#1 Edited by nickzambuto (12833 posts) - - Show Bio

The Thing, as he has appeared in recent Marvel stories, vs Colossus in the same way. This is a battle of showings, no handbook BS or anything like that, just feats.

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CLASSIC FEATS DO COUNT. But both characters have improved in recent years, so we're going by the beginning of 2000 as their normal.

Colossus BEFORE HE TURNED INTO JUGGERNAUT.

Morals OFF

Fight in a Roman colosseum.

NOBODY CARES WHAT THE HANDBOOKS SAY.

#2 Posted by God_Spawn (37293 posts) - - Show Bio

The Thing wins. The only difference I even see in this thread than the other half a dozen Colossus vs Thing threads is there are no morals, so I shall allow it.

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#3 Posted by laflux (14086 posts) - - Show Bio

The Thing wins. The only difference I even see in this thread than the other half a dozen Colossus vs Thing threads is there are no morals, so I shall allow it.

I take pleasure in second guessing your decision and asking what @vance_astro thinks

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#4 Edited by God_Spawn (37293 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux: If Vance can find a no morals one, fine. There is not one I know of.

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#5 Edited by Hyper_God (933 posts) - - Show Bio

Current Thing survived an afterwave from a Celestial blast fairly recently . Current Colossus got 2-shotted by Thor very recently . Clearly , Thing wins .

#6 Edited by jashro44 (19505 posts) - - Show Bio

Current colossus is having problems with his powers iirc.

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#7 Edited by Vance Astro (91104 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux: If Vance can find a no morals one, fine. There is not one I know of.

Just being perfectly honest our search engine for threads is garbage. I doubt i'll find one with morals on if you didn't.

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#8 Posted by God_Spawn (37293 posts) - - Show Bio
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#9 Edited by God_Spawn (37293 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

Current colossus is having problems with his powers iirc.

As long as he wears his magic button, he's fine. He's just regular old Colossus that way.

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#10 Posted by Vance Astro (91104 posts) - - Show Bio

This is like a 50/50 fight. Neither is much stronger than the other, neither is a much better fighter than the other, neither is more durable, Colossus is probably slightly more intelligent and probably faster but those are also slim margins, it's really hard to say who would win. I don't think either has any real advantage.

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#11 Posted by Anal_Vomit (759 posts) - - Show Bio

The Thang but a slim margin

#12 Edited by venomoushatred1001 (12334 posts) - - Show Bio

Current Thing survived an afterwave from a Celestial blast fairly recently . Current Colossus got 2-shotted by Thor very recently . Clearly , Thing wins .

Getting two-shotted by Thor isn't really a low end feat for Colossus.

#13 Posted by capall2 (1428 posts) - - Show Bio

Has Thing received a power boost of some sort? Whats the difference between Thing and current thing?

#14 Posted by dondave (34231 posts) - - Show Bio

This is like a 50/50 fight. Neither is much stronger than the other, neither is a much better fighter than the other, neither is more durable, Colossus is probably slightly more intelligent and probably faster but those are also slim margins, it's really hard to say who would win. I don't think either has any real advantage.

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#15 Edited by Rickbarry (1752 posts) - - Show Bio

@hyper_god: What's a celestial afterwave? Is it any different than the celestial beam that hit Colossus in Uncanny? Also, didn't Thor drop Thing when he was amped up in fear itself? I want to say he threw Mjolnir through him effortlessly. So, I don't think using the Thor is a proper comparison. Colossus got hit twice, got up and drove off in a car.

I waver from thread to thread, but without morals I'll go with Colossus. A raging Colossus most always freaks his teammates out as they didn't realize he was capable of being so destructive.

#16 Posted by Hyper_God (933 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomoushatred1001: Based on ?

@rickbarry: Thing jumped directly in front of s blast that was aimed at the rest of the F4 . The blast was deflected in all directions , including Thing's . He tanked in the oncoming energy wave . Completely incomparable with Sinister-Controlled Tiamut that was fighting the X-Tinction team . Not to mention that Colossus was amped in that instance as well , unlike Thing . Thing also held his own against the very same amped Colossus in AvX , and would likely have won were it not for Cyttorak's unstoppable enchantment .

Thing wins without a shadow of a doubt .

#17 Edited by Rickbarry (1752 posts) - - Show Bio

@hyper_god: I dunno. I'd have to see a scan of this blast. I don't really read current F4. Also, Colossus wasn't amped in the scene. Why is it not usable? He only used the power once he landed. As far as AvX goes...I might be misremembering, but Thing unloaded on him and it didn't do anything. In fact using Colossus with the Juggernaut powers doesn't really work as he held back all the time with the exception of the Rulk fight and the whole Magik revelation.

Meh, I think saying without a shadow of a doubt is being a bit wishy washy. Especially one without morals.

#18 Edited by ComicStooge (11991 posts) - - Show Bio

@vance_astro said:

This is like a 50/50 fight. Neither is much stronger than the other, neither is a much better fighter than the other, neither is more durable, Colossus is probably slightly more intelligent and probably faster but those are also slim margins, it's really hard to say who would win. I don't think either has any real advantage.

