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Welcome to the second Comic Vine Battle of the Week! Last week, Daredevil and Nightwing faced off and the Man Without Fear took the slight edge! While last week's melee had a greater focus on agility, this week's is going to be far more brutal and drawn-out. One is a slightly physically superior and more aggressive version of an already talented hero... the other is one of DC's deadliest and most fear characters around. Remember to vote based on who you think would honestly win in a random fight. This isn't about who has better stories or who you like more... it's about the slugfest and who you sincerely believe would walk away! It's time for Deathstroke vs. Ultimate Captain America (Earth-1610)!

Both are incredibly skilled in their own right and more than willing to fight dirty. Captain America's key weapon is of course his shield, however, this alternate version of Captain America has used basic firearms and frag, gas and smoke grenades on occasion. 1610 Captain America is physically superior to his 616 counter-part, making him essentially superhuman in quite a few areas. He's displayed great speed while facing Nick Fury's Avengers in Paris and even greater strength when overpowering S.H.I.E.L.D.'s super agents (while tranquilized, too). One of his biggest claims to fame is temporarily taking down the Hulk without his shield.

Meanwhile, Deathstroke is one of DC's most formidable mercenaries for a reason. Sporting enhanced physicals (which includes reflexes, of course) and a brilliant tactical mind, Slade has been able to humiliate various big names over the years, including Batman. As you likely know, Deathstroke is packing an arsenal. It's common for him to have assorted firearms, swords, additional blades, and a variety of grenades. Currently, Deathstroke wears an armor made of Nth metal which greatly boosts his durability. Even without the armor, he's sporting an accelerated healing factor. It's not on par with someone like Wolverine, since he was never able to regrow an eye, but it is a considerable one.That said, it's worth noting his opponent in this battle (Ultimate Rogers) also heals much faster than a standard human. No matter who wins this one, there's no denying this is going to be a vicious battle between two characters with superb endurance and exceptional skill.

Comic Vine Battle of the Week Rules

  • Combatants are in character.
  • This is a totally random encounter. This means neither character has knowledge on the other in this case.
  • They're fighting in a generic downtown city setting. It's unpopulated and at night. Assume they start roughly 30 feet apart.
  • Both characters have standard gear.

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#1 Posted by jayskee (1908 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke

#2 Edited by SupermanJohnathanKentJr (300 posts) - - Show Bio

Looks like someone was right about it being the Ultimate version.

#3 Edited by alternative_backup (660 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke.

#4 Edited by k4tzm4n (51072 posts) - - Show Bio
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#5 Posted by SupermanJohnathanKentJr (300 posts) - - Show Bio

I read through the article to get a decent idea on the differences between Ultimate and regular Captain America. I don't think him being faster and stronger will change anything here. Capt. doesn't touch Deathstroke even once and then eventually Slade kills him.

#6 Posted by ccraft (5497 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap shield won't be able to dent Deathstrokes Nth metal armor

Remember this?lol

Deathstroke wins

#7 Posted by KnightRise (4785 posts) - - Show Bio

The winners is whom ever is lucky enough to get to watch this fight (at a safe distance)

#8 Edited by Strider92 (16760 posts) - - Show Bio

Current Deathstroke does not have the feats or the experience to deal with Ult Captain America yet. The Nth metal means he can take a beating but in pure skill and feats Cap has him beat in all accounts. While very durable Nth metal armor has been bypassed by people of exceptional skill Deathstroke even admiteed this when someone managed to cut him by going beneath the scales of the Nth metal. Ultimate War Machine was durable and Cap still managed to bypass his durability as well as hurt other people well beyond his caliber. As well as deflect attacks from Ult Hawkeye, give Spider-man a bit of a tussle in a purely physical confrontation (granted Pete wasn't at 100% at the time but its still a good feat) and beat very skillful opponents in hand to hand such as Ult Black Panther.

Maybe if current Deathstroke had more/better feats that would put him anywhere near his pre-52 conterpart he could win but as it stands New-52 DS doesn't have the skill, versatility and I would even stretch brutality to hang with Ultimate Cap.

