#1 Posted by RoyHarperBLOW (1761 posts) - - Show Bio
#2 Posted by Jokergeist (4715 posts) - - Show Bio
#3 Posted by RoyHarperBLOW (1761 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jokergeist: Anyone considered an Angel in Comics is allowed.

#4 Posted by RoyHarperBLOW (1761 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jokergeist: Also who do you think wins the battle?

#5 Posted by Jokergeist (4715 posts) - - Show Bio

@RoyHarperBLOW:

Comicbook characters shall always reign over theological characters.

Sincerely,

#6 Posted by Sideslash (5994 posts) - - Show Bio

Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos.

I rest my case.

#7 Posted by MasterJohn (2664 posts) - - Show Bio

Michael the Archangel > Lucifer Morningstar.

St. Michael cast Satan and all evil (meaning all evil in comic books as well) into the pit of fire. That's big enough to garuntee him a win.

#8 Posted by whydama (1126 posts) - - Show Bio

Theological angels seem to draw power from God. So, I don't know how this will go down.

They are also pure Spirit, comics generally don't go into that realm as whatever that can be shown in a comic is material/physical or at most it deals with the mind.

Having said that I used to own Bible Comics where individual books of the Bible were explained in comic form. Those were my first comics.

#9 Posted by kingkronos (2532 posts) - - Show Bio

@whydama said:

Theological angels seem to draw power from God. So, I don't know how this will go down.

They are also pure Spirit, comics generally don't go into that realm as whatever that can be shown in a comic is material/physical or at most it deals with the mind.

Having said that I used to own Bible Comics where individual books of the Bible were explained in comic form. Those were my first comics.

Not really. The 5th dimensional imps for example are not physical beings. Neither are the abstracts.

#10 Posted by SirMethos (1429 posts) - - Show Bio

@MasterJohn said:

Michael the Archangel > Lucifer Morningstar.

St. Michael cast Satan and all evil (meaning all evil in comic books as well) into the pit of fire. That's big enough to garuntee him a win.

Not true.

First of all, there is evil on earth as we speak, so either he didn't cast all evil into the pit, or evil came back later on. Second of all, that happened quite some time ago, and evil in comic books was created within the last 100 years. He has never encountered "all evil in comic books."

That said, none of the theological angels have anything to their name that can, even remotely, measure up to Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos. Lucifer having Unlimited 'manipulation' power, while Michael has literally unlimited energy, being the force of Creation in that duo(michael provides the raw materials, lucifer shapes and molds it). Together, they are literally omnipotent.

#11 Edited by whydama (1126 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingkronos said:

@whydama said:

Theological angels seem to draw power from God. So, I don't know how this will go down.

They are also pure Spirit, comics generally don't go into that realm as whatever that can be shown in a comic is material/physical or at most it deals with the mind.

Having said that I used to own Bible Comics where individual books of the Bible were explained in comic form. Those were my first comics.

Not really. The 5th dimensional imps for example are not physical beings. Neither are the abstracts.

How did PR Beyonder shut down the Abstracts? He said something like abstracts get their power from living beings. But whatever, they are not spirits

#12 Posted by Caionsouza (147 posts) - - Show Bio

Theological Angels stomps

#13 Posted by kingkronos (2532 posts) - - Show Bio

@whydama said:

@kingkronos said:

@whydama said:

Theological angels seem to draw power from God. So, I don't know how this will go down.

They are also pure Spirit, comics generally don't go into that realm as whatever that can be shown in a comic is material/physical or at most it deals with the mind.

Having said that I used to own Bible Comics where individual books of the Bible were explained in comic form. Those were my first comics.

Not really. The 5th dimensional imps for example are not physical beings. Neither are the abstracts.

How did PR Beyonder shut down the Abstracts? He said something like abstracts get their power from living beings. But whatever, they are not spirits

Because he's not a physical being either. He's the totality of a world much bigger than the marvel multi-verse.

>Abstracts get their power from living beings.

And spirits are not living beings?

#14 Edited by Frocharocha (3778 posts) - - Show Bio

Theological angels; The simplest of the angels were said to destroy the entire Earth with absolutely no use of their power at all. I can't imagine what Seraphims can do.

DC: Angels like Lucifier are way above normal angels. So that kinda isn't fair, but i can imagine the theological angels aren't going to be defeated with a single blow.

#15 Posted by SirMethos (1429 posts) - - Show Bio

@Frocharocha: When, exactly, have the theological angels been "said to destroy the entire earth" ? As far as I know, the earth still exists, even in the christian mythology.

And for anyone saying that the theological angels win: Can you actually provide any feats, to prove that they are superior to the angels from DC ?

So far the only feat that has been provided, is one for the archangel Michael. And that one didn't prove that they are anywhere near the DC angels.

#16 Posted by Frocharocha (3778 posts) - - Show Bio

@SirMethos said:

@Frocharocha: When, exactly, have the theological angels been "said to destroy the entire earth" ? As far as I know, the earth still exists, even in the christian mythology.

And for anyone saying that the theological angels win: Can you actually provide any feats, to prove that they are superior to the angels from DC ?

So far the only feat that has been provided, is one for the archangel Michael. And that one didn't prove that they are anywhere near the DC angels.

It's only stated in the bible that the simplest of the angels could destroy earth. Other than that, no reference is made from their powers. But is pretty obvious that they are omniscient and omnipresent. So basically;

-Time travel.

-Reality warping.

So on.

