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I feel that Luke Cage is the weakest player, and could beaten by of the Spider-Team, due to lack of speed and versatility. However his strength and Durability make a large amount of the Spiders attacks (Webbing, Bullets, Stingers, Acid Touch, Claws due to shape-shifting) alot less useful. Cage would be beaten down eventually by either of Team 1, but it would take a while. On the other hand, I would regard Iron Fist as probably as the MVP (though not by much), given the fact that both Flash and SS have no previous knowledge of the character. Both Kaine and Flash are not adverse to tanking damage when compared to Spider-Man due to their natural durability, healing and pain resistance, which would be disadvantageous when fighting Iron Fist. On the other-hand, by just looking at the two, Iron Fist would know that their powers are Spider-Based just by their costumes, and react accordingly.
Now others may make the assumption that Iron Fist shouldn't beat either Kaine or Venom on the basis that he hasn't beaten Spider-Man, and his conversation with the new Power Man (he did seem to forget that he wrecked through Cap, Spidey and Logan in a training simulation, but we'll that's kinda PIS :p). However, he did say he was able to hold his own, as well as keep up (and his feats are consistent with this) and all his fights against Spider-Man were before his best feats (Punching Skaar, Punching out a hellicarrier etc) and more importantly, before studying the book of the Iron Fist. And this is without taking into account Peter's more evasive nature.
I don't think that anyone is going to dispute the synergy Iron Fist and Cage has when compared to the Spiders, and while I wouldn't grant a win simply because of that, it does make a difference.
Personally I'd say the fight comes down to whether Fist can take down a non-vulked Venom/SS before Venom/Kaine can bring down Lucas. I'd go with Team Heroes for Hire given the OP conditions, but an argument can be made either way"....
Some retorts people could make in regards to team Heroes for Hire and responses
Kaine and Flash has higher physical stats than Peter, who Iron Fist has always struggled against.
As for the Speed arguement, I will concede that Danny probably can't keep up his speed as long as the Spider-Team, but even so, we've seen quickly cream his vibranuim suit, while he was mind-controlled, which was Pre studying from the Book of the Iron Fist. We've seen him show enough speed to at least keep with Peter Parker in previous fights. We've even seen him beat Peter, Cap and Logan in a training simulation (while the result is probably false), he still was keeping up his speed (he was mind-controlled there too), and it was Pre Book of the Iron Fist. And his level of Speed is such that he's nonchalantly caught a sniper rifle bullet, and caught bullets from Cap's Pistol (strong enough to put ares on his a$$), and then thrown them back. Combined with the fact that Kaine isn't as evasive as Peter, and doesn't have the SS (which is what Iron Fist pointed out to Power Man in particular when giving advice which would later prove useful- and the reason why he hadn't beaten Peter before), is enough for Danny to keep up along as he's done with Peter. Especially since Kaine has outright lamented how having a SS is useful in combat multiple times.
Flash for me doesn't seem to have that many impressive Speed Feats when compared to Spider-Man. He was weakened against Kraven, with poison, but did seem to struggle to keep up with him. Peter Likewise was cut by a poison knife in Grim Hunt, and still was too Fast for Kraven. Maybe I'm low-balling here, but I've always seen a Non-Vulked Flash as being comparable to Peter in strength, with greater durability, less speed, but with greater versatility (due to shape-shifting and what not).
Danny needs to Charge his punches for them to Damage the Spiders sufficiently.
As for Danny needing to charge his punches, that's something that's largely restricted to his classic feats, or when targeting very big/durable objects. Danny has Charged up his punches against Skaar, The Hellicarrier, and the Train full of explosives to give examples. However those things are alot more durable than Kaine and Venom are, and are countered by Iron Fist Blitzing through BP's Vibranuim armor, casually downing Mister X with a Chi enhanced pressure point, Punching through Spider-Man chest, so fast he couldn't react in the training simulation- even if we say Spider-Man could have reacted (which is I believe), that still requires no real charging up. He's also punched someone's face off, while being drastically weakened at a moments notice.
If Flash Vulks out, he can manhandle Luke Cage
A Vulked out Flash can become a liability. In this state he's more likely to attack Kaine, as he did the first time they met, and while he gains alot of strength and durability, he also loses out on more nifty tricks that may help him get an edge (Shape-shifting, Gunfire- assuming he has standard gear, tendrils). Furthermore, he speed and reflexes reduce by a significant degree as Kaine was speed-blitzing him with punches, and Taskmaster was able to easily outmaneuver him using Spider-Man's move-set. Against someone like Iron Fist, who is not only quick, but has the output to lay him out quickly. Furthermore, if even if Flash does gain a physical edge over Cage, I think that due to Cage durability the fact that he would be more able to keep up, would mean that I don't think the fight would be that much shorter.
Incap
Rand can power through webbing, and Cage has enough feats to show he is more than capable of ripping through decent amounts of the stuff. Classic Luke Cage once fought Spider-Man (so he was weaker than he is now), and when Peter webbed him up, even he acknowledged Cage could free himself. Furthermore, neither Flash or Kaine utilize incap as much as Peter did.
Iron Fist is a Glass Cannon
Danny's Durability is definitely a weak link (which is I think it comes down to who can hit who), but it would be implausible for Danny to slice through a giants leg with his hands, without a significant degree of Superhuman durability. He also was taking a beating from Fat Cobra (who is explicitly stated to have Super-Strength at the level of 5 tons in his bio) that he can amp using chi to levels where he is literally disintegrating Ninja's with Thunderclaps, and creating fissures in the ground by jumping. And Iron Fist wasn't 100 Percent during this time.
(May update depending on future arguments)
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