Cyclops and Storm vs the Black Widow

No powers, no weapons, strickly hand-to-hand combat. Fight takes place in an Octogon. Two rounds: morals on (fight until submission or KO) and morals off (fight to the death).

Who wins?

I say....... Cyclops and Storm, just because it is 2 on 1

Cyclops beat the entire X-men in HtH, with the help of Storm he'll defiantly win.

@acer51: Cyclops beats Wolverine in H2H?

Anyway, team should take this. Also, best picture of Storm EVER!

@Moonchilde: Sort of he flipped him over with judo.

@Moonchilde: Sort of he flipped him over with judo.

I reckon Scott is ~ Natalia in h2h.

With help from Ororo, team wins.

Widow wins.

Team for the win in both rounds. I also don't think either can take Black Widow 1-on-1 but fighting her together they would succeed. And though I normally love Jorge Molina's art, that pic of Storm is horrendous.

@nickthedevil said:

@acer51 said:

@Moonchilde: Sort of he flipped him over with judo.

I severely doubt that... i'd even call that PIS, or just writer stupidity forgetting that Wolverine is too good with H2H.

Not really PIS. IIRC it was when Logan was having issues with himself during that time period so he wasn't adept as he is today.

Black Widow

black widow ( if given enough prep time ) can handle this

but it's 2vs1 in a battle with no prep... black widow just gets crushed

Cyclops and Storm, they are both experienced in h2h and I don't think she could take on both at the same time.

@Lady_Liberty said:

Black Widow kinda sucks, so she will probably lose.

Please elaborate

@Lady_Liberty said:

@HBKTimHBK: No consistent history of good feats.

She fought pretty well against Elektra, it's good enough for me lol

@Ferro Vida said:

@HBKTimHBK said:

@Lady_Liberty said:

@HBKTimHBK: No consistent history of good feats.

She fought pretty well against Elektra, it's good enough for me lol

Find something good other then that. I'm not trying to be mean, it's really hard to find anything impressive other then that.

I'm not saying Widow wins, I'm just saying she's not a bad fighter. And Widow was injured at the time she fought Elektra, being able to stalemate someone like that can decently show she doesn't suck.

@Ferro Vida said:

@HBKTimHBK said:

@Ferro Vida said:

@HBKTimHBK said:

@Lady_Liberty said:

@HBKTimHBK: No consistent history of good feats.

She fought pretty well against Elektra, it's good enough for me lol

Find something good other then that. I'm not trying to be mean, it's really hard to find anything impressive other then that.

I'm not saying Widow wins, I'm just saying she's not a bad fighter.

Remember that one time Daredevil was kinda crazy and he broke her ankle? Remember how she just sorta dropped after that happened? Good times.

Daredevil is a superb fighter, superior to everyone in this match

@Ferro Vida said:

@HBKTimHBK said:

@Ferro Vida said:

@HBKTimHBK said:

@Ferro Vida said:

@HBKTimHBK said:

@Lady_Liberty said:

@HBKTimHBK: No consistent history of good feats.

She fought pretty well against Elektra, it's good enough for me lol

Find something good other then that. I'm not trying to be mean, it's really hard to find anything impressive other then that.

I'm not saying Widow wins, I'm just saying she's not a bad fighter.

Remember that one time Daredevil was kinda crazy and he broke her ankle? Remember how she just sorta dropped after that happened? Good times.

Daredevil is a superb fighter, superior to everyone in this match

I know. But it wasn't a fight. She tried to kick him, he caught her foot, then he snapped her ankle. Then she just went down. She is one of the most inconsistently written characters on the street level.

Losing to Daredevil isn't a poor feat, and I'm just arguing that she isn't a bad fighter. Being able to stalemate Elektra while injured is a pretty good feat.

@Ferro Vida: But Daredevil has also quickly beaten Elektra before as well.

@acer51 said:

@Moonchilde: Sort of he flipped him over with judo.

That must be a bad writing issue.Wolverine is good at H2H.

@Ferro Vida said:

@HBKTimHBK said:

@Ferro Vida: But Daredevil has also quickly beaten Elektra before as well.

When did that happen?

Wasn't much of a fight here either, and Daredevil wasn't exactly himself in the "encounter" shall we call it with Black Widow, even you said he was kinda crazy. (And on the observant side, he sounds like he's speaking to a dog. "NO! YOU DON'T COME HERE! NO!")

@Lady_Liberty said:

@HBKTimHBK: Its really about what Widow is played up to be, compared to what she is.

She is meant to be a highly enhanced human. Either peak human, or very close to it.

She was trained from a early age in Martial Arts, firearms, and acrobatics. In theory she is a master of these skills.

She is said to have great tactical and strategic abilities.

She has high tech gear, and the connections to stay very well equipped at all times.

All that should make her a cool and impressive character. But all she does is look pretty, and lose fights. She doesn't always lose to things that should defeat her either. Like the ankle breaking thing, and many other showings.

She should be Cap-Light + Bats-Light = Awesome.

Instead shes Bad Showings + Inconsistency = Lame.

This, lol

@Ferro Vida said:

@HBKTimHBK: You're kidding me, right? Matt was completely sane there. He thought Elektra was there to fight, so he jumped the gun because for the first time in a very long time things were going his way again. Did you actually read that story? Elektra didn't fight back there. She had come to talk.

And I said it wasn't much of a fight there either, like how Black Widow vs Daredevil wasn't much of a fight. And I never said Daredevil wasn't sane in that picture.

@Ferro Vida said:

@HBKTimHBK said:

@Ferro Vida said:

@HBKTimHBK: You're kidding me, right? Matt was completely sane there. He thought Elektra was there to fight, so he jumped the gun because for the first time in a very long time things were going his way again. Did you actually read that story? Elektra didn't fight back there. She had come to talk.

And I said it wasn't much of a fight there either, like how Black Widow vs Daredevil wasn't much of a fight. And I never said Daredevil wasn't sane in that picture.

No, it's completely different. Black Widow was actually trying to fight him. Elektra was not. And post the next page from that Daredevil comic. Go ahead.

She doesn't seem like she's trying to go in for a fight, she kicked him after he made the first move. In both of these instances, with Black Widow and Elektra, neither were going in wanting to fight.

@Ferro Vida said:

@HBKTimHBK: Elektra didn't even attempt to fight back.

Black Widow had more of an incentive to fight then Elektra.

@Ferro Vida said:

@HBKTimHBK said:

@Ferro Vida said:

@HBKTimHBK: Elektra didn't even attempt to fight back.

Black Widow had more of an incentive to fight then Elektra.

Which matters?

Elektra was dealing with a paranoid Matt

Black Widow was dealing with a Matt not in his right mind, who wanted a baby she was trying to protect

They both went into it not wanting to fight at all, and the only reason Widow fought is because Matt was screwed up and she had to keep hold of a baby that he wanted.

@Ferro Vida: And Elektra with Daredevil having better morals didn't fare much better