#17 Posted by SirMethos (1429 posts) - - Show Bio

@Frocharocha: There is absolutely nothing, to indicate that they are, as you claim, "omnipresent and omnipotent". God, yes. The angels, not so much.

Also, can you at least say where in the bible it is stated "that the simplest of the angels could destroy earth" ?

#19 Posted by kuartus4 (68 posts) - - Show Bio

Angels are not omnipresent or omniscient. Also the bible never says anything about the simplest angels destroying earth.

#20 Edited by xlab3000 (3668 posts) - - Show Bio

Theological Angels win

#21 Posted by RoyHarperBLOW (1761 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jokergeist: @Sideslash: @SirMethos: @kuartus4: Hope everyone knows for the Theological Angels they have ALL The Archangels form all 3 abrahamic religions right?

#22 Posted by dondave (40243 posts) - - Show Bio

Comicbook Angels ftw

#23 Posted by RoyHarperBLOW (1761 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: Reasons?

#24 Posted by dondave (40243 posts) - - Show Bio

@RoyHarperBLOW: Michael and Lucifer

#25 Posted by Marksman (1360 posts) - - Show Bio

@MasterJohn said:

Michael the Archangel > Lucifer Morningstar.

St. Michael cast Satan and all evil (meaning all evil in comic books as well) into the pit of fire. That's big enough to garuntee him a win.

Michael Demiurgos and Lucifer Morningstar are multiversal level beings.

Also, in the Vertigo Universe, Michael Demiurgos is Michael the Archangel.

#26 Posted by spetsnaz_gru (236 posts) - - Show Bio

This is quite unfair. Most of the comicbook angels are based on theological angels then amped to give them more badassery. This is spite in the comicbook versions' favour.

#27 Posted by pooty (14022 posts) - - Show Bio

@MasterJohn said:

Michael the Archangel > Lucifer Morningstar.

St. Michael cast Satan and all evil (meaning all evil in comic books as well) into the pit of fire. That's big enough to garuntee him a win.

Incorrect. That has not happened yet. Satan was already cast out of heaven but not thrown into the pit of fire yet. So as of now, it is not a feat. Even if it was a feat, Satan has no feats that puts him anywhere near comic book angels. Satan controlled the weather in the book of Job but that is about it.

@SirMethos: Second of all, that happened quite some time ago

It hasn't happened yet. That is a vision of the future.

That said, none of the theological angels have anything to their name that can, even remotely, measure up to Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos

very true.

@Frocharocha: Theological angels; The simplest of the angels were said to destroy the entire Earth with absolutely no use of their power at all

That was NEVER said in the Bible. If you are using another reference please say what it is. I love those stories even if they are not in the bible.

But is pretty obvious that they are omniscient and omnipresent.

That is false also. Jesus, himself ,states that neither he nor the angels knows when God will return so they are not omniscient.

#28 Posted by pooty (14022 posts) - - Show Bio

@RoyHarperBLOW said:

@Jokergeist: @Sideslash: @SirMethos: @kuartus4: Hope everyone knows for the Theological Angels they have ALL The Archangels form all 3 abrahamic religions right?

What are the 3 abrahamic religions you are referring too? And what are their feats and power level?

#29 Posted by Agent9149 (3145 posts) - - Show Bio

I remember the priest saying that all an angel has to do is think it and it will be done.

#30 Posted by RoyHarperBLOW (1761 posts) - - Show Bio

@Agent9149: Islam, Judaism, and Christianity.

#31 Posted by Azathoth_The_Dread_Sleeper (601 posts) - - Show Bio

Theological angels gets stomped.

While they are basically featless, there are also no implications about them to suggest they are above a single Comicbook Angel.

Inb4 lock.

#32 Posted by whydama (1126 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingkronos:

That depends on who you ask. There is fallen angels who live in Hell, so they must be dead. Then, there are things in the Abyss that demons fear. Maybe they are demons, or fallen angels or the like which are neither alive nor dead. Then, Nephilim are all dead. Holy Angels are alive. But, they may not be beings since they are spirits. It all gets very murky and people dont have a solid idea

#33 Posted by kingkronos (2532 posts) - - Show Bio

@whydama said:

@kingkronos:

That depends on who you ask. There is fallen angels who live in Hell, so they must be dead. Then, there are things in the Abyss that demons fear. Maybe they are demons, or fallen angels or the like which are neither alive nor dead. Then, Nephilim are all dead. Holy Angels are alive. But, they may not be beings since they are spirits. It all gets very murky and people dont have a solid idea

I didn't really get what you were saying. At one point you say holy angels are alive, and the next you say they not beings. I also can't understand how you got to the conclusion that spirits are not living entities.

#34 Posted by Vrakmul (23828 posts) - - Show Bio

Judaism made a emphatic point of not ascribing much of anything to angels so that they wouldn't detract from Yahweh. This purposeful lack of feats earns them naught but defeat here.

#35 Posted by RoyHarperBLOW (1761 posts) - - Show Bio
#36 Posted by Vrakmul (23828 posts) - - Show Bio

Okaaayyy...

#37 Posted by theONEtaichou (1613 posts) - - Show Bio

lol @RoyHarperBLOW... so much reading. head hurts I do get your point though.

Theological Angels win... but in the specifications of this battle they lose. The OP says no God... but angels if they came out can only do the will of God, so if they came to fight it should mean God has sent them out to fight so how do they lose?

It's like a blue lantern, you just cannot have a fight between a blue lantern and say superman and say no Green Lantern! So if the theological angels are here to fight it must mean they have been sent here by God to fight and therefore they win...

(from my Biblical understanding of angels)