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#9 Edited by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (5225 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate Cap is superior to Slade in almost every way. Cap takes a majority.

#10 Posted by k4tzm4n (51072 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92: I don't see why his pre-52 feats cannot be taken into account.

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#11 Edited by Strider92 (16760 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: He has a different origin does he not? Seems like a different version to me.

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#12 Posted by LordRequiem (1323 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate Cap has been able to harm the Hulk. And in terms of a stratagem, both are closely matched. Slade may have superior reactions in theory, but Cap is also super human and renowned as a hand to hand combatant. I'd say Deathstroke has a slight advantage at range with his arsenal but that range with swiftly be cut by Cap. I think Deathstroke is slightly out of his league in this one.

#13 Edited by ivolution2k1 (58 posts) - - Show Bio

deathstroke takes it

#14 Posted by Teerack (7366 posts) - - Show Bio

Proabably Deathstroke.

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#15 Posted by AbdAzh (19 posts) - - Show Bio

Draw. Although the edge is slightly on Slade. Slightly.

#16 Posted by Strider92 (16760 posts) - - Show Bio
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#17 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92 said:

@cadencev2 get in here!!!!

I already posted in the main thread why Deathstroke is Hopelessly outclass. I even posted the entire Cap Tribute Thread of all his feats.

Ultimate Cap wins, hands down.

Ultimate Captain America FEATS!

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Ulitmate Captain America

What can I say about one of my favorite comic book characters of all time? well for starters he is a real soldier. Unlike 616 Cap, this one will do whatever it takes to win, including killing, maiming, or fighting just plain dirty. He also has superior stats around the board. He is so good at leadership that he becomes president of the United States! Ultimate Cap is the real hero we all should look up to as a standard.

Speed

Caps speed like his strength and durability is clearly super human levels.

1) Cap dodges computer targeting AK-47 with no Shield.

2) Cap dodges bullets from Military.

3-5) Reacts and Blocks electricity attacks. He does this again for a Silver Herald.

6) Bullets dodging from 360 degrees.

7) Cap actually reacts and moves faster than the Bullet Tranqs from Hawkeye's guns! Clint clearly fires first and Cap reacts second. Great feat.

8-9) Cap Reacts to Silver Herald Electric attack after it was fired!

Durability

Also unlike 616 Cap, Ultimate Steve best attribute is his Durability. this guy can take a beating like no other.

1-3) Cap jumps through the Jet Wash of a Ballistic Missile, plants grenades that blow in his face, gets hit by the shock wave of a Atomic Bomb, and then crashes into the icy sea. Still lived frozen till thawed.

4) 100+ toner Abomination crashes on Cap Legs and flings him through a building, no noticeable damage.

5-7) Cap tanks devastating blows from Blood Lusted Hulk. still giving interviews and on his feet.

8) Survives a ramming Iron Man Suit that craters the earth.

9-11) Blocks a hit from Blood Lusted Thor, flew at super speeds through a buildings side, and finally loses enough momentum to crash into wall. He is fine.

One of the best things about Ultimate Cap is his Minor Healing Factor.

1-2) Heals faster than Bruce Banner calculated. This was after being on Ice for 50+ years.

3) After a brutal beating from Hulk, Cap was still giving interviews.

4) Caps healing factor as per WW2 Scientist. He even cured Vampirism with his Healing Factor. Nerd Hulks Healing Factor could not.

Cap also likes to free fall from Helicopters, planes, and buildings with no fear or injury.

1) Free Falls from Plane.

2) Free Falls from Skyscraper.

Strength

Ultimate Cap differs from 616 Cap in Strength as well. Fact is Ultimate Steve is just so much stronger!

1) Strength to blow back these Clone Assassins from the shockwave.

2) Curls 1000 pound Dumb Bells like nothing.

3) Pushes Ultimate Spidey to hi limits in a shoving match.

4) Catches a easy 5 ton Pine Tree.

5) Catches Ultimate Valkerie's fist with no problem. She is strong enough to lock up weapons with Thor.

Gear

Unlike 616 Cap, Ultimate Cap likes gear options. He enjoys military weapons.

He makes good use of them too.

