contest between dr. doom and ironman

• there will be a list of names below
• 1st decide whether or not they can beat them with their prep
• 2ndly, estimate a number of the amount of prep time they need to defeat that character

1. norman osborn
2. king pin
3. exodus
4. magneto
5. legion
6. apocalypse
7. onslaught
8. reed richards and the f4
9. spiderman
10. thor
11. loki
12. the x-men (not included the phoenix force)
13. normal juggernaut (no bfr)
14. dr. strange
15. hulk
16. galactus
17. chthon
18. dormammu
19. mikaboshi
20. mephisto
21. 8th day juggernaut (no bfr)
22. molecule man
23. 3 nameless celestials
24. shuma gorath
25. mr. sinister
26. graviton
27. the nova corps
28. quasar
29. proteus
30. trion juggernaut (no bfr)
31. odin
32. captain picard and the enterprise (with crew)
33. captain janeway and the voyager (with crew)
34. beyonder
35. the living tribunal
36. darth sidious
37. q
38. m. bison 
39. unicron
40. shang tsung
41. ego
42. the hunger
43. thanos

doctor doom!

Im biased to say Iron Man.....

@Sci_Fi_Rulez said:

doctor doom!

I'm going to give this to Doom. He has more impressive prep feats and a Sorcerer Supreme level of magic proficiency, enough to be considered for the role at least. He might need quite a while for some of these though, Thanos with 48 hours of prep is scary.

they seriously have no chance against some of these guys, they will not beat:

odin, galactus, classic strange, beyonder, living tribunal,mephisto, Darth sidious, and more.

@NEEK_03 said:

they seriously have no chance against some of these guys, they will not beat:

odin, galactus, classic strange, beyonder, living tribunal,mephisto, Darth sidious, and more.

"they"?

are you absolutely sure about that?

@NEEK_03 said:

they seriously have no chance against some of these guys, they will not beat:

odin, galactus, classic strange, beyonder, living tribunal,mephisto, Darth sidious, and more.

Hmm, Doom's already beaten several of them, so... :P

@nickzambuto said:

Hmm, Doom's already beaten several of them, so... :P

Not when they had prep on their hand, every character here has prep though.

Also marvel's official position is Galactus is smarter than everyone, including Doom and guys like Thanos.

Wait... why is M. Bison above TLT?

@nickzambuto said:

Wait... why is M. Bison above TLT?

there's really no particular order. i just wanted everyone's opinion on how doom and stark can beat (if possible) any of these characters with their prep.

for example:

doom:::

1. molecule man = yes with 12 hours prep
2. 3 nameless celestials = yes with 12 hours prep
3. shuma gorath = yes with 48 hours prep
4. mr. sinister = yes, no prep needed
5. graviton = yes, no prep need

etc. etc....

ok, i will answer my list and you guys decide wether if you agree with me or not.

doom:

1. norman osborn = win = no prep
2. king pin = win = no prep
3. exodus = win = no prep
4. magneto = win = no prep
5. legion =win = no prep
6. apocalypse = win = no prep
7. onslaught = win = 2 hours prep
8. reed richards and the f4 = win = 24 hours prep if the f4 doesn't plot induce a win
9. spiderman = win = no prep
10. thor = win = no prep
11. loki = win = 1 hour prep
12. the x-men (not included the phoenix force) = win = no prep
13. normal juggernaut (no bfr) = win = 12 hours prep
14. dr. strange = win = if strange doesn't du ex machina
15. hulk = win = no prep
16. galactus = win = no prep
17. chthon = win = 24 hour prep
18. dormammu = win = 48 hour prep
19. mikaboshi = win = 24 hour prep
20. mephisto = win = 12 hour prep
21. 8th day juggernaut (no bfr) = win = 24 prep
22. molecule man = win = no prep
23. 3 nameless celestials = win = 72 hours prep
24. shuma gorath = win = 124 hour prep
25. mr. sinister = win = no prep
26. graviton = win = no prep
27. the nova corps = win = 5 hour prep
28. quasar = win = 1 hour prep
29. proteus = win = no prep
30. trion juggernaut (no bfr) = win = 148 hours prep
31. odin = win = 12 hour prep
32. captain picard and the enterprise (with crew) =win = 2 hours prep
33. captain janeway and the voyager (with crew) =win = 2 hours prep
34. beyonder = win = no prep (as in secret war)
35. the living tribunal = can not win through power but he can still presuade living tribunal some how just as dr. strange has
36. darth sidious = win = 2 hours prep
37. q = win = just like the beyonder
38. m. bison = win = no prep
39. unicron = win = 172 hours prep
40. shang tsung = win = no prep
41. ego = win = 24 hours prep
42. the hunger = win = 32 hours prep
43. thanos = tie

ironman:

1. norman osborn = win = 2 hours prep
2. king pin = win = no prep
3. exodus = win = 72 hours prep
4. magneto = win = 172 hours prep
5. legion = win = 200 hours prep
6. apocalypse = win = 300 hours prep
7. onslaught = win = 600 hours prep
8. reed richards and the f4 = win = 200 hours prep
9. spiderman = win = 64 hours prep
10. thor = win = 48 hours prep
11. loki = win =124 hours prep
12. the x-men (not included the phoenix force) = win = 700 hours prep
13. normal juggernaut (no bfr) = win = 700 hours prep
14. dr. strange = can not win
15. hulk = win = 500 hours prep
16. galactus = can not win
17. chthon = can not win
18. dormammu = can not win
19. mikaboshi = can not win
20. mephisto = can not win
21. 8th day juggernaut (no bfr) = can not win
22. molecule man = can not win
23. 3 nameless celestials = can not win
24. shuma gorath = can not win
25. mr. sinister = win = 64 hours prep
26. graviton = win = 48 hours prep
27. the nova corps = can not win
28. quasar = can not win
29. proteus = win = 72 hours
30. trion juggernaut (no bfr) = can not win
31. odin = can not win
32. captain picard and the enterprise (with crew) = win = 2000 hours of prep
33. captain janeway and the voyager (with crew) = 2500 hours of prep
34. beyonder = can not win
35. the living tribunal = can not win
36. darth sidious = win = 1000 hours of prep
37. q = can not win
38. m. bison = win = 24 hours
39. unicron = can not win
40. shang tsung = 600 hours prep
41. ego = win = 1500 hours prep
42. the hunger = can not win
43. thanos = can not win

keep in mind that the list are also preping against doom and ironman too so if you are wondering why characters like reed's team's prep looses to say tony stark, it is because each character of the list only has 48 hours while say tony has 200 hours.

1. norman osborn
2. king pin
3. exodus
4. magneto
5. legion
6. apocalypse
7. onslaught
8. reed richards and the f4 Iron Man can't beat them, Doom could win 4/10
9. spiderman
10. thor
11. loki
12. the x-men (not included the phoenix force) they have Forge(if alive) and too many people. They wouldn't all show up at same time to throw Doom off. Too many power sets. neither beats this team
13. normal juggernaut (no bfr)
14. dr. strange
15. hulk
16. galactus
17. chthon
18. dormammu
19. mikaboshi : is this Chaos King or not?
20. mephisto
21. 8th day juggernaut (no bfr)
22. molecule man
23. 3 nameless celestials: neither can win since celestials have prep also
24. shuma gorath
25. mr. sinister
26. graviton
27. the nova corps
28. quasar
29. proteus
30. trion juggernaut (no bfr)
31. odin thinking they can't beat him either since he has prep
32. captain picard and the enterprise (with crew)
33. captain janeway and the voyager (with crew)
34. beyonder
35. the living tribunal both lose
36. darth sidious Doom can win with prep. Tony Can't
37. q neither can beat him
38. m. bison
39. unicron
40. shang tsung
41. ego
42. the hunger
43. thanos neither can beat him

My selection was made thinking they had equal prep. I will come back with a new list

@nickzambuto: @Lance Bastro: when i said they i meant neither. and how would they beat sidious. the man pretty much cant die. also if galactus is full power he will stomp either. classic strange wins along with odin, espeically if its in asgard, same with mephisto in his realm.

