so lets say every single alien in the omnitrix is put into one form vs new 52 superman who would win?
Alien X/Clockwork aren't in the composite form.
@kcminato: This is a composite alien with all powers save two in one form. Jetray can move at supersonic speeds, Big Chill can turn intangible, Goop, Swampfire, and many others give him incredible regeneration capabilities, Atomix is a walking nuclear reactor, and the list goes on.
Combining all these powers into one rather than forcing Ben to switch off constantly means he is certain to win.
Also, OP did not specify in-character or bloodlusted, so I assume Supes is in character. With no knowledge, he's not going to assume an opening of a cage to be anything other than the equivalent of a superhero pulling off his mask. Hardly the most dangerous thing in his mind.
@kcminato: This is a composite alien with all powers save two in one form. Jetray can move at supersonic speeds, Big Chill can turn intangible, Goop, Swampfire, and many others give him incredible regeneration capabilities, Atomix is a walking nuclear reactor, and the list goes on.
Combining all these powers into one rather than forcing Ben to switch off constantly means he is certain to win.
Also, OP did not specify in-character or bloodlusted, so I assume Supes is in character. With no knowledge, he's not going to assume an opening of a cage to be anything other than the equivalent of a superhero pulling off his mask. Hardly the most dangerous thing in his mind.
hm. "supersonic speeds" is not fast enough lol ... that is at most 800 miles per hour . Nothing compared to the speed feats of superman. He flew from earth to pluto in seconds . Nothing super sonic speed can achieve . Plus as i said before superman can react ftl so super sonic speed is nothing to him . "Intangible " IIRC , his "intangible " isn't all that great , last time i remembered vilgax , the rust bucket;s netting and the techadon robots were able to have physical contact with intangible bigchill . explain why superman wont be able to do so . Anyway if superman cant touch big chill , Big Chill's intangibility is consciously used, not reflexively, which means he can't use his intangibility if he is caught off guard . Superman can easily get big chill off guard with his immense speed . Regeneration capabilites ? Swampfires regen abilities are not that great either . As shown in an episode , goop was able to cut him up , preventing him to regen . Superman would be able to do the same with swift and strong hits so swampfires regen capabilities would not be effective . Goop ? easy anti - gravity projector is a huge disadvantage for him , even if he does not have it , superman can spin him fast enough to injure and hurt him as he was in an episode iirc . Atomix is a walking nuclear reactor yes . But superman has shown feats of tanking much more than that , greater strength as well. "he's not going to assume an opening of a cage to be anything other than the equivalent of a superhero pulling off his mask." Yea hes not gonna assume anything ... he would just straight up speed blitz him . why would superman stand still and let toepick do his thing lol ...
Toepick GG
Superman can't even put him down due to all the regenerative aliens... especially goop. Add all the other things such as intangibility, Toepick's fear inducing face, and Waybig/Diamondhead for physical stats and he pretty much has this in the bag.
Superman can't even put him down due to all the regenerative aliens... especially goop. Add all the other things such as intangibility, Toepick's fear inducing face, and Waybig/Diamondhead for physical stats and he pretty much has this in the bag.
@kcminato said:hm. "supersonic speeds" is not fast enough lol ... that is at most 800 miles per hour . Nothing compared to the speed feats of superman. He flew from earth to pluto in seconds . Nothing super sonic speed can achieve . Plus as i said before superman can react ftl so super sonic speed is nothing to him .
In-character Superman is not going to straight up blitz at full speed. Also, that's Jetray's normal speed. It is possible, as stated by Dwane McDuffie, one of the show's writers, that "Jetray's flight speed even allows him to go into hyperspace, which means he can travel across interstellar distances in moments."
"Intangible " IIRC , his "intangible " isn't all that great , last time i remembered vilgax , the rust bucket;s netting and the techadon robots were able to have physical contact with intangible bigchill . explain why superman wont be able to do so .
Vilgax was only able to hurt an intangible Big Chill through the use of a specialized gauntlet called the Shield of Ziegal. Without it, he never once touched intangible Big Chill. Techadon Robots were made of alien nanite technology, something Superman isn't, and the rust bucket is modified with plumber technology designed to combat aliens. If you want to use them, you'll need to provide feats of Superman harming someone intangible.
Anyway if superman cant touch big chill , Big Chill's intangibility is consciously used, not reflexively, which means he can't use his intangibility if he is caught off guard . Superman can easily get big chill off guard with his immense speed .
Again, in-character Superman is not going to blitz outright, and while the intangibility is consciously used, it can be kept on, rather than being switched on and off for every attack.
Regeneration capabilites ? Swampfires regen abilities are not that great either. As shown in an episode , goop was able to cut him up , preventing him to regen. Superman would be able to do the same with swift and strong hits so swampfires regen capabilities would not be effective .
The anti-gravity projector is just that, a device that projects a gravity field for polymorphs since Vicosia's gravity is weaker than most others, so if a Polymorph were to deactivate the Anti-Gravity Projector while on other planets, such as Earth, they would collapse into a puddle and be unable to move. Superman does not have gravity capabilities. Swampfire had his arm shot off and reattached it instantly. He also had a fist shoved through his chest and just laughed it off, with the hole healing up seconds after the fist was removed. The only difference in these feats is the effect of the gravity.
