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#1 Posted by Swagga Boy (3769 posts) - - Show Bio

My mohawk looks good!
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#2 Posted by Sasuke (397 posts) - - Show Bio

Prime time wins this one.

#3 Edited by Ball Buster (2041 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know.Gladiator w/ the uni-power  with unlimited power and confidence knowing he had it.It would be hard to see him losing.

#4 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
Ball Buster said:
"I don't know.Gladiator w/ the uni-power  would unlimited power and confidence knowing he had it.It would be hard to see him losing."
I agree.
#5 Posted by the creator (8560 posts) - - Show Bio

Typical powers granted by the Uni Power (as per the OHOTMU) are,

"The Uni-Power can be manipulated by each Captain Universe in a variety of ways, dependent upon each recipient's imagination and strength. The Uni-Power amplifies strength about fifty times Thus if a person can normally lift (press) 150 pounds, he or she would now be able to lift approximately 7,500 pounds. Each Captain Universe is also granted the ability to fly by harnessing the Uni-Power's energy to generate antigravitions. The Uni-Power also grants the ability to manipulate structure of objects, changing one shape into another, or even transmuting the elements of an object from one substance to another. This power of molecular manipulation extends to both organic and inorganic matter. Thus the Uni-Power can be used to heal wounds by rearranging the molecules of flesh, tissues or organs, or it can be used to alter the physical characteristics of a person (enlarging the hands of changing their features). The Uni-Power can also be wielded like an energy-beam, generating a luminous burst of energy with a concussive force determined to an extent by the user's ability. The Uni-Power also grants each Captain Universe Uni-Vision which enable the user to see the molecular structure of an object, to see through walls, or to see long distances away. The Uni-Vision is emitted by Captain Universe's eyes and produces a visible beam of energy. This energy has certain hypnotic-side-effects: a skillful wielder of the Uni-Vision can use it to hypnotize people into telling the truth."


Gladiator empowered by the Uni Pwer is a very frightening concept.
The Uni power augments strength by 50 times and also enhances reaction speed and durability significantly.
Even with these increases, I still think that SMP is the stronger and more durable of the 2, but it would enable Gladiator to hang in the battle longer.
Don't forget that SMP has pushed planets out of orbit and this shows strength potentially hundreds of times greater than current Superman (based on their respective big feats).
However, the real power increase for Gladiator lies in the granted ability to manipulate matter, including organics. He could therefore use this power to attack SMP with.
Now although it sounds like this could spell doom for SMP, it is worthwhile noting the following points,

1. Superman (current) has resisted some matter manipulation attacks thanks to the forceield he projects and the binding forces between the cells of his body (according to some texts). SBP is far more durable and thus much harder to hurt in a like manner.
2. SMP has faught against both Monarch and the Guardians, both of who can manipulate matter on a large scale (Monarch thanks to energy control, the Guardians thanks to their TK). Neither of these beings attacked him in this manner, perhaps supporting the concept that he cannot be affected by this means of attack.
3. He resisted the energies of the Anti-monitor with out injury even when they started to consume a Guardian, which shows the sheer resistance of SMP's body to 'change'.
4. PC Kryptonians have resisted some examples of matter manipulation or in some cases, the temporary change was healed back (reversed) by their invulnerability snapping their body back to the form it should be.

My own opinion (and that is all it is) is that SMP would be resistant to the matter change abilities. It might hurt him but not stop him.
Ultimately even with the serious upgrade to Gladiator, I would still be tempted to vote SMP for the win but this is a much more difficult judgement to make than the usual battles involving SMP.

#6 Posted by Ball Buster (2041 posts) - - Show Bio

On the question for strength alone.Gladiator has no known limit to his strength without the uni-power.I really don not see how one can gauge Gladiators strength.

#7 Posted by cpt_linger (2902 posts) - - Show Bio
Sasuke said:
"Prime time wins this one."

ever seen beads on a string before?

picture this... the beads are planets, and the string is gladiator getting pummeled through them all in an instant.
#8 Posted by Ball Buster (2041 posts) - - Show Bio

you and pixelized should talk.

#9 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
Ball Buster said:
"you and pixelized should talk."

LOL.
#10 Posted by the creator (8560 posts) - - Show Bio
Ball Buster said:
"On the question for strength alone.Gladiator has no known limit to his strength without the uni-power.I really don not see how one can gauge Gladiators strength."

Gladiator does have a limit to his strength as demonstrated by him struggling to accomplish certain feats.
#11 Posted by The 502 Kid (3793 posts) - - Show Bio

I think CU gladiator should win easily

#12 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio
the creator said:
"Ball Buster said:
"On the question for strength alone.Gladiator has no known limit to his strength without the uni-power.I really don not see how one can gauge Gladiators strength."

