wins easy this, Cyc has no need to watch for frendly fire and his got 1 powerful mutant ability. I remember when he used his vizion to level a part of a forest.
Best strategy that works 90% : Logan goes solo in front to bait Cap and SM to attack him then Cyc open fire on the 3 of them or Logan keeps them at a distance for Cyc to fire 1 shoot .

Cyclops and Wolverine 70% of the time. Cyclops is the master strategist out of the four, and with Wolverine as his pawn, the strategies that he will employ would be truly fantastic. Everyone is so focused on Spidey dodging Cyclops; Cyclops can manipulate the length and width of his optic blast. A wide angle shot half the size of a football field is un-dodgeable by Spidey.

Scenerio goes: Since neither team knows who they are fighting, spider man takes to the air to scout. Cyclops shoots spidey out of the air with a huge wide angle shot. Spidey falls to the ground stunned where Wolverine is waiting to play clean up crew. After Spidey has been gutted, captain America attempts to save the arachnid, but has the floor blown out from underneath him by Cyclops. Again Wolverine plays clean up crew as Cyclops blasts Captain America's sheild out of his Hand.

Or Cyclops could just kill them both with one of these:

i believe spidey has given the xmen trouble along with wolverine and cyclops during secret wars

1) Take a second to read my posts.  I addressed that first battle stating both were classic versions...And it wouldn't be a very good story if they took him down, now would it?  Read all of their encounters since then and you'll see they're even and Wolverine has even had the edge a few times, more-so than Spidey in actual fights.
2) Speaking of fights, that second scan is off panel and clearly not a fight, but instead a blow out of anger.  I highly doubt they both agreed to fight and then that happened.

Why don't you post the scans of their fight in Spider-Man VS WOlverine?  How Spider-man doubts his own speed.  Or their training fight where Wolverine stabs him, spider-man then wails on him (while wolverine just takes it without fighting back) and Spider-man then passes out from the blood loss?

1. The first scan is classic Spider-Man, the Spider-Man you are using is before BND which means he is actually faster and stronger than that Spider-Man. I've read their encounters, in fact even in their closest match up with was the Spider-Man and Wolverine comic, Spider-Man had the edge in the fight. Wolverine couldn't keep up with him. The only reason Wolverine got in a position to do anything was because Spider-Man let him. Spider-Man could have easily have just webbed him to the ground and let those guys pick him up if he wanted to, or after webbing him find a way to knock him out.
2. Maybe it was off panel, but clearly Wolverine went out a window and Spider-Man was unharmed. As for them agreeing to a fight, since when do two people sit there and agree to a fight. Fights just happen.

i think spidey could be able to solo since he did take on the entire xmen i also remember that he gave the ff an hard time to...

1) You're kidding, right?  Read the dialogue in the fight and you'll see Spider-Man truly didn't have the advantage.  Spider-Man was laying into him full force and he was saying Wolverine was laughing at him.  Webbing and finding a way to knock him out is a dangerous plan, because he may be able to escape via his claws.  It's not an easy win for Spider-Man if he goes up against James, especially since it's by KO or death only.
2)  Spider-Man unarmed?  Since when is he armed?  He clearly just punched Wolverine the force knocked him out the window.  It wasn't a direct fight.  Wolverine most likely did not expect that...Where-as in this situation, both of them are combat ready.

1. Wolverine was fine, due to the way, Spider-Man hitting him. Wolverine head was in a solid position so it wasn't bobbing or anything. To knock Wolverine out, you have to get his brain to smack against his skull hard enough. Due to him pressed against the ground, his head wasn't moving, so Spider-Man was basically just punching a metal plate. Now if Wolverine would have been standing or something, it would have had a different effect on him.
2. As for Wolverine cutting his webbing, if Spider-Man unloaded on him, Wolverine wouldn't beable to cut through it.

1) So why has Spider-Man only done that to him ONCE in their several encounters?  Also, Wolverine escaped the next page (I believe)
2) I can assume based on their conversation that is what occured.  I'm simply stating it's off panel so neither of us can say 100% what went down.  But based on all of their encounters, I simply cannot agree to "we all know spider-man wins".  Can Spider-Man win?  Yes.  Can Wolverine win?  Yes.   I personally can see Wolverine taking a few more.

I'm backing Cyke an Wolvie on this one.

1. Done what once?
2. So based on the fact that every time they seriously fight, Spider-Man has outclassed him in strength, durability, speed, reflexes, and the fact that out of all their fights Wolverine has only managed to stab him once during a training session, you suggest that Wolverine would win more times? Ok...
3. Way to ignore the fact that he has no defense to his webbing.

