Without the Hammer Thor cannot fly, control weather and shoot lightning. So he is essentialy fighting with Super Strength and Durability?? I'm not too sure on Thor's can and cant's with the Hammer...
Thor is even without Mjolnir the strongest being on the planet, he wins.
He can't fly, he can't shoot lightning, all he can do is wrestle with super strength, something other beings like hercules and hulk can do way better than him
@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:
By Full-powered you mean RKT / Odin-Force Thor?
If so, Thor Stomps
when one says full powered thor they mean current thor at his healthiest and readiness, unless stated otherwise we also use the current verision
Thor is even without Mjolnir the strongest being on the planet, he wins.
He can't fly, he can't shoot lightning, all he can do is wrestle with super strength, something other beings like hercules and hulk can do way better than him
@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:
By Full-powered you mean RKT / Odin-Force Thor?
If so, Thor Stomps
when one says full powered thor they mean current thor at his healthiest and readiness, unless stated otherwise we also use the current verision
i wanna say magneto but i really don't know
Umm he actually can fly, control weather and lightning even without hammer. He can fly in the same manner as Storm by manipoulating the winds around him. I have scans to show you if you want.
wait how did I miss Thor doesn't have his hammer in this fight. LOL Magneto totally wins this. Thor can't fly or use any of his special abilities without his hammer.
Thor is even without Mjolnir the strongest being on the planet, he wins.
He can't fly, he can't shoot lightning, all he can do is wrestle with super strength, something other beings like hercules and hulk can do way better than him
@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:
By Full-powered you mean RKT / Odin-Force Thor?
If so, Thor Stomps
when one says full powered thor they mean current thor at his healthiest and readiness, unless stated otherwise we also use the current verision
i wanna say magneto but i really don't know
Umm he actually can fly, control weather and lightning even without hammer. He can fly in the same manner as Storm by manipoulating the winds around him. I have scans to show you if you want.
Yea he can but not at the extent with the hammer. The hammer is what makes him Thor with out it he's just that super strong guy who can kinda control the weather.
Thor. Even without Mjolnir, Thor can still project energy of sufficient levels to do some serious damage. Not sure if he requires Mjolnir to use his Gaia powers, since that is supposed to come from him. Same with his godblast. I think that solely comes through him, and he just directs that through Mjolnir. Mjolnir is just a tool. Thor is a god. He may rely on it more than he should, but that doesn't mean he needs it to beat a mere mutant.
Of course, my argument is very shakey, and reliant on ideas I'm by no means certain on. But with Thor's durability, I doubt Magneto will be hurting him. And if nothing else, Thor could just remind people why he's the God of Thunder with a thunderclap. Not a typical move for him (in fact I don't think he's ever used it), but with his strength, an argument could be made for it's effectiveness.
wait how did I miss Thor doesn't have his hammer in this fight. LOL Magneto totally wins this. Thor can't fly or use any of his special abilities without his hammer.
Magneto can just keep his distance.
HE CAN USE NEARLY EVERY SPECIAL ABILITY WITHOUT HIS HAMMER AND YES HE CAN FLY
"Current Thor" loses to everyone. One optic blast put him down. knocked on his ass by Rachel Grey, knocked the hell out by Emma Frost physically, knocked out by Captain Mar-Vell...
Thor is even without Mjolnir the strongest being on the planet, he wins.
He can't fly, he can't shoot lightning, all he can do is wrestle with super strength, something other beings like hercules and hulk can do way better than him
@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:
By Full-powered you mean RKT / Odin-Force Thor?
If so, Thor Stomps
when one says full powered thor they mean current thor at his healthiest and readiness, unless stated otherwise we also use the current verision
i wanna say magneto but i really don't know
Umm he actually can fly, control weather and lightning even without hammer. He can fly in the same manner as Storm by manipoulating the winds around him. I have scans to show you if you want.
While I know he can hover without Mjolnir, I never know he could fly like Storm. Can you post those scan please sir.
wait how did I miss Thor doesn't have his hammer in this fight. LOL Magneto totally wins this. Thor can't fly or use any of his special abilities without his hammer.
Magneto can just keep his distance.
HE CAN USE NEARLY EVERY SPECIAL ABILITY WITHOUT HIS HAMMER AND YES HE CAN FLY
sorry but Thor isn't taking down Mags without his hammer.
wait how did I miss Thor doesn't have his hammer in this fight. LOL Magneto totally wins this. Thor can't fly or use any of his special abilities without his hammer.
