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Honestly Savage probs takes it. I can't imagine Darhk taking Flash and Arrow at the same time without amps or prep (which will probably happen later on). Plus he killed Hawkman 206 times lolololol.
Going with Savage. Hawkman is pretty impressive, fast enough to react to Flash and defeat Arrow in hand to hand, was defeated countless times by Savage and he seemed pretty scared of Savage. Savage straight up demonstrated bullet time reflexes, which puts him above Darhk in agility. He should take the fight handily if he has his knife. However if Darkh lays a hand on him with his life draining powers, not sure how that would work out though. Still, leaning towards Savage due to him having healing feats, probably signifying that he could at least withstand the drain for a couple of moments to get a comeback.
If Savage gets the staff of horus then he probably wins. If not then Damien takes it.
I'm not really sure. Savage seems to be pretty resilient and I don't think we've seen either go full out (well Savage kind of did with the staff but he was fighting team flash, arrow, hawkman and hawkgirl at the same time so not a fair comparison). I'm leaning towards Damien without the staff though based on him being able to counter Savages projectiles, and he seems to have better stats as things stand.
EDIT: All though quick question when Diggle was shooting at Savage did he block a bullet with the staff, or what 0_o
@emperorxhadesx420: @mr-luxcipher: @shihan: @artistsupreme:
Has the recent episode of Arrow changed your opinion?
Dahrk TK's oliver 20 feet backwards through a glass door and ragdolls malcolm.
His TK seems to be able to affect people, as Dahrk was able to easily force-choke malcolm while keeping him suspended in the air.
It seems like Dahrk would turkeystomp savage at this point.
Darhk wins, mostly because of his TK. He's also stronger and has the life draining touch. And he recently showed some good durability and healing feats by tanking an explosion and quickly healing from getting shot by an arrow. Savage is faster but not enough to overcome Darhk's advantages. However if Savage has the Staff of Horus he wins.
@mrmxyzptlk: I'm on the West and haven't seen it yet.Lol
Darhk wins, mostly because of his TK. He's also stronger and has the life draining touch. And he recently showed some good durability and healing feats by tanking an explosion and quickly healing from getting shot by an arrow. Savage is faster but not enough to overcome Darhk's advantages. However if Savage has the Staff of Horus he wins.
Because of Vandal's showing in legends of tomorrow Darhk Stomps him
Savage dies a horrible death
what happened?
Because of Vandal's showing in legends of tomorrow Darhk Stomps him
Savage dies a horrible death
what happened?
In the beginning, this would've went to Savage handily. Now it feels like damn near everyone has beaten him (hyperbole, but you get the point). This goes to Damien.
In the beginning, this would've went to Savage handily. Now it feels like damn near everyone has beaten him (hyperbole, but you get the point). This goes to Damien.
Yeah, that is a hyperbole. He lost one fair fight, it was against Rip Hunter... that's it.
In the beginning, this would've went to Savage handily. Now it feels like damn near everyone has beaten him (hyperbole, but you get the point). This goes to Damien.
Yeah, that is a hyperbole. He lost one fair fight, it was against Rip Hunter... that's it.
You don't count him losing to Sara or Mick as fair fights?
In the beginning, this would've went to Savage handily. Now it feels like damn near everyone has beaten him (hyperbole, but you get the point). This goes to Damien.
Yeah, that is a hyperbole. He lost one fair fight, it was against Rip Hunter... that's it.
You don't count him losing to Sara or Mick as fair fights?
He was depowered against them.
In the beginning, this would've went to Savage handily. Now it feels like damn near everyone has beaten him (hyperbole, but you get the point). This goes to Damien.
Yeah, that is a hyperbole. He lost one fair fight, it was against Rip Hunter... that's it.
You don't count him losing to Sara or Mick as fair fights?
He was depowered against them.
I could be wrong, but I thought he was just mortal?
In the beginning, this would've went to Savage handily. Now it feels like damn near everyone has beaten him (hyperbole, but you get the point). This goes to Damien.
Yeah, that is a hyperbole. He lost one fair fight, it was against Rip Hunter... that's it.
You don't count him losing to Sara or Mick as fair fights?
He was depowered against them.
I could be wrong, but I thought he was just mortal?
The meteor is what gave Savage all of his powers. Overexposure to the meteor then temporarily removes them. His immortality came from the same place as all his other powers, it doesn't make sense that he would only lose that one ability and nothing else. Rip even called him "mortal now" and mortals don't typically have superhuman strength and speed. Both Sara and Mick were blocking his blows in ways that would be impossible if he were stronger than them.
They're in different cinematic tiers at this point.
Yeah I know, Savage nearly solo'd the Legends and Damien couldn't even beat Oliver. Jeez.
They're in different cinematic tiers at this point.
Yeah I know, Savage nearly solo'd the Legends and Damien couldn't even beat Oliver. Jeez.
Fite me m8
They're in different cinematic tiers at this point.
Yeah I know, Savage nearly solo'd the Legends and Damien couldn't even beat Oliver. Jeez.
Bruhh legends act incompotent near Savage, there is context to the figh and Damien is stupid as fk and Oliver has power of friendship power BS
They're in different cinematic tiers at this point.
Yeah I know, Savage nearly solo'd the Legends and Damien couldn't even beat Oliver. Jeez.
