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The first live action Comic Vine Battle of the Week is finally over! You all had a few extra days to vote and research (due to us being at SDCC) and over 500 votes later, one of these characters is still standing and the other one is knocked out. It was a decent race, but one of them had a fair lead pretty much the entire time. Earning 54% of the votes, TV Oliver Queen has bested Movie Black Widow.

Natasha took 42% of the votes and 5% thought it was too close to call. As for me, I voted too close to call. They both have solid showings against basic fodder (be it goons of aliens -- both have zero feats) and are sporting impressive hand to hand capabilities and agility. Ollie regularly navigates the city with ease and Natasha has good displays of mobility as well. It's definitely reasonable to believe Widow can close the gap in this environment and has the skill to hold her own to some degree in close combat, but then a huge factor is her wealthy variety of gear. Remember of all of the tech she displayed in Iron Man 2? Each of those could serve as a game changer if used properly and could allow her to overcome. That said, Ollie has the advantage of way more feats and has faced a wider variety of enemies. He certainly has the physicals and pain tolerance to hang in there and eventually turn the tide.

All in all, I can see either of these taking the victory. Widow has what it takes to bring it to close combat and from there she has the equipment to take it, but Ollie has the greater amount of physical and hand to hand showings. No matter who you think is left standing, I just hope this one was fun to think about for you.

Viner Argument of the Week for Arrow is by The Stegman

"The truth is, Oliver has her outclassed in almost every category.

Let’s go over Black Widow’s feats shall we? She:

1. Took down some nameless, fodder guards in Iron Man 2

2. Took down more fodder mobsters in Avengers while tied up (Something Ollie also does in the early episodes)

3. Beat Clint Barton, though since they were fighting in an enclosed location, he was at the disadvantage as he couldn’t fully extend his bow to fire arrows accurately. I’m bringing this up because I know others will compare this fight to say that since Natasha beat Clint, she could beat Ollie.

4. Took on the Chitari who had no real feats to show that they were physical superior to humans besides jumping from their ships to the sides of buildings (maybe a twelve foot leap I’d say)

And really that’s it. Now Ollie:

1. Like Natasha, he beats nameless fodder thugs, only he does it on a weekly basis. He has even beaten people while being at a disadvantage, as in “Vertigo” he was heavily drugged yet managed to take down a stairwell full of guards with little difficulty.

2. Unlike Natasha, who fights mostly fodder characters with the exception of Clint, Ollie routinely fights people who are well trained in martial arts, whether it was his training with Slade on the island, or him fighting and eventually beating China White, Helena Bertinelli and Malcolm Merlyn upon later encounters.

3. He is arguably more acrobatic than her as he regularly uses parkour and free jumping to get from location to location. He also dodges bullets with ease, even from someone who is a master marksman like Deadshot.

4. His physical stats are far superior to Natasha’s. As a man he is physically stronger than her and spends most of his days training his body to increase his strength. For Stamina, he once chased down Helena Bertinelli on foot while she was riding a motorcycle and almost caught her if not for a truck blocking his path at the last minute.

5. His long distance weapons, aka, his archery skills are more impressive than Natasha’s. He has been shown to be a great archer, hardly ever missing his target, even when drugged, injured or moving. His accuracy doesn’t end with arrows either, as he was shown to be able to kill someone by simply throwing a kitchen knife. He also regularly uses Flechettes as darts to otherwise disarm or incapacitate people he doesn’t want dead with great accuracy.

Ollie wins."

Unfortunately, no one else was able to chime in this week.

Due to time restraints (rushing out to see The Wolverine relatively soon and I'll post a review tonight!), I won't be able to provide an image for the teaser (seriously, creating those images is quite time consuming but hopefully you all dig them). However, I will say next week's battle will include TV and/or movie characters again. WHO COULD THEY BE? Check the homepage on Friday to find out!

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#1 Posted by ULTRAstarkiller (7526 posts) - - Show Bio

First

#2 Edited by serpent222 (321 posts) - - Show Bio

I think this was seriously the best match up that has happened since the feature started. Glad Arrow edged out the win, but it would be easy to see it swing either way.

#3 Posted by Trevel8182 (755 posts) - - Show Bio

Kick her ass Ollie!

#4 Edited by ShadowX (1328 posts) - - Show Bio

I think people didnt vote for blakc widow because she simply didnt have "enough feats" so i feel like this matchup may end up have hading diffrrnt results next year after captain america where it was said she would have a big part.

#5 Posted by Jayc1324 (16834 posts) - - Show Bio

I prefer comic versions of characters because I don't watch all the hero movies/tv shows but whatever. I agree arrow takes this, widow hasn't shown anything to say that she is better than him

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#6 Posted by AllStarSuperman (26864 posts) - - Show Bio

I knew arrow would win. I voted for him

#7 Posted by GodDamnIronMan (1628 posts) - - Show Bio

I am sure BW would win in a popularity match like this...if she got her own TV show.