Caps best gear will always be his trusty Shield! Like 616 he has mad skills with it as well.

Caps Shield is not Adamantium, many people believe this. Truth is it is NEVER stated what it is made of. We know Henry Pym design it to be unbreakable. Well, Valkery magic sword broke it. Thor later replaces it with a new Shield made by Asgardian Dwarven Smiths. This Shield was also shattered later. Who knows what the current one is made of lol.

Cap like to use Frag, Gas, and Smoke Grenades/

Cap is also adept in the use of Assault Rifles.

Skills

Like 616 Cap, this Cap is full of win in skills and tactics.

1) Cap battle skills and computer hacking showing. This guy been unfrozen for mere months and is already Hacking military CPUs, and understands modern weapons and tactics.

2) Cap figures a way to beat Hulk without a Nuke.

3) Fury exclaims Cap learns faster than a Computer.

4) Cap learns to fly a Fighter Jet in less than a month. Big hop from WW2 Prop Planes to Fighter Jets.

Caps Tactics is so good, he single handily beaten the entire Vampire Army led by Nerd Hulk in one move!

Battles

Cap vs Hulk. Caps first real battle. He fights and nearly beats Hulk by himself. Then forms the plan to beat Hulk after getting beaten by blood lusted Hulk.

Cap vs Giant Man.

Cap vs Kleiser. This guy has double digit ton strength and insane healing factor.

Cap vs Brotherhood of Mutants! Cap actually takes out Juggernaut, the one kicked through the wall, with a kick to his face in this.

Cap vs Terrorist City. Cap Swims miles up river, then takes on a whole city armed up Black Hawk Down style.

Cap vs SHIELD. This is a great battle as Cap is Tranqed up, fights off Captain Britain suit SHIELD agents, and then takes a Iron Man Suit tackle from hell!

How Tough are these Captain Britain SHIELD Agents.

Strong enough to lift 100+ ton Ballistic Missiles.

Now the Epic Cap vs Liberation Battle. All this happens within a few hours.

Cap vs Schizo Man. Schizo Man has Mutiple Mans powers and picks a fight with a Tranquilized Cap.

Then after being freed Abomination tackles him.

Cap vs Abdul. Cap in pretty rough shape fights a exact copy of himself thanks to Loki's magic. Cap wins. Cap then goes onto fighting Loki's Troll army lol.

Cap vs a Russian Super Soldier who been fighting a Prison full of monsters for 60+ years. Him and the inmates were all cyborgs made with the super advance Vision body parts.

Both battles with Silver Heralds. Silver Heralds are capable of tearing Iron Man to shreds.

Cap vs Black Panther.

Cap vs Venom.

Cap vs Sabertooth. Sabertooth surprise attacks and Cap still manhandles Sabes.

Cap vs Juggernaut. Juggs trash Cap tlll Cap gets his Shield and KOs the 100 toner.

Cap dies from the Tidal Wave in New York and helps Thor beat Hela's Undead Army!

These next battles are Cap vs Nuke.

Nukes background.

Cap first battle with Nuke.

Cap vs Viet Cong ambush.

After Cap gets taken down by a whole village of Super Soldiers made by Nuke, Cap is tortured for a week straight with no food, water, and Pints of blood drained everyday.

Then when Nuke made it clear he was through with Cap, cap finds a venomous snake and sucks the poison into his mouth.

Then he spits it in Nukes eyes and beats him down in this weak condition!

Next Cap will face Red Skull. Who is Red Skull?

Red Skull is everything Cap is but, well, better.

Cap takes out the A.I.M. with ease, jumping from copter to copter, Red Skull trashes him though. After this Cap finds out Red Skull is his son, and then he goes Rogue.

Cap vs Avengers! He pretty much by himself beats the Avengers, however he wanted to be captured. This way he can get intel on where his son is and kill him with the Teleport Jet.

Then Cap ends Red Skull, later Fury shoots him on the head, who had the Cosmic Cube with a Surprise Teleport Jump!

Well that wraps up Cap history before United We Stand arc. As seen Cap is one bad mother who has consistently battle and beaten 100+ toners. Respect the Ultimate Cap!

