@society619: How could you possibly think Superman could win this? Heart of the Universe Thanos would crap on every version of Superman ever made at the same time.
@aryan1990: Thanos could have given up his power separately, on purpose. Just because he lost his power by recreating the universe, doesn't mean it was his limit. Thanos just recreated the universe and removed HOTU from himself. That would make much more sense. HOTU Thanos on his own was far above universal power, since he not only was greater than but he has also absorbed every abstract and being in the universe into himself, as well as the universe itself. Abstracts and Celestials are multiversal on their own. Plus the whole space-time of the universe with all the matter and fodder characters inside. You're telling me after all of this Thanos is still only universal power? Lmao.
Meanwhile CAS is fodder who has no universal feats and got damaged by a below star level attack.
CAS isn't bigger than the multiverse lmao, and it's not like it would matter anyways.
@aryan1990: Thanos could have given up his power separately, on purpose. Just because he lost his power by recreating the universe, doesn't mean it was his limit. Thanos just recreated the universe and removed HOTU from himself. That would make much more sense. HOTU Thanos on his own was far above universal power, since he not only was greater than but he has also absorbed every abstract and being in the universe into himself, as well as the universe itself. Abstracts and Celestials are multiversal on their own. Plus the whole space-time of the universe with all the matter and fodder characters inside. You're telling me after all of this Thanos is still only universal power? Lmao.
Meanwhile CAS is fodder who has no universal feats and got damaged by a below star level attack.
CAS isn't bigger than the multiverse lmao, and it's not like it would matter anyways.
Seems you haven't actually read the story for HOTI. Thanos had to sacrifice all his power to repair the universe.
While a single Monitor (who is far below CAS) can recreate entire universe from scratch (after Monarch blew up Universe 15, the monitor recreated it from scratch).
Seems you haven't actually read the story for HOTI. Thanos had to sacrifice all his power to repair the universe.
Seems you haven't actually read the story for HOTI. Nowhere is it said or shown that Thanos restoring the universe was that caused him to lose the HOTI. The way I see it, is that Thanos just willingly returned the power of the HOTU just like he returned everything he absorbed. This is irrelevant anyways because it is still a multiversal feat.
While a single Monitor (who is far below CAS) can recreate entire universe from scratch (after Monarch blew up Universe 15, the monitor recreated it from scratch).
Seems you haven't actually read the story. Monarch blew up the Universe 51, not 15. And this was likely done with the aid from tech because Monitors during that time were plus or minus on the level of Green Lanterns and Superman.
Seems you haven't actually read the story for HOTI. Nowhere is it said or shown that Thanos restoring the universe was that caused him to lose the HOTI. The way I see it, is that Thanos just willingly returned the power of the HOTU just like he returned everything he absorbed. This is irrelevant anyways because it is still a multiversal feat.
Is this an actual argument? Thanos outright stated that he couldn't save the universe with all his power.
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Seems you haven't actually read the story. Monarch blew up the Universe 51, not 15. And this was likely done with the aid from tech because Monitors during that time were plus or minus on the level of Green Lanterns and Superman.
Simple error. But no, the monitor actually tanked the universe blowing up in his face and then Solomon recreated it.
Is this an actual argument? Thanos outright stated that he couldn't save the universe with all his power.
Thanos couldn't cure the abstract cancer while being above all of the abstracts. This shows that the power needed to correct the imbalance is above universal.
Simple error. But no, the monitor actually tanked the universe blowing up in his face and then Solomon recreated it.
Lol nice trolling. You still have full of errors. That universe blowing up explosion was a chain reaction, so the blast wasn't universal. The Monitor explicitly stated that he had his shields on when the explosion happened, so again tech. Solomon didn't recreate the universe, it was Nix Uotan. You didn't even read he story.
Is this an actual argument? Thanos outright stated that he couldn't save the universe with all his power.
Thanos couldn't cure the abstract cancer while being above all of the abstracts. This shows that the power needed to correct the imbalance is above universal.
Simple error. But no, the monitor actually tanked the universe blowing up in his face and then Solomon recreated it.
Lol nice trolling. You still have full of errors. That universe blowing up explosion was a chain reaction, so the blast wasn't universal. The Monitor explicitly stated that he had his shields on when the explosion happened, so again tech. Solomon didn't recreate the universe, it was Nix Uotan. You didn't even read he story.
I like how hotu Thanos has been referred to as Universal countless times but he is still Multiversal somehow to these retards
I'm sorry that people like you and @gokuisthebest: can't understand that because Thanos only used it's power to affect one universe that it is somehow only universal. Especially when we have far less impressive characters than HOTU performing multi-universal to even multiversal level feats.
Thanos was already the universe itself + all of the powerful beings. It was fictional imbalance that allowed beings to easily move between life and death, not a simple problem of matter/space/time.
No, it was Solomon, it was to frame Nix IIRC.