#8 Posted by sinestro_GL (3511 posts) - - Show Bio

The amount of photo-shop used in that promo picture of Ollie makes me LAWL

#9 Posted by Justthatkid (5903 posts) - - Show Bio

New he would win he has more feats.

#10 Posted by viin (855 posts) - - Show Bio

Go Ollie!

#11 Edited by Pokeysteve (9097 posts) - - Show Bio

I didn't even vote on this. Just too close. Two really great characters. I'm liking Arrow and Widow is awesome.

I think the best argument was incorrect though. He kill the guy with a kitchen knife but rather knocks his gun so Dig can get the upper hand. If it's the same incident I'm thinking of that is.

#12 Edited by The Stegman (28772 posts) - - Show Bio

Natasha Romanoff, you have failed this poll!

#13 Posted by JamDamage (1195 posts) - - Show Bio

wait a minute. Really??? GA WON!!!!!! totally not expected.

#14 Posted by patrat18 (11589 posts) - - Show Bio

@goddamnironman: but yet millions saw the avengers and it became the 3rd highest grossing film?? your comment is irrelevant

#15 Posted by tchalla3000 (82 posts) - - Show Bio

I call bull plop, but its whatever. Ollie should have lost, though it would have been a good fight.

#16 Edited by GodDamnIronMan (1628 posts) - - Show Bio

@patrat18 said:

@goddamnironman: but yet millions saw the avengers and it became the 3rd highest grossing film?? your comment is irrelevant

It would be irrelevant if the movie is called "Black Widow".

#17 Posted by Pokergeist (23180 posts) - - Show Bio

@patrat18 said:

@goddamnironman: but yet millions saw the avengers and it became the 3rd highest grossing film?? your comment is irrelevant

It would be irrelevant if the movie is called "Black Widow".

Pretty much. More Screen time equals more votes.

#18 Posted by Kellz (3 posts) - - Show Bio

I can't believe that SEXIST and BIASED comparison was the argument of the week. That sh*t was completely biased with very subtle misogynistic undertones. Disgusting.

#19 Posted by patrat18 (11589 posts) - - Show Bio

@goddamnironman: she was still in it,she was also in a huge part in im2. i doubt you seen the show arrow he would stomp her, his only real challenge in the show was merlin. majority of the world seen and liked avengers, she had enough screen time to be a fan fave.

#20 Posted by AbnormalAl (34 posts) - - Show Bio

The better man won.

#21 Posted by Chaos Prime (11585 posts) - - Show Bio

Was a close encounter :)

#22 Posted by TheCerealKillz (10332 posts) - - Show Bio

@kellz said:

I can't believe that SEXIST and BIASED comparison was the argument of the week. That sh*t was completely biased with very subtle misogynistic undertones. Disgusting.

Congrats, you have two posts and I ALREADY don't like you.

#23 Posted by SoA (5763 posts) - - Show Bio

i have nothing against natasha , but im glad arrow took this

#24 Edited by MadeinBangladesh (9910 posts) - - Show Bio

ARROW all the way but damn SJH is god damn hot.

#25 Posted by Raw_Material (3472 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow, and I thought I seen it all! Arrow somehow beats Black Widow. Amazingggg! Anyone else watch The Avengers movie besides me or did you guys miss out on it? BTW, Arrow is definitely one of my favorite TV series right now and still don't think he'll be able to defeat her.

My edge goes to Black Widow though, I don't see how you guys could vote for Arrow!

#26 Posted by GraniteSoldier (10942 posts) - - Show Bio

I voted Widow, but I can see why this is too close to call. Arrow has the benefit of weekly TV showings, whereas Widow doesn't. Still, she has great hand to hand coupled with a variety of great tech, and is a pretty good marksman herself.

Widow still gets my vote, but I won't deny Arrow is pretty bad*ss.

#27 Edited by herrweis (489 posts) - - Show Bio

SUGGESTION!!!!

Wonder Woman vs Gladiator

#28 Posted by Yung ANcient One (5052 posts) - - Show Bio

What a Surprise

~sarcasm~

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#29 Posted by RedheadedAtrocitus (6958 posts) - - Show Bio

Good for Ollie, but yeah I think what made this a good match-up is because of how close it can go.

#30 Posted by redhood21 (833 posts) - - Show Bio

What a Surprise

~sarcasm~

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is that a nipple?

ollie! got start watching again i fell off the wagon cuz of suits

#31 Posted by GodDamnIronMan (1628 posts) - - Show Bio

@patrat18 said:

@goddamnironman: she was still in it,she was also in a huge part in im2. i doubt you seen the show arrow he would stomp her, his only real challenge in the show was merlin. majority of the world seen and liked avengers, she had enough screen time to be a fan fave.

