Someone once said the Henshaw beats any version of Mongul. if that's the case then he must be very powerful ( I don't know a whole lot about Henshaw so this will help me learn about him.)
well its really kinda hard to say i love mongul in any form or any version but cyborg superman is like godly level i mean not only is he godly level he has all the rings of every lantern core and has the abilities of the justice league and even if mongul wins cyborg superman has sinestro an the whole yellow core but mongul pc is very powerful is this bloodlust or no even then cyborg superman wins unless there prep prep yea mongul wud stomp without it he fights great but looses
Cyborg Superman for the win Yes Pre Crisis Mongul is more durable and a little stronger... but Cyborg Superman still has the speed advantage as well as the Tech Versatility. Hank could create some Energy Based Weapon to rock Pre Crisis Mongul and since PC Mongul is not fast enough to keep up with Cyborg Superman... PC Mongul wont be able to go on the offensive against him.
well its really kinda hard to say i love mongul in any form or any version but cyborg superman is like godly level i mean not only is he godly level he has all the rings of every lantern core and has the abilities of the justice league and even if mongul wins cyborg superman has sinestro an the whole yellow core but mongul pc is very powerful is this bloodlust or no even then cyborg superman wins unless there prep prep yea mongul wud stomp without it he fights great but looses
Okay so with prep Mongul would stomp but with out it he loses? Is the rings standard for Henshaw now?
@King Saturn said:
Cyborg Superman for the win Yes Pre Crisis Mongul is more durable and a little stronger... but Cyborg Superman still has the speed advantage as well as the Tech Versatility. Hank could create some Energy Based Weapon to rock Pre Crisis Mongul and since PC Mongul is not fast enough to keep up with Cyborg Superman... PC Mongul wont be able to go on the offensive against him.
Is Henshaw much faster then PC Superman? and there's no prep so can Henshaw create weapons on the fly with his own parts?
The Cyborg's only advantage is that he cannot be put down for good but he will lose any confrontation with someone as physically tough as PC Mongul even with the ring's unless of course they where PC ring's, I see no way he could actually beat him without plot device tech.
well its really kinda hard to say i love mongul in any form or any version but cyborg superman is like godly level i mean not only is he godly level he has all the rings of every lantern core and has the abilities of the justice league and even if mongul wins cyborg superman has sinestro an the whole yellow core but mongul pc is very powerful is this bloodlust or no even then cyborg superman wins unless there prep prep yea mongul wud stomp without it he fights great but looses
Okay so with prep Mongul would stomp but with out it he loses? Is the rings standard for Henshaw now?
@King Saturn said:
Cyborg Superman for the win Yes Pre Crisis Mongul is more durable and a little stronger... but Cyborg Superman still has the speed advantage as well as the Tech Versatility. Hank could create some Energy Based Weapon to rock Pre Crisis Mongul and since PC Mongul is not fast enough to keep up with Cyborg Superman... PC Mongul wont be able to go on the offensive against him.
Is Henshaw much faster then PC Superman? and there's no prep so can Henshaw create weapons on the fly with his own parts?
Cyborg Superman does not have to be faster than Pre Crisis Superman because Pre Crisis Mongul is not faster than Pre Crisis Superman... Pre Crisis Mongul has only shown battle awareness against Pre Crisis Superman... but no real Superhuman Reaction Time like we know Superman like characters have. Also, Henshaw can create weapons on the Fly because he made Kryptonite Based Energy Weapons in the midst of battle with Supergirl, Superboy and Steel.
Cyborg Superman does not have to be faster than Pre Crisis Superman because Pre Crisis Mongul is not faster than Pre Crisis Superman... Pre Crisis Mongul has only shown battle awareness against Pre Crisis Superman... but no real Superhuman Reaction Time like we know Superman like characters have.
But doesn't the fact that he's dominated most of his fights with Superman suggest he has an extremely fast reaction time and reflexes? And Pre Crisis Mongul has a lot more abilities then his Post Crisis counterpart that could possibly aid him in a fight against Henshaw.
Also, Henshaw can create weapons on the Fly because he made Kryptonite Based Energy Weapons in the midst of battle with Supergirl, Superboy and Steel.
That's very impressive but has he shown himself capable of making something that can damage PC Mongul?
Cyborg Superman does not have to be faster than Pre Crisis Superman because Pre Crisis Mongul is not faster than Pre Crisis Superman... Pre Crisis Mongul has only shown battle awareness against Pre Crisis Superman... but no real Superhuman Reaction Time like we know Superman like characters have.
But doesn't the fact that he's dominated most of his fights with Superman suggest he has an extremely fast reaction time and reflexes? And Pre Crisis Mongul has a lot more abilities then his Post Crisis counterpart that could possibly aid him in a fight against Henshaw.
Also, Henshaw can create weapons on the Fly because he made Kryptonite Based Energy Weapons in the midst of battle with Supergirl, Superboy and Steel.
That's very impressive but has he shown himself capable of making something that can damage PC Mongul?
