Cyclops/Wolverine vs Superior Spider-Man/Kraven

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In character (Partners are willing to work with each other although their attitude towards each other will be the same)

Cyclops and Wolverine know that Doc Ock is masquerading as Spider-Man

winner by KO, incapacitation or death

random encounter

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Pre AVX Cyclops

Opponents are 50 ft away from each other at an unpopulated city setting at night with plenty of cover (cars, trash bins etc.)

who'd win? For what reasons?

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Team 2, cyclops is rather slow, hell Deadpool dodges his optic blast. And since Superior Spider Man has very very loose morals he will not hold back.

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Team 2.

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SpOck beat them both already so he solos

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I could make an argument for ock soloing. He one shotted Logan.

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I'll go against the consensus and say team 1. 50' is a fairly long distance for team 2 to close, so Cyke has tons of time to shoot at them with his optic blasts, both tight and wide beams. And let's even say for the sake of argument that he doesn't take down SpOck...there's a good chance he could take out Kraven in that time. And if he does, then both Cyke and Wolverine against SpOck at close range could well be enough to take out SpOck. Recall that Cyke can still be shooting beams even from arm's length, so if Ock gets in close enough to punch, Cyke could still be blasting at him, it's pretty hard to miss at that range--especially while Wolverine is distracting Ock. --And that's only if he doesn't take out SpOck in the process of closing.

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@owie: in a close range scenario spock needs to touch either of them, for them to be incapped. He's physically stronger. Faster. Smarter. Superior tech don't forget his spider arms are very strong and can cut through some pretty strong material (2099 Spiderman suit). I just don't see cyclops or wolverine touching spock.

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@owie: in a close range scenario spock needs to touch either of them, for them to be incapped. He's physically stronger. Faster. Smarter. Superior tech don't forget his spider arms are very strong and can cut through some pretty strong material (2099 Spiderman suit). I just don't see cyclops or wolverine touching spock.

If Ock hits Cyke, Cyke is obviously going down. Wolverine can generally take his hits, not counting that one sucker punch. But in the time Ock takes to get to that range, Cyke can continually blast at him with a reasonably wide beam, and it would be pretty hard to not hit him the closer he gets. From a distance, it would be hard; Ock can jump all over. But as he gets closer, he fits by necessity more and more into the cone of Cyke's beam. And Wolverine has tangled with both Spidey and SpOck multiple times and can hang with him fine enough. Heck, even DD stayed with SpOck in a fight. Spidey's stats are way higher, but Ock doesn't have nearly the skill that Wolverine does, and that skill difference has been enough to keep normal Spidey from beating Logan easily in the past. And Ock is smarter but nowhere near the tactician that Cyke or Wolverine are. (Kraven is though.)

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@owie: the enviorment also aids spock though. OP clearly states that cars are just lying around. Ock has no remorse, so he would just start chucking cars at them as he begins to close ground. 50 ft is only like 16 yards. That's not very hard for him or kraven to close the difference. Also he has webbing which wolverine can't handle.

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#16 owie  Moderator

@owie: the enviorment also aids spock though. OP clearly states that cars are just lying around. Ock has no remorse, so he would just start chucking cars at them as he begins to close ground. 50 ft is only like 16 yards. That's not very hard for him or kraven to close the difference. Also he has webbing which wolverine can't handle.

Cars would be easy for Cyke to blast away. Or, even better, to deflect towards SpOck and Kraven. And while SpOck is much more violent than Peter, he's also much less lethal than he was as the real Doc Ock. He intentionally tried to keep within his own perception of Peter's morality, which at a minimum meant no killing.

50' is long enough to get off numerous optic blasts.

Wolverine can cut through webbing easily, although of course if he is very strategic about webbing just his hands to a wall or something like that, it's a problem.

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Could go either way.

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@owie: spock has killed before. And attempted to kill many people before. He tried to stay in the morality for like the first 3 issues. He even used a gun. Webbing comes out as a liquid so Logan can't actually cut it until it solidifies. Spock can get cyke in the blink of an eye if cyke has to deflect cars away while Spock closes in on them.

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