Bruhh legends act incompotent near Savage, there is context to the figh and Damien is stupid as fk and Oliver has power of friendship power BS
Such an exaggeration. Ray didn't shrink. That's literally all you can say about the Legends. Savage straight up manipulated them all, nearly tore them apart while stuck inside a cage, tricked them into releasing him and then went on a murder spree within their ship.
Captain Cold and Heatwave together couldn't land anything on him. He had them both on the run in a gunfight singlehandedly.
Everyone thought Ray was impenetrable until he had his own weapons turned against him.
Rip had to sacrifice himself to save Kendra.
Hawkman got fodderized as is usual.
After all that when Savage was exhausted and off-guard, Kendra, who was completely enraged, managed to land the finishing blow on him... and that was still pretty much PIS.
The Legends weren't incompetent. For some of them (Hawkman and Hawkgirl) they were the most competent they'd ever been. For Rip and Snart, they both got fantastic reflex feats. The only failing was that Ray decided not to shrink. As if curbstomping the Atom in hand-to-hand isn't impressive enough.
@wf_mxyzptlk: =P
In all honesty tell me what you think of this.
Season 4 made a clear, stark distinction between the abilities of a morals on Green Arrow, and a morals off Green Arrow. Which makes sense, all of Oliver's training comes from killers and assassins, and what they taught him was how to kill and assassinate. Nobody ever actually taught him how to gently neutralize an opponent without hurting or maiming them too bad, which is what he was trying to do this season. So fighting with restraint not to seriously injure people is a big handicap. And yet he was still skilled enough to go toe-to-toe with Vandal Savage, being the ONLY person capable of doing it actually, stalling him and disarming all his weapons singlehandedly, while morals on.
Yet Darhk utterly curbstomped a morals on Green Arrow, and has consistently been a threat to even a bloodlusted Green Arrow. Makes sense because Darhk was Ra's al Ghul's former partner. Meaning Darhk is a lot more skilled in the martial arts than Vandal Savage.
Basically Vandal Savage > Morals on Green Arrow, but Damien Darhk >>> Morals on Green Arrow.
Is that reasonable?
@wf_mxyzptlk: =P
In all honesty tell me what you think of this.
Season 4 made a clear, stark distinction between the abilities of a morals on Green Arrow, and a morals off Green Arrow. Which makes sense, all of Oliver's training comes from killers and assassins, and what they taught him was how to kill and assassinate. Nobody ever actually taught him how to gently neutralize an opponent without hurting or maiming them too bad, which is what he was trying to do this season. So fighting with restraint not to seriously injure people is a big handicap. And yet he was still skilled enough to go toe-to-toe with Vandal Savage, being the ONLY person capable of doing it actually, stalling him and disarming all his weapons singlehandedly, while morals on.
Yet Darhk utterly curbstomped a morals on Green Arrow, and has consistently been a threat to even a bloodlusted Green Arrow. Makes sense because Darhk was Ra's al Ghul's former partner. Meaning Darhk is a lot more skilled in the martial arts than Vandal Savage.
Basically Vandal Savage > Morals on Green Arrow, but Damien Darhk >>> Morals on Green Arrow.
Is that reasonable?
I always gave Vandal the benefit of the doubt in comparing to TK-less Darhk. You make a good point with scaling off of morals-on Oliver, but I think that doesn't fully resolve the issue. Look at the battle between Oliver and Vandal again. Their fight is very brief, all occurring over the span of a few seconds, and Vandal had the disadvantage. Oliver disarms vandal, then vandal outmaneuvers him and knocks him down, immediately pivoting to kill hawkman. The whole time, Vandal had to track the entire opposing team against him. He didn't have the luxury of focussing on only a single opponent, yet he still defeated Oliver. Sure, in that moment Oliver was his only enemy, but Savage still needed to keep an eye on the positions of all his opponents and preempt attacks from them.
Darhk, on the other hand, smashed Oliver, but it was in a one on one, and a morals-on Oliver later got the upper hand on a (admittedly not thinking clearly) Darhk. Yes, Darhk is clearly superior to a morals-on Ollie, but so is Savage, and Savage's situation gives him a solid excuse for being momentarily phased.
It also makes sense that Vandal would be better than Darhk in HTH. He's been at it for 4000 years to Darhk's 300, and hasn't had nearly the portfolio of mystical powers to fall back on. Darhk seems to be out of practice, and for good reason. By the end of the season Darhk has the power to clear streets of 200 people by shouting, blow up planes with hand gestures, atomise bullets, freeze and invert explosions, teleport, cause earthquakes, and kill people on the other side of the planet by concentrating. Oliver surviving against him was entirely out of Darhk's vanity, with Darhk keeping him alive to see the nuclear blast. Up until the moment Oliver became immune to his magic, Darhk not killing him was entirely out of choice. Even the ragdolling in the climactic fight was more to injure Oliver out of spite rather than kill him. If killing him were the goal, this would have happened.
Point-being, Darhk doesn't really have a need for being a CQC specialist, while CQC is Savage's bread-and-butter. So, I don't really feel comfortable putting Darhk over Vandal.
With Ra's in the mix too, I'd go for:
Morals off Oliver >= Ra's >= Vandal Savage >= CQC Darhk > Morals-on Oliver.
Greater or equal because it could definitely go the other way for many rounds.
@wf_mxyzptlk: I appreciate the input.
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