Magneto can just keep his distance.
HE CAN USE NEARLY EVERY SPECIAL ABILITY WITHOUT HIS HAMMER AND YES HE CAN FLY
sorry but Thor isn't taking down Mags without his hammer.
What can Magneto do to him? Thor is durable enough to withstand Magneto's best attacks and then Thor can just blast him with lightning, or he can remove oxygen from his lungs, or he can godblast him
Mags gathers some iron and wraps it around Thor's arms like a wristband. Then, he polarizes the Iron into same poles. Thor is quite strong, but is he strong enough to overcome one of the fundamental forces of physics?
Umm he actually can fly, control weather and lightning even without hammer. He can fly in the same manner as Storm by manipoulating the winds around him. I have scans to show you if you want.
He cannot fly, something Stan Lee specifically stated and there is a whole issue dealing with the same thing.
Other abilities (excluding godblast) should still work though.
Look not taking anything away from Thor here. If you give him his hammer I'd give him the win, but this Magneto we are talking about. This isn't movie Magneto or cartoon Magneto, this is comic 616 team wrecker Magneto. I mean you guys are acting like this man is chop liver.
Thor is still dangerous without his hammer, but he is not nearly as deadly or versatile without mjolnir nor does he have the range and speed in terms of attacks he normally would with his hammer.
You know how much harder it would be for Thor to get through Magneto's shields without his hammer? Magneto has one of the most powerful energy shields/barriers on Marvel earth, he's definitely got the tactical advantage in this fight now.
Look not taking anything away from Thor here. If you give him his hammer I'd give him the win, but this Magneto we are talking about. This isn't movie Magneto or cartoon Magneto, this is comic 616 team wrecker Magneto. I mean you guys are acting like this man is chop liver.
Thor is still dangerous without his hammer, but he is not nearly as deadly or versatile without mjolnir nor does he have the range and speed in terms of attacks he normally would with his hammer.
You know how much harder it would be for Thor to get through Magneto's shields without his hammer? Magneto has one of the most powerful energy shields/barriers on Marvel earth, he's definitely got the tactical advantage in this fight now.
You still didn't explain how Magneto can breath without oxygen.
When has thor removed oxygen from someone's lungs?
@BigCimmerian said:
Thor can just godblast him
The godblast is an inherent ability of Thor's, but he can only do it with mjolnir. Mjolnir channels Thor's life force.
I've never seen Thor remove oxygen from somenone's lungs, but I've seen him remove oxygen from the air to extinguish fire. You are right that Mjolnir channels Thor's life force, but it only channels at specific target, without Mjolnir Thor can unleash godblast all around him.
It's freaking ridiculous people think Thor couldn't take magneto without the hammer. If that's the case, they should just do away with thor and make the mighty mjolnir for Marvel Now!. Thor still has weather control abilities without mjolnir and this has been stated several times over many years. He wouldn't even need the weather though if he is bloodlusted. He has cracked the armor of celestials and slammed mjolnir so hard that whole planets shook and mountain ranges crumbled. Well thats not the hammer giving him that strength. I'm pretty sure mags forcefeild isn't going to do much here.
Look not taking anything away from Thor here. If you give him his hammer I'd give him the win, but this Magneto we are talking about. This isn't movie Magneto or cartoon Magneto, this is comic 616 team wrecker Magneto. I mean you guys are acting like this man is chop liver.
Thor is still dangerous without his hammer, but he is not nearly as deadly or versatile without mjolnir nor does he have the range and speed in terms of attacks he normally would with his hammer.
You know how much harder it would be for Thor to get through Magneto's shields without his hammer? Magneto has one of the most powerful energy shields/barriers on Marvel earth, he's definitely got the tactical advantage in this fight now.
You still didn't explain how Magneto can breath without oxygen.
@TheGodofThunder: If i remember correctly that didn't hurt the Chaos King. CK didn't scream or fall or anything( i think i could be remembering wrong. But magneto has tanked Thor's lightning before and his shields have tanked nukes.
@pooty: well dang. you have scans. You are swaying me to say this is a longer battle than I originally thought. Even if it didn't hurt CK, he still killed glory.