To go on a space mission like Ben did, you need either two Master's degrees or a PhD, he's smart enough to pilot highly advanced space crafts and he can usually understand Reed's technobable and can even translate it into layman's terms, if he needs to. Not to mention he's been watching Reed for so long, he can even make some of Reed's inventions.

I'd wager Ben Grimm is the smarter of the two or they're at least equal.

#19 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12334 posts) - - Show Bio

@hyper_god: Based on the fact that Thor is a god with a sh!t load of feats that completely outclass Colossus.

#20 Posted by Vance Astro (91104 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge said:

@vance_astro said:

This is like a 50/50 fight. Neither is much stronger than the other, neither is a much better fighter than the other, neither is more durable, Colossus is probably slightly more intelligent and probably faster but those are also slim margins, it's really hard to say who would win. I don't think either has any real advantage.

To go on a space mission like Ben did, you need either two Master's degrees or a PhD, he's smart enough to pilot highly advanced space crafts and he can usually understand Reed's technobable and can even translate it into layman's terms, if he needs to. Not to mention he's been watching Reed for so long, he can even make some of Reed's inventions.

I'd wager Ben Grimm is the smarter of the two or they're at least equal.

When I said Colossus is probably "slightly more intelligent" I meant in combat.

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#21 Posted by Vance Astro (91104 posts) - - Show Bio
@capall2 said:

Has Thing received a power boost of some sort? Whats the difference between Thing and current thing?

The Thing has had several power boosts. I don't know that he's had one that is that recent though.

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#22 Posted by capall2 (1428 posts) - - Show Bio

@vance_astro: hmm...I see...I think you pretty much covered this then...I don't see either with any significant advantage in terms of their physical stats...I could see this going either way...

#23 Posted by Hyper_God (933 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomoushatred1001: The very same god that's been getting KO'd left and right by low level Eternal bricks and random Badoon guns ? Yeah , compared to Thing tanking a Celestial blast unamped , Colossus' two-shot by Thor is indeed a low feat .

#24 Posted by Hyper_God (933 posts) - - Show Bio

@rickbarry: I would have provided the scan to you(it's right there in my image archive on comicvine) , but for the fact that I like to encourage people to read comics on their own . Read Fantastic Four #603(Hickman's run) and realize the truth of my words .

Thing smashed his helmet and was taking the fight to him , until Colossus' unstoppable hax enchantment kicked and he managed to bfr Thing outside to the airless area of the Blue Area of the moon .

#25 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12334 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomoushatred1001: The very same god that's been getting KO'd left and right by low level Eternal bricks and random Badoon guns ? Yeah , compared to Thing tanking a Celestial blast unamped , Colossus' two-shot by Thor is indeed a low feat .

Every character has low feats plus he holds back on all earthly enemies. He said it himself multiple times. Plus he has recently been written back to his classic levels. Hell, he was shattering planets with his blows, hit Gorr so hard it created a black hole, survived being inside a sun, and held a freakin moon together in Thor: God of Thunder.

Colossus getting two-shotted by Thor is by no means a low end feat because Thor is VASTLY more powerful than him.

#26 Edited by comic_book_fan (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

@hyper_god:

I agree with this guy.

the thing destroyed 4 kree centurys you know those thing it usually takes a whole avengers roster to beat 1 of.

and he would have learned a lot from reed ben isn't as dumb as he acts he has shown this plenty of times.

#27 Posted by pooty (10794 posts) - - Show Bio

I just read AVX and Ben got manhandled that whole fight. It was a beat down. This fight is 50/50. neither has much advantage.

#28 Posted by comic_book_fan (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty:

he hurt colossus even though he had the juggernaut powers if he didn't have those powers that punch would have probably knocked him out.

#29 Posted by pooty (10794 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty:

he hurt colossus even though he had the juggernaut powers if he didn't have those powers that punch would have probably knocked him out.

That is not true my friend. I LITERALLY have the book in front of me. No where did Colossus express any pain or side effects from anything Ben Grim did. The best thing he did was throw a rock down colossus throat. Thing did NOT hurt Colossus one bit.

#30 Posted by comic_book_fan (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

there is a part where ben hits him so hard that his helmet disappears and his head flys back and you clearly see a look of pain on his face.

#31 Posted by Rickbarry (1752 posts) - - Show Bio

@hyper_god: @comic_book_fan: I really wouldn't count anything that happened in the AvX vs mini. Unless you think Domino could really defeat Red Hulk with a gigantic mallet. If so, then yeah, Thing is capable of beating Juggernaut.

I think both are capable of high durability feats, but I don't think either can really knock the other out. So it's a question of stamina in my mind. Ben gets tired. Colossus doesn't. He would eventually win.

#32 Posted by God_Spawn (37293 posts) - - Show Bio

@rickbarry: Rulk KO'd Colossus in 3 hits...just saying. And to be fair to Ben, he doesn't get swamped in minutes. I don't see the fight lasting a few hours, so I doubt stamina will come into play.