Gladiator does have a limit to his strength as demonstrated by him struggling to accomplish certain feats."


To add to that, "no known limit" means exactly that.  The limit is not know.  That does not then mean that his strength is limitless.  Thor actually has an unknown limit to his strength as do a lot of the Marvel class 100 characters.  This does not mean that there is no limit to their strength, just that the limit is not know.  So to determine whether they are as strong as a SMP, one would need to compare their feats.  Gladiator has not had as much of an opportunity to shine in the spotlight that SMP and the character he is most compared to, Pre-Crisis Superman, have had but in his appearances Gladiator has not demonstrated the power levels that SMP has.  Increasing his strength 50 times could very well put him above the current Superman, in terms of displayed strength, but that would be far from SMP.

#13 Edited by Ball Buster (2041 posts) - - Show Bio
the creator said:
"Ball Buster said:
"On the question for strength alone.Gladiator has no known limit to his strength without the uni-power.I really don not see how one can gauge Gladiators strength."

Gladiator does have a limit to his strength as demonstrated by him struggling to accomplish certain feats."
Yes I would agree but only when his confidence is low or in doubt ,Gladiator in full confidence mode has not been measured and seems without limit . With the  uni-power ,it would be off the scale by any standard.
#14 Posted by Ball Buster (2041 posts) - - Show Bio

Kudos to Swagga Boy.I think this is a good forum.

#15 Posted by Billy (1360 posts) - - Show Bio

Simply put, Gladiator is going down (together with that mohawk of his)

#16 Edited by Ball Buster (2041 posts) - - Show Bio
 Billy said:
"Simply put, Gladiator is going down (together with that mohawk of his)"
And your reason ?Willy.
#17 Posted by Vance Astro (91105 posts) - - Show Bio

Prime.No problem.

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#18 Posted by Ball Buster (2041 posts) - - Show Bio

And your reason?Astro

#19 Posted by Vance Astro (91105 posts) - - Show Bio

He's stronger than Gladiator...easy.

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#20 Posted by King Saturn (223796 posts) - - Show Bio
Superman Prime would win here. Prime's strenght level is near Pre Crisis Superman now... who had near infinite strength. Gladiator with the Uni Power doesnt have near infinite strength
#21 Posted by cpt_linger (2902 posts) - - Show Bio

prime could absorb glads powers and use them to kill him.

#22 Posted by King Saturn (223796 posts) - - Show Bio
cpt_linger said:
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prime could absorb glads powers and use them to kill him.

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Maybe So
#23 Posted by Ball Buster (2041 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"He's stronger than Gladiator...easy."
How in comparison.
#24 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
cpt_linger said:
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prime could absorb glads powers and use them to kill him.

"

That doesn't make sense. The only thing Prime absorbs is energy from the sun. Gladiator doesn't have that.


Also, I'm sure everyone realizes that this is Gladiator with Captain Universe powers...

#25 Posted by Ball Buster (2041 posts) - - Show Bio

Gladiator should be near Omnipotence  with the uni-power.Im still waiting for  Astro to give answer on how he comparing strength with example  limitations.

#26 Edited by Vance Astro (91105 posts) - - Show Bio
Ball Buster said:
"Gladiator should be near Omnipotence  with the uni-power.Im still waiting for  Astro to give answer on how he comparing strength with example  limitations."

As far as I know Superman Prime is stronger than Superman or at least on the same level...tell me when Gladiator ever lifted anything near 100,000 tons.....And if Gladiator is near Omnipotent...Adam Warlock bus be a damn celestial.
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#27 Posted by Billy (1360 posts) - - Show Bio

actually vance...

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#28 Edited by Ball Buster (2041 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Ball Buster said:
"Gladiator should be near Omnipotence  with the uni-power.Im still waiting for  Astro to give answer on how he comparing strength with example  limitations."

As far as I know Superman Prime is stronger than Superman or at least on the same level...tell me when Gladiator ever lifted anything near 100,000 tons.....And if Gladiator is near Omnipotent...Adam Warlock bus be a damn celestial."
Your not answering the question.
#29 Posted by Vance Astro (91105 posts) - - Show Bio
Ball Buster said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Ball Buster said:
"Gladiator should be near Omnipotence  with the uni-power.Im still waiting for  Astro to give answer on how he comparing strength with example  limitations."

As far as I know Superman Prime is stronger than Superman or at least on the same level...tell me when Gladiator ever lifted anything near 100,000 tons.....And if Gladiator is near Omnipotent...Adam Warlock bus be a damn celestial."
Your not answering the question."
I don't have to.
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#30 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

People seem to disregard that Gladiator has Uni Power in this battle.

#31 Posted by Vance Astro (91105 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think any unipower is going to help him beat Prime.

