@kingtphil: Does Arrowverse include the Flash characters?
Yes, he could solo. Yes (while bloodlusted) and Yes (Flash is part of the Arrowverse, which we call the Flarrowverse). No one from either show has any character capable if taking down Vision, at all.
The only feat that the Mind Gem has is in Loki's staff, if memory serves, and he needed to touch people with the staff in order to use the gem's power (which seems rather consistent with MCU gems).
The Mind Gem, to my recollection, has never been used in any form of telepathy outside of the staff, and Vision has absolutely no feats using TP. He only used the gem for energy blasts.
Grodd TPs him, Zoom or RF phase his head off, Flash jobs
They're not "phasing" his head off. Do you know what he's made out of? I would like evidence to support your claim that they could, with proof they're able to phase something as strong as Vibranium apart.
Feats for Grod telepathy working on artificial intelligence, or is everyone forgetting that Vision isn't biological? Vision is a synthetic android that was given "life" by a seemingly cosmic force called the "mind" gem. Why in the hell would anybody think for a second that telepathy is the answer for that?
I don't have a dog in this fight really. But since it was shown that the Vision can phase HIMSELF(AoU), I doubt anyone else could cause him to phase if he didn't want them to.
I'm pretty sure I've never seen a thread where a character had possession of a weapon or artifact and we didn't assume they could use it. Esp since everyone in the MCU as been shown to be able to use a gem while in possession of one...
I'm pretty sure I've never seen a thread where a character had possession of a weapon or artifact and we didn't assume they could use it. Esp since everyone in the MCU as been shown to be able to use a gem while in possession of one...
I didn't question whether or not he had possession of it. I said that Vision has no feats with the gem aside from energy blasts, and the gem by itself has no feats outside of the staff. Therefore, the idea that Vision would have telepathy for some reason makes no sense, when he never displayed TP and nobody has displayed TP with the gem (aside from physical contact with Loki's staff with the gem inside of it).
Vision solos the arrowverse.They have nothing to harm him why cause he was mostly created from vibranium,he can phase his hands through their chest and crush their hearts,oh and the mind stone to rape them all even if he only used the energy blast,that would still kill anyone in arrowverse this is a massive mismatch anyone who says otherwise is jonzing!
I'm pretty sure I've never seen a thread where a character had possession of a weapon or artifact and we didn't assume they could use it. Esp since everyone in the MCU as been shown to be able to use a gem while in possession of one...
I didn't question whether or not he had possession of it. I said that Vision has no feats with the gem aside from energy blasts, and the gem by itself has no feats outside of the staff. Therefore, the idea that Vision would have telepathy for some reason makes no sense, when he never displayed TP and nobody has displayed TP with the gem (aside from physical contact with Loki's staff with the gem inside of it).
Maybe... but the Space Gem allowed instant teleportation in the MCU
The Reality Gem gave Malekith(and arguably an entire race) the strength to combat Asgard, and was mentioned to be able to bend reality
The Power Gem displayed the ability to grant large amounts of destructive power in Guardians of the Galaxy
So the MCU has demonstrated that each stone grants at least the basic powers from the comics. I think we can argue the MCU is implying Vision can control and read minds....esp since it's one of his basic powers in the comics anyway. Also, Loki had the gem in his staff....granting him will over minds by touching w/ the staff....if vision has the gem integrated w/ his brain he should be able to just use his brain to activate it's power(like he does w/ the energy beam)....or he'll be doing a lot of headbutting...
@dark_cloud_: Grodd TPs him. Vision has never displayed any telepathic abilities of his own whatsoever, and the fact that Wanda could read his mind means he isn't immune to it either.
@hocko1999_virus: Grodd reads his mind. Great. How exactly is reading his mind going to stop Vision?
This....Also did SW read his mind any other time other than before he was "activated"?
Not that I remember.
But here's the thing. We all know Ultron had the ability to jump through Ultron Bots, and Vision is technically designed with part of Ultron's mentality and therefore knows what Ultron is up to. So, why didn't Ultron try to jump into Vision's body and technopathically try to control him? Because he couldn't. Vision is has JARVIS to thank for that. If the technopathic Ultron isn't able to, which I would say is more powerful than organic (Human-style) telepathy (which Grodd has), what makes people think Grodd would be able to? Not that Vision has any resistance to that kind of telepathy, he hasn't shown that, no; but that doesn't automatically dictate whether he can, either. That question is up in the air and open for any interpretation, yet no one's answer is correct or false in that case.
@kitsune_kusanagi:iirc that was before he got his gem power and he was not only a droid, and haven't got strike by the lightning from thor yet.
@jedixman:Loki staff was the shell to limit the mind gem power. Same with the Orb having a container to prevent it from wiping out places just by being in the hand of someone with some mental power.
@dark_cloud_: Grodd could read Joe's mind. He also mind controlled Joe's hand to hold a gun to his head. Vision has no stated or demonstrated resistance to TP.
@dark_cloud_: Grodd could read Joe's mind. He also mind controlled Joe's hand to hold a gun to his head. Vision has no stated or demonstrated resistance to TP.
Vision is a machine, no telepathy is going to affect him.
@dark_cloud_: Grodd could read Joe's mind. He also mind controlled Joe's hand to hold a gun to his head. Vision has no stated or demonstrated resistance to TP.
Vision is a machine, no telepathy is going to affect him.
@dark_cloud_: Grodd could read Joe's mind. He also mind controlled Joe's hand to hold a gun to his head. Vision has no stated or demonstrated resistance to TP.
Vision is a machine, no telepathy is going to affect him.
@dark_cloud_: Grodd could read Joe's mind. He also mind controlled Joe's hand to hold a gun to his head. Vision has no stated or demonstrated resistance to TP.
Vision is a machine, no telepathy is going to affect him.
Vision has the mind of a human. Mind controls the body. Grodd controls the mind. Grodd more than likely can stop Vision.
Implying Reverse Flash doesn't travel back in time and make sure Vision is never built.
@dark_cloud_: Grodd could read Joe's mind. He also mind controlled Joe's hand to hold a gun to his head. Vision has no stated or demonstrated resistance to TP.
Vision is a machine, no telepathy is going to affect him.
Vision has the mind of a human. Mind controls the body. Grodd controls the mind. Grodd more than likely can stop Vision.
Implying Reverse Flash doesn't travel back in time and make sure Vision is never built.
No he doesn't, he has the mind of an AI. And your plan for Reverse Flash would require him knowing when and where he was built, which he doesn't and has no way of learning, the only ones that know exactly when and where are dead.
no. felicity and star labs will come up with a science/tech way to beat him. also whats stopping ray palmer from shrinking him down? also we have no idea how resistant to lightning he is thors was channeled into the birthing chamber thing never touched him.... not enough feats to say he can beat arrowverse at all.
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