Goop ? easy anti - gravity projector is a huge disadvantage for him , even if he does not have it , superman can spin him fast enough to injure and hurt him as he was in an episode iirc.
I'll give you that, but Swampfire is more than enough.
Atomix is a walking nuclear reactor yes . But superman has shown feats of tanking much more than that , greater strength as well.
Atomix and NRG combined is an ENORMOUS amount of radiation being given off. Even Superman isn't going to shrug it off easily.
"he's not going to assume an opening of a cage to be anything other than the equivalent of a superhero pulling off his mask." Yea hes not gonna assume anything ... he would just straight up speed blitz him . why would superman stand still and let toepick do his thing lol ...
In-character Superman doesn't outright speed blitz, and he has no knowledge. He knows nothing about Toepick. Even people in Ben's universe thought nothing of Toepick until the cage was actually opened. He has no reason to suspect it's a threat.
@parichithayerakala said:Iirc there was an alien made out of radiation that alone can take down supes
That's NRG, which is a being made out of pure radiation. Since this is a composite being, we can't say for certain that the armor holding back the radiation comes along, making it even more deadly for Superman.
I see Ben winning...
Superman is faster but doesn't had the abilities to beat a Goop/Swampfire mixture since he can either reform or not be bothered by physical attacks at all.
Also he said every alien in the omnitrix which means he has Anodites abilities. Which means Ben stomps.
@kcminato said:hm. "supersonic speeds" is not fast enough lol ... that is at most 800 miles per hour . Nothing compared to the speed feats of superman. He flew from earth to pluto in seconds . Nothing super sonic speed can achieve . Plus as i said before superman can react ftl so super sonic speed is nothing to him .
In-character Superman is not going to straight up blitz at full speed. Also, that's Jetray's normal speed. It is possible, as stated by Dwane McDuffie, one of the show's writers, that "Jetray's flight speed even allows him to go into hyperspace, which means he can travel across interstellar distances in moments."
uh nope superman has speed blitz multiple people and remained in character ..... hmmmm... we did not see that in the show im thinking thats not counted unless we see it happening . Even so he flew to pluto from earth in less than a minute , indicating that superman could fly around 350 times the speed of light . even if jetray really could travel across interstellar distances in moments , superman can counter it easily .
"Intangible " IIRC , his "intangible " isn't all that great , last time i remembered vilgax , the rust bucket;s netting and the techadon robots were able to have physical contact with intangible bigchill . explain why superman wont be able to do so .
Vilgax was only able to hurt an intangible Big Chill through the use of a specialized gauntlet called the Shield of Ziegal. Without it, he never once touched intangible Big Chill. Techadon Robots were made of alien nanite technology, something Superman isn't, and the rust bucket is modified with plumber technology designed to combat aliens. If you want to use them, you'll need to provide feats of Superman harming someone intangible.
heat vision would work if not again simply speed blitz . b4 benl can realise anything , superman speed blitz ben . why not you show me some feats of ben reacting faster than the speed of light first ??
Anyway if superman cant touch big chill , Big Chill's intangibility is consciously used, not reflexively, which means he can't use his intangibility if he is caught off guard . Superman can easily get big chill off guard with his immense speed .
Again, in-character Superman is not going to blitz outright, and while the intangibility is consciously used, it can be kept on, rather than being switched on and off for every attack.
Yes he will .... he did it countless times ... and when did big chill leave his intangibility on for a long time . IIRC he always on it when someone attacks or to go thru something . So he would not on it as the moment he realises superman is gonna attack , its too late as superman just speed blitz him easily .
Regeneration capabilites ? Swampfires regen abilities are not that great either. As shown in an episode , goop was able to cut him up , preventing him to regen. Superman would be able to do the same with swift and strong hits so swampfires regen capabilities would not be effective .
The anti-gravity projector is just that, a device that projects a gravity field for polymorphs since Vicosia's gravity is weaker than most others, so if a Polymorph were to deactivate the Anti-Gravity Projector while on other planets, such as Earth, they would collapse into a puddle and be unable to move. Superman does not have gravity capabilities. Swampfire had his arm shot off and reattached it instantly. He also had a fist shoved through his chest and just laughed it off, with the hole healing up seconds after the fist was removed. The only difference in these feats is the effect of the gravity.
superman can heat vision swamp fire . to add on , one of swampfires weaknesses are getting frozen , which superman can do with super breath . Earlier in the post you wanted superman on dealing with intangible beings ? here , superman was able to freeze an intangible opponent
so , superman would be able to freeze swampfire and freeze big chill .
Goop ? easy anti - gravity projector is a huge disadvantage for him , even if he does not have it , superman can spin him fast enough to injure and hurt him as he was in an episode iirc.
I'll give you that, but Swampfire is more than enough.
not if superman freezes swampfire .
Atomix is a walking nuclear reactor yes . But superman has shown feats of tanking much more than that , greater strength as well.