I've seen "Arrow" alright, I know he's good, and Merlin always has the advantage when fighting GA. He said GA is younger, faster but lack of experience and skills [when fighting in Merlin office after Merlin catches his arrow]. Besides, do you have a sense of time? assume that you have, you can easily notice that GA has mush more screen time than BW.period.

#33 Edited by patrat18 (11589 posts) - - Show Bio

@goddamnironman: He dose but more audience members have seen avengers, even black widow is more popular then green arrow. Green arrow did not win by popularity but by skills, take avengers,ironman 2 screen time and take 2 episodes of arrow he still wins, he is more skilled than her point blank and simple.

#34 Edited by Yung ANcient One (5052 posts) - - Show Bio

@redhood21: I was confused for a bit, but no it is not. Long story short it's my logo.

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#35 Posted by TheGoddamBatman (57 posts) - - Show Bio

@kellz: The argument stated that Oliver is much stronger than BW because he trains constantly and because of the innate gender differences between men and women. Acknowledging the fact that men and women are built differently doesn't make one misogynistic.

#36 Edited by 69ballzdeep (273 posts) - - Show Bio

GARBAGE! BW is superior to Arrow in everyway.

Experience: Widow. been trained since birth in every facet of the game.

Fighting: Widow. Been trained in every form of fighting since birth.

Weapons: Widow. Superior weapons.

Widow easyly stomps here. Total mismatch.

And this is movie widow i'm talking about. Arrows feats doesn't matter. He's a child compared to her.

#37 Posted by mkukie68 (117 posts) - - Show Bio

@goddamnironman: you must not have payed attention to the show, cuz Merlyn said he was faster and younger, but didn't have a cause and that's what was holding him back. Not because he lacked any skill, just motivation, which he got by the finale

#38 Posted by SheenLantern (7275 posts) - - Show Bio

@69ballzdeep said:

Experience: Widow. been trained since birth in every facet of the game.

Fighting: Widow. Been trained in every form of fighting since birth.

When was that stated? I don't remember that.

#39 Posted by GodDamnIronMan (1628 posts) - - Show Bio

@mkukie68 said:

@goddamnironman: you must not have payed attention to the show, cuz Merlyn said he was faster and younger, but didn't have a cause and that's what was holding him back. Not because he lacked any skill, just motivation, which he got by the finale

Aw, C'mon, we both know that is BS... it's just a plot-device for GA to defeat Merlin.

Anyway, this thread is over, GA wins because he got his own TV-show fair and square.

#40 Edited by 69ballzdeep (273 posts) - - Show Bio

@SheenLantern read up on BW. This is fact. Banner:"Do all shield agents start that early." BW:"I did". Avengers. This is canon. Widow stomps.

#41 Posted by SheenLantern (7275 posts) - - Show Bio

@69ballzdeep said:

@sheenlantern read up on BW. This is fact. Banner:"Do all shield agents start that early." BW:"I did". Avengers. This is canon. Widow stomps.

How early?

#42 Posted by 69ballzdeep (273 posts) - - Show Bio

@sheenlantern said: @69ballzdeep said:Experience: Widow. been trained since birth in every facet of the game. Fighting: Widow. Been trained in every form of fighting since birth.When was that stated? I don't remember that.

Look it up bra!

#43 Posted by SheenLantern (7275 posts) - - Show Bio

@69ballzdeep: I don't feel like watching Avengers again at this very second, could you just give me a rough estimate as to when that was said?

#44 Posted by 69ballzdeep (273 posts) - - Show Bio

@sheenlantern: Don't know for sure. Widow along with several other children were kidnapped and taken to the Red Room for brain washing, assassination training, weapons mastery, cqc,etc. BW's seen more action by the time she was 19 than Arrow will see in his whole career. Widow was probably around 5-9 years old when she was kidnapped.

#45 Posted by SheenLantern (7275 posts) - - Show Bio

@69ballzdeep: I definitely don't remember this, was this stated in the deleted scenes of Iron Man 2 or something?

#46 Posted by 69ballzdeep (273 posts) - - Show Bio

@sheenlantern: This has been stated in the comics for years. This is canon. That quote is in the Avengers movie during her discussion with Banner early in the movie.

#47 Posted by SheenLantern (7275 posts) - - Show Bio

@69ballzdeep: Just because it happened in the comics doesn't mean it happened in the moives.

I'll check out that scene with Bruce, thanks.

#49 Edited by tmany1 (7 posts) - - Show Bio

I honestly feel like this wasn't a fair match up because we haven't seen enough of either character to decide who is better. Widow was a supporting character in 2 movies(both eith incredibly limited screen time), while Arrow is still on its second season & there's a whole 3-4 years of Ollie's life where we don't know what he's seen or fought. There's just not enough physical evidence(especially for BW) to make a solid claim one way or the other.