1. Well he dominated fights against Superman because he is physically stronger... just as at times Despero was able to handle Superman, Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman all at once... this is a display of strength, not speed or even necessarily operational speed... same goes for Mongul... it's basically Superman vs Mongul muscling it out in a slugfest... Superman hardly uses his operational speed against Mongul... Henshaw should be faster because we know he has Superman template of physical attributes and if it's an all out battle he will utilize his speed... but lets say for the sake of battle Hank does not use his speed... you do realize Hank can regenerate his body right ? In some cases instantly... and since all Mongul will be throwing his punches and kicks... it's not like Hank will have much else to deal with... but even if Mongul used Energy Projection... Hank has tanked Energy Projection from Parallax ( Hal Jordan ) as well...
2. Hank can create other Energy Based Weapons on the Fly as well... shown by his encounters with The Eradicator when he used some other form of Energy Based Attack... now as far as damaging Mongul... well we know Mongul can be hurt because Superman has done it with strikes before... but Mongul's body is not like Hank's where he can regenerate from damage... so even if Mongul could tank some of Hank's initial Energy Based attacks... Hank could use other sources of Energy if need be... or even moreso... depending on where the fight is... Hank could take control of the Tech on the planet and use whatever resources they have for offense as well.
@King Saturn: Henshaw may have regeneration but it isn't the sort of regenration that makes you unbeatable he has been destroyed by attack's that are are weaker than what PC Mongul is capable of dishing out. Regardless of how his attacks are formed he has never shown enough power to take or even possibly hurt someone as durable as Mongul of that era and as far as I am aware he has no weaknesses.
1. Well he dominated fights against Superman because he is physically stronger... just as at times Despero was able to handle Superman, Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman all at once... this is a display of strength, not speed or even necessarily operational speed... same goes for Mongul... it's basically Superman vs Mongul muscling it out in a slugfest... Superman hardly uses his operational speed against Mongul... Henshaw should be faster because we know he has Superman template of physical attributes and if it's an all out battle he will utilize his speed... but lets say for the sake of battle Hank does not use his speed... you do realize Hank can regenerate his body right ? In some cases instantly... and since all Mongul will be throwing his punches and kicks... it's not like Hank will have much else to deal with... but even if Mongul used Energy Projection... Hank has tanked Energy Projection from Parallax ( Hal Jordan ) as well...
Okay I get what you mean. Henshaw is definitely versatile but PC Mongul does have an insane durability as evident in his fights with Superman. This is from there first actual fight.
So I guess the question is can Henshaw keep piling it on without getting Mongul getting his hands on him.
Also I remember during "the Reign of the Doomsdays" story, Superman ripped Henshaws Node out. has that happened before or was that just bad writing?
2. Hank can create other Energy Based Weapons on the Fly as well... shown by his encounters with The Eradicator when he used some other form of Energy Based Attack... now as far as damaging Mongul... well we know Mongul can be hurt because Superman has done it with strikes before... but Mongul's body is not like Hank's where he can regenerate from damage... so even if Mongul could tank some of Hank's initial Energy Based attacks... Hank could use other sources of Energy if need be... or even moreso... depending on where the fight is... Hank could take control of the Tech on the planet and use whatever resources they have for offense as well.
@King Saturn: I take it by posting this picture you think Henshaw stomps?
I'm not saying Henshaw would lose but surely this would be a battle of the ages.
Actually I don't think Cyborg Superman would stomp at all... I just like the picture. I really think it would be a tough fight... if I thought it would be a Stomp for Cyborg Superman I would not have had to put as much emphasis on why and how I think Henshaw would win. Cyborg Superman only has a few advantages... ( Super Speed, Energy Projection Versatility, Regenerative Healing Factor ) over Mongul... the Super Strength and Durability go in Pre Crisis Mongul's favor... and if by some odd change Hank was to engage in a slugfest with Mongul... he would probably be bashed into metal pieces... but Hank is not only to use simply Raw Strength like a Superman or Captain Marvel... Hank can use Energy Based Attacks for Offense and different kinds.
@TheTmac: There's no need to be sorry. PC Mongul can punch planets to pieces like they're nothing & Cyborg Superman was imprisoned by the Guardians, whom I believe Mongul (PC) is more powerful than.
@WarlordEternal: Cyborg Supes is a immortal superman without morals. There are very few characters that can beat him.
I wouldn't say a lot post crisis but there are a good few character's who can beat him and a lot who could beat him pre-crisis. He eventually comes back from being destroyed but there's nothing he can do to PC Mongul.
Nope You can't hit what you can't see... Cyborg Superman is faster than Pre Crisis Mongul as well as Cyborg Superman has the versatility advantage over Pre Crisis Mongul... even if Mongul was to attack Cyborg Superman with physical strikes he could come regenerate from the damage... it's not a stomp in anyone's favor but I see more significant advantages to the Cyborg.
@TheTmac: Post Crisis yeah not many can challenge him but this is Pre Crisis Mongul. The guy who slapped around Pre Crisis Superman who is far stronger then his Post Crisis self.
I'd definitely give an edge to Henshaw for versatility but Mongul has an Insane durability.