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#33 Posted by Diamondlifer1 (128 posts) - - Show Bio

Colossus wins, He cant get tired

#34 Posted by spiderbuck (2441 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm going with Ben here.

#35 Edited by Rickbarry (1752 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn: Yeah, but didn't Colossus let him win the fight? I don't remember. I just recall him seeing a bunny rabbit or something so he powered down.

#36 Edited by God_Spawn (37293 posts) - - Show Bio

@rickbarry: he did wanna lose. My point was he was still ko d in three punches

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#37 Posted by comic_book_fan (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

@rickbarry:

no I was saying he hurt him while he was amped without the power up ben wins.

#38 Edited by Rickbarry (1752 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn: Sure, I'm with ya, but is Thing confirmed to be stronger than Rulk? I dunno what his knock out power has to do with Ben's.

Also to comic_book_fan. The book also put out this fight an issue later. I disregard it entirely.

#39 Edited by Hyper_God (933 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomoushatred1001: Let's compare Thor to the Celestials that tried to kill the FF . Thor , in those days , was getting KO'd left and right by fodder characters and nameless bricks . The Mad Celestials , on the other hand , fought wielders of alternate Infinity Gauntlets and Ultimate Nullifiers on even grounds . They defeated an amped Galactus . They survived a point-blank shot from a reality-destroying weapon that killed an alternate Beyonder . They managed to neutralize kid Franklin Richards . Etc. etc.

You might find it to be your prerogative to claim that being two-shotted by Thor isn't necessarily a low-end feat for Piotr and in some cases you might be right . Thor has had his share of high-end feats that absolutely shit upon the levels at which bricks like Thing and Colossus normally operate . There is absolutely no comparison however , between being beaten up by Thor and surviving a Celestial kill-shot . Compared to Ben's feat , Piotr's beatdown at the hands of Thor might as well be a low-end showing . See where I am getting at ?

#40 Posted by Hyper_God (933 posts) - - Show Bio

@rickbarry: You need to stop comparing the Rulk fight with the Thing fight . One was obviously a humor-oriented fanservice aimed at the Rulk-haters(people who keep complaining how he was able to affect the likes of Dormammu and Uatu) and the other was a serious fight which Colossus ultimately won thanks to Cyttorak's hax enchantment .

Fact is , Ben's latest feats of durability feats(tanking a Celestial blast and being in proximity to the Big Bang in a chrono-displacement field) are far and away better then anything that Piotr has shown as of late . This is Grimm's fight to lose , and this much is an established fact , not up for debate .

#41 Posted by pooty (10794 posts) - - Show Bio

@rickbarry:

there is a part where ben hits him so hard that his helmet disappears and his head flys back and you clearly see a look of pain on his face.

Just looked at the comic before I posted. His helmet disappears and his head flys back because Ben is strong enough to move him. but there is no pain in his face. Colossus mouth stays closed. he doesn't let out any sound. no spit or blood is shown. he looks angry and annoyed. not hurt. Those blows would have hurt normal Colossus but it's impossible to say how much.

#42 Posted by comic_book_fan (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

@rickbarry:

well it is possible she has power over probability so she could by pure luck beat rulk.

and yes ben hurt colossus.

#43 Posted by Rickbarry (1752 posts) - - Show Bio

@hyper_god: Ok, so I actually read the fantastic four issue you're referring to. To say I was unimpressed was an understatement. I'd have to assume these were the weakest Celestials of all time (or worst writing of all time) considering that Sue Storm tanked a trio of blasts from three Celestials AND STILL GOT UP. If Sue Storm can survive a trio of celestial fire while her shield is down...why should I be impressed that Thing tanked it and couldn't stand up afterward? Heck, everyone in the issue took the same blast and were just fine a few panels later.

You should reread the AvX mini then if you want to take it seriously. Colossus wasn't even trying and he hammered Grimm. He inner monologued the entire fight like he did with Spiderman and Rulk. If you want to argue that he could take regular ol' Petey that's fine, but to say he was hurting Colossus when he wasn't even trying as Juggernaut is just not true.

#44 Posted by Hyper_God (933 posts) - - Show Bio

@rickbarry: Sue clearly tanked their blasts...even though a few panels earlier the Celestials told her to get out of the way so they could finish off Reed , thereby making clear their intent to not hurt her ? Unlike Ben just straight up survived a clear-cut killshot from one of them ?

Anyways , using this showing to dishonestly lowball the Mad Celestials as the "weakest Celestials of all time" while ignoring everything else they achieved under Hickman's run(staggering Galactus , Mister Franklin , surviving a nuking from an IG wielding Reed , tanking a blast from a UN etc) .

He gained the advantage only thanks to Cyttorak's enchantment . And we haven't even taken into account the fact that Cyttorak himself admitted in the very same series that he had given Colossus more power than Marko had ever received, because of some bullsh1t about how heroes cause a lot of destruction in their wake .

The fact that you have to use a showing in which Ben actually performed competitively against an amped Colossus shows that this is Grimm's fight to lose .

#45 Posted by mrtrevorguy (1198 posts) - - Show Bio

I personally think thing wins, but I like colossus more