Why would Solomon recreate Nix Uotan's universe lmao? That's not his job nor concern. It was Nix Uotan's Earth.
Nix Uotan recreated it after Final Crisis, without any tech.
Lol nowhere does it say that Nix Uotan did it under his own power, and nowhere does it say that about the other Monitors either. Nix Uotan merely reconstructed the surface of the planet, and this was done with matter from other worlds. Lmao what a feat. Plus everything was done off-panel lmao what a coincidence.
Universe 51 wasn't even destroyed, there was just no life on Earth-51 PLANET because of the virus that caused everyone to kill each other + humans nuked the planet. But the whole universe was literally whole and fine.
@aryan1990: lol your lowballing is hilariously ridiculous. If cosmic cube beings can effortlessly create universes and hold them in the palm of their hand, then Thanos using HOTU to recreate the universe obviously didn't take all of his power. He clearly gave the power up.
@aryan1990: lol your lowballing is hilariously ridiculous. If cosmic cube beings can effortlessly create universes and hold them in the palm of their hand, then Thanos using HOTU to recreate the universe obviously didn't take all of his power. He clearly gave the power up.
Seems nobody gave Starlin the hint that its more than universal since the comic is literally dozens of times insists that only one universe is affected.
Thanos was already the universe itself + all of the powerful beings. It was fictional imbalance that allowed beings to easily move between life and death, not a simple problem of matter/space/time.
He wasn't. Later in Infinity Relativity/Finale Adam Warlock with a universe's energy inside him was considered more powerful than 616 Living Tribunal and he couldn't restore a destroyed universe at all.
Starlin's cosmic abstracts are all universal or below.
Why would Solomon recreate Nix Uotan's universe lmao? That's not his job nor concern. It was Nix Uotan's Earth.
To frame Nix. It was a terrible comic. I'd rather not reread it.
Lol nowhere does it say that Nix Uotan did it under his own power, and nowhere does it say that about the other Monitors either. Nix Uotan merely reconstructed the surface of the planet, and this was done with matter from other worlds. Lmao what a feat. Plus everything was done off-panel lmao what a coincidence.
Sure thing dude. That's all there was.
Universe 51 wasn't even destroyed, there was just no life on Earth-51 PLANET because of the virus that caused everyone to kill each other + humans nuked the planet. But the whole universe was literally whole and fine.
Sorry but seems like you've not read final crisis too where Darkseid destroyed entire multiverse and literally became everything in multiverse.
Lmao nice trolling. Howbow this?
Sorry but I don't take anyone seriously who is bored enough to make memes on comics debates.
Seems nobody gave Starlin the hint that its more than universal since the comic is literally dozens of times insists that only one universe is affected.
Seems you didn't read my whole post about how HOTU being used to only affect one universe doesn't mean it's ONLY universal. Wanna lowball some more?
@gangorca: No, but it's effects were only universal and its scope was also only universal, that's why it's universal.
Name one multiversal feat for any cosmic abstract from Starlin. Just one, there's literally zero multiversal feat for any abstract under Starlin save OAA.
No, but it's effects were only universal and its scope was also only universal, that's why it's universal.
Effects, yes. Scope, please try to read comics.
Name one multiversal feat for any cosmic abstract from Starlin. Just one, there's literally zero multiversal feat for any abstract under Starlin save OAA.
Like the IG threatening the multiverse when Adam and Magus fought each other? Eternity perceiving one universe as insignificant to his might? Or IG Thanos and the abstracts creating an inter-dimensional cascade that affected places like the Beyonders realm and the Negative Zone, which Starlin considers as separate universes?
Yes, let's see where it's scope was beyond universe.
Like the IG threatening the multiverse when Adam and Magus fought each other? Eternity perceiving one universe as insignificant to his might? Or IG Thanos and the abstracts creating an inter-dimensional cascade that affected places like the Beyonders realm and the Negative Zone, which Starlin considers as separate universes?
Under Starlin the fight between Adam and Magus was strictly for universe. You're thinking of Moon Knight tie in which was written by Nick Kavannaugh.
Eternity is literally universe under Starlin, whatever you are thinking isn't written by Starlin.
At the time of Infinity Gauntlet Negative Zone (Where Beyonders resided) was a sub dimension of 616 universe. Starlin outright stated that there are different infinity gems in different universes just like Hickman.
Under Starlin the fight between Adam and Magus was strictly for universe. You're thinking of Moon Knight tie in which was written by Nick Kavannaugh.
They were in a reality many realities away from their own and were still affecting their own reality. Magus even fused 2 realities together while having an incomplete gauntlet.
Eternity is literally universe under Starlin, whatever you are thinking isn't written by Starlin.
Infinity Crusade is definitely written by Starlin.
At the time of Infinity Gauntlet Negative Zone (Where Beyonders resided) was a sub dimension of 616 universe.
Starlin would disagree with that but whatever.
Starlin outright stated that there are different infinity gems in different universes just like Hickman.
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