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#32 Posted by Billy (1360 posts) - - Show Bio
#33 Posted by Ball Buster (2041 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Ball Buster said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Ball Buster said:
"Gladiator should be near Omnipotence  with the uni-power.Im still waiting for  Astro to give answer on how he comparing strength with example  limitations."

As far as I know Superman Prime is stronger than Superman or at least on the same level...tell me when Gladiator ever lifted anything near 100,000 tons.....And if Gladiator is near Omnipotent...Adam Warlock bus be a damn celestial."
Your not answering the question."
I don't have to."
Bottom line ,you don't have answer nor from you ."a point".
#34 Posted by Vance Astro (91105 posts) - - Show Bio
Ball Buster said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Ball Buster said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Ball Buster said:
"Gladiator should be near Omnipotence  with the uni-power.Im still waiting for  Astro to give answer on how he comparing strength with example  limitations."

As far as I know Superman Prime is stronger than Superman or at least on the same level...tell me when Gladiator ever lifted anything near 100,000 tons.....And if Gladiator is near Omnipotent...Adam Warlock bus be a damn celestial."
Your not answering the question."
I don't have to."
Bottom line ,you don't have answer nor from you ."a point".
"
Bottom line is you have proven time and time again to have extremely limited comic knowledge.I don't have to answer your questions.Your insignificant.Prime wins...and I gave reasons.
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#35 Posted by lionheart (1261 posts) - - Show Bio

my vote is with Prime. it wont be an easy fight but i dont see him losing

#36 Posted by Billy (1360 posts) - - Show Bio

Alright lets end this, who says that Mohawk can actually use the captian universe powers in a high potential? remember what happened to genis-vell he got Comic awareness? he went SNAP! now think of our captain cave-man right here. yeah,... no.

#37 Edited by Ball Buster (2041 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Ball Buster said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Ball Buster said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Ball Buster said:
"Gladiator should be near Omnipotence  with the uni-power.Im still waiting for  Astro to give answer on how he comparing strength with example  limitations."

As far as I know Superman Prime is stronger than Superman or at least on the same level...tell me when Gladiator ever lifted anything near 100,000 tons.....And if Gladiator is near Omnipotent...Adam Warlock bus be a damn celestial."
Your not answering the question."
I don't have to."
Bottom line ,you don't have answer nor from you ."a point".
"
Bottom line is you have proven time and time again to have extremely limited comic knowledge.I don't have to answer your questions.Your insignificant.Prime wins...and I gave reasons."
Again the question was posed to you.Answer it .Then we can go forward from there.Other than that ,your just flapping your gums.
#38 Posted by Vance Astro (91105 posts) - - Show Bio

Prime wins.

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#39 Posted by Ball Buster (2041 posts) - - Show Bio

Flapping gums.

#40 Posted by King Saturn (223796 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"I don't think any unipower is going to help him beat Prime."
Indeed. Prime's strength and speed levels are still superior to Unipower Gladiator
#41 Posted by Vance Astro (91105 posts) - - Show Bio
Ball Buster said:
"Flapping gums."
Gums don't flap..birds do.
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#42 Posted by Swagga Boy (3769 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Ball Buster said:
"Flapping gums."
Gums don't flap..birds do."
Snap!
#43 Posted by Ball Buster (2041 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Ball Buster said:
"Flapping gums."
Gums don't flap..birds do."
With those lips on that big mouth,they do.
#44 Posted by Vance Astro (91105 posts) - - Show Bio
Ball Buster said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Ball Buster said:
"Flapping gums."
Gums don't flap..birds do."
With those lips on that big mouth,they do."
not even then.
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#45 Posted by King Saturn (223796 posts) - - Show Bio
Thats a pretty cool pic of Superman Prime in the OP first post

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#46 Posted by Ball Buster (2041 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Ball Buster said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Ball Buster said:
"Flapping gums."
Gums don't flap..birds do."
With those lips on that big mouth,they do."
not even then."
As always.Very weak.
#47 Posted by Swagga Boy (3769 posts) - - Show Bio
King Saturn said:
"Thats a pretty cool pic of Superman Prime in the OP first post

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:) I picked it out myself.

Vance Astro
said:
"Ball Buster said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Ball Buster said:
"Flapping gums."
Gums don't flap..birds do."
With those lips on that big mouth,they do."
not even then."
Hey hey lets keep it PG 13 guys!
#48 Posted by Ball Buster (2041 posts) - - Show Bio

At this point,its been clean.

#49 Posted by King Saturn (223796 posts) - - Show Bio
Swagga Boy said:
"King Saturn said:
"Thats a pretty cool pic of Superman Prime in the OP first post

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"
:) I picked it out myself.


Very Good
#50 Posted by Perfect Cell (3470 posts) - - Show Bio

Cosmic Gladiator has a 40% chance of winning.

Superman Prime has a 60% chance of winning.