Atomix and NRG combined is an ENORMOUS amount of radiation being given off. Even Superman isn't going to shrug it off easily.
lol.....superman claims he can survive exploding suns so I dont think atomix and nrg would be able to do more damage than that . Just out of curiosity , what are NRG's and atomix's best feats ?? i wanna know and do they even match near to what superman can tank you only said their power is enormous . if u want to dismiss that statement , very well. superman has shown and tanked multiple black hole bullets .
"he's not going to assume an opening of a cage to be anything other than the equivalent of a superhero pulling off his mask." Yea hes not gonna assume anything ... he would just straight up speed blitz him . why would superman stand still and let toepick do his thing lol ...
In-character Superman doesn't outright speed blitz, and he has no knowledge. He knows nothing about Toepick. Even people in Ben's universe thought nothing of Toepick until the cage was actually opened. He has no reason to suspect it's a threat.
for the last time , he has done it many times before .... So ur saying that hes just gonna stand there and watch what toepick is going to do to him ? No! Even if he does not think of it as a threat he would clearly not stand there and watch toepick nearing him ??? He would fly over and punch ben which would then end ben a couple of strong punches . Ben's aliens has no feats to show that he can survive punchs from superman . Are there any feats of him able to tank what superman can throw at him ?? I'm not so sure but i know most of the things ben can do ... ive watched the entire series from ben as 10 years old to end of omniverse . dont remember any great tanking feats that could tank this : Can ben tank that ? I dont think he can . correct me if im wrong
@parichithayerakala said:Iirc there was an alien made out of radiation that alone can take down supes
That's NRG, which is a being made out of pure radiation. Since this is a composite being, we can't say for certain that the armor holding back the radiation comes along, making it even more deadly for Superman.
hm... any feats of destruction ? not sure if this could damage superman . but even so how much could it damage superman . probably hurt him but definitely not KO him .
@kcminato said:hm. "supersonic speeds" is not fast enough lol ... that is at most 800 miles per hour . Nothing compared to the speed feats of superman. He flew from earth to pluto in seconds . Nothing super sonic speed can achieve . Plus as i said before superman can react ftl so super sonic speed is nothing to him .
In-character Superman is not going to straight up blitz at full speed. Also, that's Jetray's normal speed. It is possible, as stated by Dwane McDuffie, one of the show's writers, that "Jetray's flight speed even allows him to go into hyperspace, which means he can travel across interstellar distances in moments."
"Intangible " IIRC , his "intangible " isn't all that great , last time i remembered vilgax , the rust bucket;s netting and the techadon robots were able to have physical contact with intangible bigchill . explain why superman wont be able to do so .
Vilgax was only able to hurt an intangible Big Chill through the use of a specialized gauntlet called the Shield of Ziegal. Without it, he never once touched intangible Big Chill. Techadon Robots were made of alien nanite technology, something Superman isn't, and the rust bucket is modified with plumber technology designed to combat aliens. If you want to use them, you'll need to provide feats of Superman harming someone intangible.
Anyway if superman cant touch big chill , Big Chill's intangibility is consciously used, not reflexively, which means he can't use his intangibility if he is caught off guard . Superman can easily get big chill off guard with his immense speed .
Again, in-character Superman is not going to blitz outright, and while the intangibility is consciously used, it can be kept on, rather than being switched on and off for every attack.
Regeneration capabilites ? Swampfires regen abilities are not that great either. As shown in an episode , goop was able to cut him up , preventing him to regen. Superman would be able to do the same with swift and strong hits so swampfires regen capabilities would not be effective .
The anti-gravity projector is just that, a device that projects a gravity field for polymorphs since Vicosia's gravity is weaker than most others, so if a Polymorph were to deactivate the Anti-Gravity Projector while on other planets, such as Earth, they would collapse into a puddle and be unable to move. Superman does not have gravity capabilities. Swampfire had his arm shot off and reattached it instantly. He also had a fist shoved through his chest and just laughed it off, with the hole healing up seconds after the fist was removed. The only difference in these feats is the effect of the gravity.
Goop ? easy anti - gravity projector is a huge disadvantage for him , even if he does not have it , superman can spin him fast enough to injure and hurt him as he was in an episode iirc.
I'll give you that, but Swampfire is more than enough.
Atomix is a walking nuclear reactor yes . But superman has shown feats of tanking much more than that , greater strength as well.
Atomix and NRG combined is an ENORMOUS amount of radiation being given off. Even Superman isn't going to shrug it off easily.
"he's not going to assume an opening of a cage to be anything other than the equivalent of a superhero pulling off his mask." Yea hes not gonna assume anything ... he would just straight up speed blitz him . why would superman stand still and let toepick do his thing lol ...
In-character Superman doesn't outright speed blitz, and he has no knowledge. He knows nothing about Toepick. Even people in Ben's universe thought nothing of Toepick until the cage was actually opened. He has no reason to suspect it's a threat.
@parichithayerakala said:Iirc there was an alien made out of radiation that alone can take down supes
That's NRG, which is a being made out of pure radiation. Since this is a composite being, we can't say for certain that the armor holding back the radiation comes along, making it even more deadly for Superman.
Ma vreedle was shown to not fear toepicks face
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