Crime Syndicate of America vs Squadron Supreme (read OP)

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Rules: no BFR, PIS and CIS, everyone is bloodlusted. Battle takes place in Solar System of Earth-616 with no sentient species.

Squadron Supreme consists of Hyperion, Power Princess, Doctor Spectrum, Nighthawk, Whizzer, Nuke, Tom Thumb, Amphibian and Skrullian Skymaster; Syndicate consists of Ultraman, Superwoman, Power Ring (Harold Jordan), Owlman, Johny Quick, Deathstorm, Grid and Atomica. Each member of both teams is composite (for Squadron - Earth-616 Squadron Sinister + Earth-712 Squadron Supreme + Supreme Power of Earth-31916, Hyperion is allowed King Hyperion and his most recent incarnation as well; for Syndicate - Pre-Crisis + Antimatter Universe + New-52).

1st round: each character faces their other team counterpart:

Hyperion vs Ultraman;

Power Princess vs Superwoman;

Whizzer vs Johny Quick;

Nighthawk vs Owlman;

Doctor Spectrum vs Power Ring (Harold Jordan);

Tom Thumb vs Atomica;

Nuke vs Deathstorm;

Amphibian, Skrullian Skymaster and Grid are inactive during this round.

2nd round: team vs team.

Bonus round 1: who can beat current Justice League faster?

Bonus Round 2: same as BR1, but with current Avengers instead.

And please, use at least some basic argumentation instead of "Batman/Spider-Man/Goku/Aunt May/Stairs/Yo Momma soloz".

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Anyone?

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Probably Crime Syndicate IMO.

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@kingant27: some reasoning? Who is weakest chain and MVP? Do they win in all rounds? Please, be more specific. I asked to bring some reasoning in OP.

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IMO there are too many matchups and the characters are too obscure. Maybe try making the fight 3 vs 3 or 5 vs 5

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#9  Edited By Toratorn

@batbro15: I picked only characters with counterparts, plus added Sea King and Syndicate's MMH even despite them being featless for the sake of interest and competition. I'll probably delete them since they might make this too much of stomp in Syndicate's favour, considering I put them on Aquaman and MMH power levels on default. Anyway, in round one, who from the characters you know better stands more chance against their counterparts?

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Hyperion beats Ultraman

Owlman beats Nighthawk

I see these two as even with their counterparts, while the other two are slightly below

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@batbro15: I can accept Composite Hyperion beating Composite Ultraman, since he killed all of heroes, killed Galactus and survived destruction of 2 universes, but won't Ultraman at least give him a good battle considering Pre-Crisis feats?

I think that Owlman beats Nighthawk as well.

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@toratorn: Oh yeah it would definitely be a close fight

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@batbro15: how do you think team vs team battle and bonus rounds will end? I think that most of the Syndicate beats their counterparts, since they are mostly pretty weak. Hyperion and Ultraman are the deciding factors here. If Syndicate members manage to beat everyone and concentrate all their firepower on Hyperion, they will win. Also, since I took away Sea King and Syndicate's MMH while leaving their Squadron counterparts, I decided to add Grid to Syndicate's side.

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#19  Edited By Toratorn

@masterkungfu: good point. How much stronger? Does everyone in Syndicate outweight their Squadron counterparts? Also, notice that I allowed King Hyperion in composite.

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#20  Edited By MasterKungFu

@toratorn: well you included pre-crisis didn't you?

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@masterkungfu: I know, but I thought that composite Hyperion may be capable of balancing the teams. Who do you think will win: composite Hyperion or composite Ultrman, in 1v1 battle?

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#23  Edited By Toratorn

@masterkungfu: Even thougn King Hyperion killed Galactus and most recent one survived the destruction od two universes?

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@toratorn: yes.............. but they weren't unbeatable

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Bump.

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So... Does the outcome change with addition of current Squadron Sinister into composite?