1) Only webbed him once.  It was in the alleyway.  You used the example of spider-man's webbing as #1.
2) Spider-Man outclasses him in strength, yes, but based on all of their showings they are almost equals in speed.  Spider-Man even states that himself.  There is another fight on a rooftop where Wolverine had an advantage...And I'd say Spider-Man unleashing full force into Wolverine and having him just laughing says a lot.  It's not based on that one example, it's based on all of their showings, like I've already stated.  I don't have scans so don't bother asking, we'll just have to wait for someone else to post them.
3) Spider-Man needs to web him quickly in a position where he can not effectively slice through with his claws.  Like I've already stated (and clearly not ignored), Spider-Man has only done this to him once in their many encounters.

I know this is not cannon but afther playing "X-MEN ORIGINIS Wolverine" i just can't think of a whay for SM to put Logan down :P
Also all that Cyc needs is 1 aoe blast to kill the both of them. I can see team 1 winning most of them ...

Captain America would keep Wolverine at bay long enough  to the point Spider Man could grab his visor

@K4: I had a post, but my window crashed on me. I retype it later lol

1. He only used it against him once, cause there wouldn't be a fight if he just webbed him up everytime they fought.
2. Spider-Man greatly outclasses Wolverine in speed. Wolverine isn't even has great as Nightcrawler or Gambit. And Spider-Man outclasses them both. I've already read the fight where Wolverine was laughing. And as I said, it was due to the position of his head to the ground, if he had been sanding would would have been getting knocked around and eventually would have gone out if Spidey kept up with repeated hits.
3. Spider-Man doesn't have to web him in a certain position to contain him. If he unloads like he did against Iron Man or when he held up the Skyscrapper, it doesn't matter what Wolverine is doing. He will be suck in his place and the webbing would be too thick for him to cut through.

Scan 1: Spider-Man only did a thin layer of webbing and in a crappy position so that he could cut it. I'm talking about really unloading, like this:

Wolverine probally will take on Cap and Cyke will take on Spidey...

Cap would stand a good chance but in their last encounter before he died, he almost killed him.

Cyke willl just blast a Spidey until he hits him.... or use some close quarters combat on his but.

Case closed

1. I know they are fighting other people. But we started talking about just Wolverine vs Spider-Man. The other two would make this fight a little more random then their other fights. As for the webbing, my point was that if Spider-Man unleashed it the way he did, Wolverine couldn't do anything. It would be to thick for him to cut his way through. You said that Wolverine could just move, but if you look at that scan look how wide spread that is. Its covering an entire building, several stories up, Wolverine wouldn't be fast enough to avoid that. You said Wolverine has the advantage because they are in the dark, but really its the other way around. You chose pre-BND Spider-Man and that means he has the ability to see in the dark. So its going to be Wolverine who is going to have to rely on his other senses, not the other way around.
2. I'm pretty sure it was, but its been awhile since I've read that one. I'm not even sure if I would call that a fight either way. More just releasing some steam.
3. It looks awful, I mean Spider-Man is shooting a single stream of webs directly at the claw.
4. Wolverine is at peak human maybe slightly above it. Spider-Man's reacts at speeds 15 times faster than a normal human, before he was upgraded by the other. Since this is Spider-Man at his upgraded levels, he is even faster. Before his upgrades he was already able to move faster than the human eye can keep up with, so he should have no problem doing this to Wolverine.

1. Spider-Man doesn't normally fight that way. But I'm just saying if he chose to there really is nothing Wolverine could do about it.
2. Touche:P
3. It looks like he is going right at the claw. Just looks like a poorly written fight to me. Like I said DD and Spidey have both beaten Wolverine. There is no reason they should struggle together.
4. As I stated, Spider-Man if he really tries can move fast enough where Captain America could not see him. He has shown the ability to move this fast a lot, but when it comes to battling "normal" characters, they dumb him down for plot.

spidey and cap take this one but not in an easy fight....

and btw, cyke is not a pushover at all in h2h fighting so stop sayin he is no match for the better fighters like cap. in fact cyke could actually beat cap in a fight. he could go h2h for a bit using some of his judo training and whatnot to use caps strength against him but eventually his normal human attributes would get out macthed by cap. when that happenshe can move back to blasting him with his visor and since cap is nowhere near as fst and agile as spidey he would get KO'd...........................but it could also go the other way just as easily.

wolvie vs spidey could also go both ways but the majority of the time spidey wins cuz his levels of superhuman attributes OUTCLASS anybody in this matchup.

spidey vs cyke ends with cyke getting knocked the f out..........unless he gets a lucky shot in. he miight be a master tactician but you cant shoot at spidey like that. the only way i see him winning is with the aforementioned lucky shot or by getting spider to come straight at him then taking him out point blank.

wolvie vs cap is gonna be a 50-50 all the time.

so, im my books spidey has a shot at soloing this but its kindof maaybe...but with cap on his team they takes it

oh and by the way cyke is my favorite character, i just know when hes outclassed.....

btw, if he could remove his visor it would be a different story.................maybe....

spidey and cap ftw...

wolverine and cyclops because wolverine would beast Rogers and then e and cyclops would total spiderman 

okay fine then he wouldnt need a lucky shot but spiderman would still beat him the majority of times they fight so i still stick to my original choice

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