@logy5000: Cyborg Supes is faster than Mongul and its not like he doesnt have planet busting power. Being imprisoned by the Guardians isnt egxactly a low end feat and weather Mongul is more powerfull than them is highly debatable.
He's talking about Pre-Crisis Mongul, totally different beast, and that's a little unfair pitting a pc character against Henshaw, who's never really been able to take Superman indefinitely without a power up.
Nope You can't hit what you can't see... Cyborg Superman is faster than Pre Crisis Mongul as well as Cyborg Superman has the versatility advantage over Pre Crisis Mongul... even if Mongul was to attack Cyborg Superman with physical strikes he could come regenerate from the damage... it's not a stomp in anyone's favor but I see more significant advantages to the Cyborg.
OP doesn't say morals off & it's out of his morals to speedblitz. PC Mongul has made a fool out of PC Superman, who is above Henshaw.
His regeneration doesn't stop him from being KO'ed. A planet shattering punch should be enough to knock him out.
@TheTmac: He's faster but he doesn't use his speed in combat. Mongul is definitely stronger than Henshaw because he was stronger than PC Superman.
A simple blast from a guardian (which isn't even country level) was able to slightly injure him. An onslaught on planet level punches will definitely suffice.
If I recall correctly, Mongul's first appearance was not until the late 1970's... meaning that this is Bronze Age Superman ( Pre Crisis Superman ) not Silver Age Superman at this point.
@logy5000 said:
@King Saturn said:
@logy5000 said:
You guys have got to be kidding.
Mongul stomps.
Nope You can't hit what you can't see... Cyborg Superman is faster than Pre Crisis Mongul as well as Cyborg Superman has the versatility advantage over Pre Crisis Mongul... even if Mongul was to attack Cyborg Superman with physical strikes he could come regenerate from the damage... it's not a stomp in anyone's favor but I see more significant advantages to the Cyborg.
OP doesn't say morals off & it's out of his morals to speedblitz. PC Mongul has made a fool out of PC Superman, who is above Henshaw.
His regeneration doesn't stop him from being KO'ed. A planet shattering punch should be enough to knock him out.
What makes you think Hank has to have morals off to use Super Speed ? Hank does not have to Speedblitz to use his Super Speed... considering that Hank has a variety of Wide Range Attacks he can simply use Energy Based Attacks to handle Mongul and not even engage him in a Slugfest. You forget that PC Superman was well known as a Slugger, one who would disregard his super speed in battle to slug it out. Hank does not have to do that... especially considering what more he is capable of. Also, not all of PC Mongul's attacks are Planet Destroying... Hank can regenerate from blunt striking attacks anyways... at least if he does not continue to make the battle a slugfest which he has no reason to.
@King Saturn: If morals are on, Henshaw fights the way he normally does. More often than not, he likes to slug it out. He's not a b!tch that stands there using heat vision all day. Mongul would have no problem engaging h2h with Henshaw.
And a simple blast from a Guardian slightly injured him. A simple blast from the Guardians isn't even country level. A punch from Mongul can do much worse.
Henshaw doesn't regenerate THAT fast. For a while in SCW, half his arm was gone & it didn't regenerate for days. A punch from Mongul could eventually just knock his head off.
@logy5000: Guardians are way above country level and you are talking about post crisis Henshaw. Henshaw wins this he wont be holding back like Superman always does.
@King Saturn: If morals are on, Henshaw fights the way he normally does. More often than not, he likes to slug it out. He's not a b!tch that stands there using heat vision all day. Mongul would have no problem engaging h2h with Henshaw.
And a simple blast from a Guardian slightly injured him. A simple blast from the Guardians isn't even country level. A punch from Mongul can do much worse.
Henshaw doesn't regenerate THAT fast. For a while in SCW, half his arm was gone & it didn't regenerate for days. A punch from Mongul could eventually just knock his head off.
Hank does not always slug it out with his opponents... he did not do it in encounters with The Eradicator as well as Parallax... and you keep bringing up that Guardian thing as if it's some major knock on Cyborg Superman's durability... just because characters have low showings don't mean they are weak from the overall picture of what has been shown about them... I mean so what Cyborg Superman got hurt from a Guardian attack... that same Cyborg Superman tanked an attack from Parallax ( Hal Jordan )... I mean if we go by just anything than Pre Crisis Superman can be hurt by Lightning... or Despero ( the same guy who handled Captain Marvel, Superman, Wonder Woman all at once ) can be hurt by Sharks. Also, you have to consider the fact that just about everyone during SCW was significantly weaker... Anti Monitor was not the Universal Threat he was during his COIE days... the Parallax entity with Kyle Rayner was nowhere near as powerful as it was with Hal Jordan... the only character than was really powerful during the SCW run was Superboy Prime. As far as knocking off Hank's head... well Mongul has to get in close to do that... and he is too slow to keep up with Hank as well as Hank has the better Wide Range Attacks... so again, Hank does not have to get inside on Mongul to fight him that way... also, depending on where the fight is... Hank can use the Technology of the surroundings to his advantage as well.
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