#18 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack: @ivolution2k1: Do any of your know Ultimate Cap? If not, I have a Ultimates Tribute Thread with all Ultimate Captain America in the General Discussions thread to read up on him and give a educated guess.

#19 Posted by vintage_spiderman (1846 posts) - - Show Bio

cap FTW

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#20 Posted by Teerack (7366 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: I know Ultimate Cap as much as I know Deathstroke. Not much either way... but my ignorance is equal!

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#21 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack: Well my friend, Ultimate Cap has no media time unlike DS who is in Injustice which everyone thinks is the Deathstroke being used here.

If Deathstroke wins votes, its due to popularity and the fact he is the favorite character in the new Injustice Game, which is sad.

#22 Posted by Outside_85 (9939 posts) - - Show Bio

The PIS-force is stronger with Deathstroke.

#23 Edited by Teerack (7366 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2 said:

@teerack: Well my friend, Ultimate Cap has no media time unlike DS who is in Injustice which everyone thinks is the Deathstroke being used here.

If Deathstroke wins votes, its due to popularity and the fact he is the favorite character in the new Injustice Game, which is sad.

Idk anything about the Injustice Deathstroke. My knowledge of him is based off of Young Justice, and his appearances in a few comics I read. My knowledge of Ultimate cap is based off the ultimate avengers movies, and his appearances in ultimate spider-man.

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#24 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack said:

@cadencev2 said:

@teerack: Well my friend, Ultimate Cap has no media time unlike DS who is in Injustice which everyone thinks is the Deathstroke being used here.

If Deathstroke wins votes, its due to popularity and the fact he is the favorite character in the new Injustice Game, which is sad.

Idk anything about the Injustice Deathstroke. My knowledge of him is based off of Young Justice, and his appearances in a few comics I read. My knowledge of Ultimate cap is based off the ultimate avengers movies, and his appearances in ultimate spider-man.

Remember 2 things. Ulitmate Avengers Movie and Spidey is not the same Cap at all.

Same for DS in Young Justice, he is weaker in YJ actually.

But I seen people already voted for DS because of the Injustice Game. Sad.

Also people seem to vote for Slade due to PIS of taking down the JL with mass Prep. In a random fight he was punked by Wonder Woman easy, and WW held back alot to not kill him lol.

#25 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: Also quick question, does New 52 Deathstroke not have all the skills or same origins as pre 52? He is a different person and lesser skill level right?

#26 Posted by Teerack (7366 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Yeah but I don't see any version of Cap taking down WW, so it doesn't really mean anything.

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#27 Posted by GodDamnIronMan (1553 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate Cap. is physically equal if not superior to Deathstroke....and Cap. has the skills comparable to batman, which means

Ultimate Cap. = Deathstroke + Batman

Results: Cap. wins (8/10)

#28 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack said:

@cadencev2: Yeah but I don't see any version of Cap taking down WW, so it doesn't really mean anything.

I do not either, the point is DS cannot take down the League at all without Prep and bad writing.

#29 Posted by Saren (26021 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: He has a different origin does he not? Seems like a different version to me.

His origin is the same --- it's actually practically identical since Liefeld copied the original Wolfman origin almost panel for panel in the Deathstroke zero issue. There are a few changes here and there like Grant being alive, but Grant never had any influence on Slade's training or anything like that.

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#30 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7043 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate Cap. People are wanking the Nth metal armor too much.

#31 Edited by laflux (17550 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh this thread >:D

#32 Posted by jaybefre (82 posts) - - Show Bio

As much as I love Deathstroke he can't hang with Ultimate Cap. Ultimate is more brutal and his power levels are superhuman not peak human like his 616 counterpart. Also this version of Cap has downed the Hulk who is also more savage and wild in the Ultimate universe. If anyone has read Millar's run on The Ultimates that Cap was a freakin' beast. He was just that badass! Sorry Deathstroke this is a bounty you won't be collecting on.

#33 Posted by vintage_spiderman (1846 posts) - - Show Bio

f**k the Nth armor it's not even that great.