@TheGodofThunder: No i don't have scans. I'm not even sure i'm remembering it right about Chaos King(i'm pretty sure tho). lol. he did kill Glory but Glory had no defenses like a shield. On the a previous pages i showed Mags taking hits from Mjolnir and She-hulk with no effect. He blasted herc away who is close to Thor in strength. The scans show Mags controlling peoples blood so they cant move. Mags can negate gravity. if you want scans of any of those things let me know.
@pooty: I think it at least tickled him, lol. Glory may not have sheilds, but I would put god/abstract being above mags. I hate to have to say this because it is stupid, but thor always holds back against mortals and she hulk isnt as strong as him anyways. Don't know what to say about herc though. Thor has survived many things that a human can't so not even sure if stopping blood flow would do anything and thor doesn't need to move to summon the storm. Not saying it wouldn't be an amazing and hard fought battle, but I just don't see a bloodlusted thor losing. Thor does have one major disadvantage though. He doesn't need mjolnir to use his jobbing powers either, lol.
@TheGodofThunder: I think it at least tickled him, lol
I can agree with that.
but I would put god/abstract being above mags
Glory has no feats and all god abstract beings are not created equal. One attack killed Glory. I don't think that attack would kill Odin or a Celestial. i really have no idea how strong Glory is
but thor always holds back against mortal. but I just don't see a bloodlusted thor losing
I know of 2 times Thor was blood lusted. In "Blood and Thunder" and against Maestro Hulk. Even blood lusted thor didn't use god blast or storms of 1,000 worlds or anti-matter against his foes. So I see no reason a blood lusted Thor would use those attacks against a mortal. Thor seems to reserve those attacks for Universal threats. Even if he wanted to i think Mags could distract him long enough so Thor couldn't pull them off.
Thor has survived many things that a human can't so not even sure if stopping blood flow would do anything
Very true but Thor still is a humanoid. He has to breathe, sleep and eat. he has been Ko'ed, killed and hurt before. so his body is based off of human physiology. His heart has to beat and his veins have to carry blood. magneto can stop all that. If Thor was powered by magic like Juggernaut is then I could see your point. But thor has the same weaknesses as a human just at a higher thresh hold.
Nevertheless, i understand your points. A Mjolnir-less Thor is still a threat.
Glory has no feats and all god abstract beings are not created equal. One attack killed Glory. I don't think that attack would kill Odin or a Celestial. i really have no idea how strong Glory is
I'm pretty sure most would agree that glory is above a mortal. I didn't get to read the issue but the one attack could be explained away because it was only a two issue mini/PIS.
I know of 2 times Thor was blood lusted. In "Blood and Thunder" and against Maestro Hulk. Even blood lusted thor didn't use god blast or storms of 1,000 worlds or anti-matter against his foes. So I see no reason a blood lusted Thor would use those attacks against a mortal. Thor seems to reserve those attacks for Universal threats. Even if he wanted to i think Mags could distract him long enough so Thor couldn't pull them off.
I'm not saying he's going to use a god blast or a storm of 1,000 worlds or anti-matter which he never uses anymore, but I do believe he'd use the lightning. The thing is both of them are bloodlusted. Because he is in this state I don't think mags would put his force field up immediately if at all. Thor has demonstrated speed enough to take a bloodlusted magneto (a magneto that isn't thinking clearly) down before he can put a force field up.
Very true but Thor still is a humanoid. He has to breathe, sleep and eat. he has been Ko'ed, killed and hurt before. so his body is based off of human physiology. His heart has to beat and his veins have to carry blood. magneto can stop all that. If Thor was powered by magic like Juggernaut is then I could see your point. But thor has the same weaknesses as a human just at a higher thresh hold.
Humanoid =/= human. Thor does not need to breathe since he has been shown in space without a helmet recently (see mighty thor #5 I believe). I'm almost positive he doesn't NEED to eat except a golden apple once in awhile to replenish his supposed immortality, even though he has died before, lol. He has been petrified by the gargoyle before and lived. So the idea that he has the same weaknesses as a human, but at a higher threshold is still a subject for debate.
Magneto is still a beast though. They should've had those two battle in AvX:versus instead.
@TheGodofThunder: You're right Thor can breathe in space now. I remember The avengers were on the oxygen side of the moon and he had to "fill his lungs with air" before he took off. Also Mags is very quick with his shield. He was able to stop Pulsar(in light form) from attacking him and we know light travels faster then lightning. So Mags reflexes are top notch. Thor with Mjolnir beats Mags as he has before. Without mjolnir, i'm not so sure.
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