DR DOOM

@NEEK_03 said:

@nickzambuto: @Lance Bastro: when i said they i meant neither. and how would they beat sidious. the man pretty much cant die. also if galactus is full power he will stomp either. classic strange wins along with odin, espeically if its in asgard, same with mephisto in his realm.

doom already bested a niegh-omnipotent galactus, not weakened and doom knocked out odin along with the rest of the asgardian gods. not to mention a doombot of dr. doom's blasted thor with just one shot.

has a better fight against odin than thanos did

took beyonder's powers with just his will power alone which left beyonder angry at doom and it took beyonder several days to prep with klaw to steal it back.

as for strange, doom can beat strange, but only when stranges du ex machina is turned off. (ex: current strange)

doombot (one of dr. dooms robot replicas) one shots, thor.....

read the last panel. see who's foot that is on top of thor.

that's a doombot's foot. doombot's have no magic and thor was blasted once with a beam that was "more powerful" than cosmic spiderman's uniblast.

furthermore. thor fought the real boom. and doom once again, reverted thor into donald blake.

but of course this is no surprise if doom can do the same to silver surfer. so yes; doom can

This is just for Doom. One of my main considerations was that all the opponents have 48 hours prep, so then Doom would need more prep than he normally would.

@Lance Bastro said:

ok, i will answer my list and you guys decide wether if you agree with me or not.

doom:

1. norman osborn = win = no prep
2. king pin = win = no prep
3. exodus = win = 6 hours prep
4. magneto = win = 48 hours prep
5. legion =win = 48 hours prep
6. apocalypse = win = 2 weeks prep
7. onslaught = win = 1 week prep
8. reed richards and the f4 = win = 1 month prep
9. spiderman = win = 6 hours prep
10. thor = win = 48 hours prep
11. loki = 3 months prep
12. the x-men (not included the phoenix force) = win = no prep too hard to know what team
13. normal juggernaut (no bfr) = win = 12 hours prep
14. dr. strange = win = if strange doesn't du ex machina 48 hours prep
15. hulk = win = no prep 6 hours prep
16. galactus = win = no prep 6 months prep
17. chthon = win = 24 hour prep 6 months prep
18. dormammu = win = 48 hour prep 6 months prep
19. mikaboshi = win = 24 hour prep 6 months prep
20. mephisto = win = 12 hour prep 1 year prep or more--consider the Doom/Strange graphic novel
21. 8th day juggernaut (no bfr) = win = 24 prep don't know well enough
22. molecule man = win = no prep--while Doom beat MM by ambush (and possibly with prep), that was PIS of the highest order. But he could win through trickery/persuasion etc. 4 months prep due to his weak personality.
23. 3 nameless celestials = win = 72 hours prep 6 months prep
24. shuma gorath = win = 124 hour prep 6 months prep
25. mr. sinister = win = no prep 24 hours prep
26. graviton = win = no prep 24 hours prep
27. the nova corps = win = 5 hour prep 1 week prep
28. quasar = win = 1 hour prep 24 hours prep
29. proteus = win = no prep don't know well enough
30. trion juggernaut (no bfr) = win = 148 hours prep don't know well enough
31. odin = win = 12 hour prep 6 months prep
32. captain picard and the enterprise (with crew) =win = 2 hours prep 6 hours prep
33. captain janeway and the voyager (with crew) =win = 2 hours prep 6 hours prep
34. beyonder = win = no prep (as in secret war)--Doom had prep there, in that he had stolen Galactus' power, and also used his short previous experience in the Beyond-realm to create tech in his armor to defuse the Beyonder's power. So this was actually the epitome of him using prep.
35. the living tribunal = can not win through power but he can still presuade living tribunal some how just as dr. strange has
36. darth sidious = win = 2 hours prep 1 month prep
37. q = win = just like the beyonder
38. m. bison = win = no prep don't know character
39. unicron = win = 172 hours prep 48 hours prep
40. shang tsung = win = no prep don't know character
41. ego = win = 24 hours prep 1 week prep
42. the hunger = win = 32 hours prep 1 week prep
43. thanos = tie 1 year prep

keep in mind that the list are also preping against doom and ironman too so if you are wondering why characters like reed's team's prep looses to say tony stark, it is because each character of the list only has 48 hours while say tony has 200 hours.

Other high-skilled prep characters like Apocalypse, Loki, and Thanos are probably his biggest threats in a way but they're limited here by their limited amount of prep.