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#34 Posted by comicace3 (6367 posts) - - Show Bio

This is hard... Some part of me is thinking this is a stalemate...

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#35 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

f**k the Nth armor it's not even that great.

Nth metal is overrated.

3 examples of Nth Metal armor pierced. Not impressive.

#36 Posted by laflux (17550 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm going with Ult Cap however, I was totally not bribed by @cadencev2

#37 Posted by PabloGdeAnda (47 posts) - - Show Bio

I think there's something everyone's forgetting about Cap, he has a strength I think only he and Spider-Man (both 616 and ultimate) share with him, and that's his absolute refusal to give up.
When he's fighting someone like Slade, and realizes he's a mercenary for hire, a killer, who's main motivation is money, he instantly believes that punk must be put down.
And yes, I think the word "punk" would be used, and that belief gives Cap strength, focus and resolve.
It's one of the great things writers have put so much about Ultimate Cap. And I think Cap takes this fight while taking heavy injuries and dismissing them with some witty remarks at the end.
(This Captain America does pity his opponents and occasionally make disses them).

#38 Edited by Arkhamc1tizen (2146 posts) - - Show Bio

@ccraft said:

Cap shield won't be able to dent Deathstrokes Nth metal armor

Remember this?lol

Deathstroke wins

this reminds me of ultimates one

when captain america flys a plane into a nazi base and it does well that

#39 Edited by utkanflash (463 posts) - - Show Bio

DeathStroke is more clever, faster,agile than Cap... And DeathStroke is specialit every weapon and gagdet !! ... He can use sword, machine gun, throwin knifes,pistol and bow in same action ?!? ... He is a better H2H combatant and more clever combatant..Deathstroke far much better to use envoirment if fight...

Any DeathStroke version take out any Cap. America version.

#40 Posted by NightFang (10198 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke for the win!

#41 Posted by NightFang (10198 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke for the win!

#42 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

DeathStroke is more clever, faster,agile than Cap... And DeathStroke is specialit every weapon and gagdet !! ... He can use sword, machine gun, throwin knifes,pistol and bow in same action ?!? ... He is a better H2H combatant and more clever combatant..Deathstroke far much better to use envoirment if fight...

Any DeathStroke version take out any Cap. America version.

yeah, that is not a bias remark.

#43 Posted by mrtrevorguy (1200 posts) - - Show Bio

I should think cap would take this, by no means will it be easy, but you take an already excellent h2h fighter and pump him up with super human status ?

That should be the deciding factor

#44 Edited by evilvegeta74 (4530 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate Cap is hardcore, he doesn't play at all.

#45 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate Cap is hardcore, he doesn't play at all.

Ultimate Cap with Thors hammer is even more awesome.

Hell yeah!

#46 Posted by laflux (17550 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: I remember when I first read that issue, and thinking bull$h!t, the Vampires were just about to win >:(

#47 Edited by evilvegeta74 (4530 posts) - - Show Bio

@evilvegeta74 said:

Ultimate Cap is hardcore, he doesn't play at all.

Ultimate Cap with Thors hammer is even more awesome.

Hell yeah!

Nice! I think that there are too many DC fans here, Ultimate Cap to win, but he has my vote anyway!

#48 Edited by doombot890 (232 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate Cap wins

for proof I'd draw your attentions to the whole red skull arc and the ultimate cap mini with that Nuke the other Captain America (Vietnam era) which to me is basically a Cap vs Deathstroke battle

Cap will eventually get the upper hand he just needs a sec...although same can be said with Slade.

...please let cap scream SSLLAAAAAADDDEEE!!!

Cap's regenerative capabilities are greater than Slade's and his tactical acumen is faster also. also like others before me have stated CAP BEAT THE FUCKING HULK

and that was with very little prep time. yes Slade did beat that Vandal Savage wannabe immortal guy (which was the only good story of the whole Deathstroke series) but he got beat in like what 3 fights before that? in a straight up battle like this Ultimate Cap has the edge....

I'm just gonna keep repeating myself at this rate.

#49 Edited by RedHood787 (1 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke

#50 Posted by ekrolo (436 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke