#1 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

Cowboys: Roland Deschain, Jonah Hex, Revolver Ocelot

Ninjas: Storm Shadow, Electra, Shredder.

  • Roland: His Father's Guns, Dynamite.
  • Jonah: Cutlass Sword, Hatchet, his Revolvers.
  • Ocelot: Colt Single Action Revolvers and EM Field Device.
  • Storm Shadow: Bow and Arrows, Swords.
  • Electra: Sais and Ninja Stars.
  • Shredder: Armor and Claws.
  • Start 500 feet away on a flat Plane. Some Bushes and Trees dot the area.

Who wins?

#2 Posted by Cjdavis103 (9575 posts) - - Show Bio

Ninjas rater handily

#3 Posted by Juiceboks (9784 posts) - - Show Bio

As good marksman as the cowboys are, they're up against people who regularly bullet time much more advanced guns. Shredder could arguably beat all of them based on what I've seen. Altogether they take 9/10.

#4 Edited by jwalser3 (5169 posts) - - Show Bio

Any ninja solos.

#5 Posted by dondave (38491 posts) - - Show Bio

Unless the the Cowboys are using indestructible or magic based bullets Elektra deflects all them and the Ninja's kill the Cowboys.

#6 Edited by DeathandGrim (2051 posts) - - Show Bio

Stormshadow wtf?

Were you going for spite?

Ninjas massacre this

#7 Edited by Wyldsong (5679 posts) - - Show Bio

You had me at Roland. Cowboys for the win.

I am sure cadencev2 will can come up with some feats, but the fact is, bullet timers can and have gotten tagged by those with enough skill and speed. Roland himself has several disgusting sharpshooter feats, and is pretty much in the superhuman arena himself when it comes to speed and accuracy.

#8 Edited by jashro44 (22836 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

Unless the the Cowboys are using indestructible or magic based bullets Elektra deflects all them and the Ninja's kill the Cowboys.

Is Elektra really that fast? Has she ever deflected so many bullets from multiple extremely talented shots?

#9 Edited by Wyldsong (5679 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@dondave said:

Unless the the Cowboys are using indestructible or magic based bullets Elektra deflects all them and the Ninja's kill the Cowboys.

Is Elektra really that fast? Has she ever deflected so many bullets from multiple extremely talented shots?

I've seen scans of her deflecting bullets before, but I don't think it was from this many talented shots.

#10 Posted by dondave (38491 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@dondave said:

Unless the the Cowboys are using indestructible or magic based bullets Elektra deflects all them and the Ninja's kill the Cowboys.

Is Elektra really that fast?

She's been able to deflect machine gun fire (Wonder Woman Style) so I don't see this being any different

#11 Posted by Wolverine08 (43645 posts) - - Show Bio

Ninja.

#12 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@wyldsong said:

You had me at Roland. Cowboys for the win.

I am sure cadencev2 will can come up with some feats, but the fact is, bullet timers can and have gotten tagged by those with enough skill and speed. Roland himself has several disgusting sharpshooter feats, and is pretty much in the superhuman arena himself when it comes to speed and accuracy.

Correct.

Jonah Hex is also a very capable fighter who also deflected bullet with his sword.

Revolver ocelot is a trick shot specialist much like Bulls Eye, and can ricohete shots with ease to come from any direction. added to that he is also one of the best Hand To Hand fighters in the world, actually skilled enough to best Solid Snake.

Also this one where Ocelot fugs Snake up bad.

Skip to 1:05:45

Then we have Roland Dischain who has Super Human Speed in his firing, reloading, and Super Human Accuracy.

To say ninjas stomps is a bit much when Ocelot can Hand to Hand anyone here as well Jonah to a degree, they are all Deadshot level marksmen, and Roland has superhuman speed in firing and reloading.

@tparks for more on Jonah Hex. @nickzambuto for more on Ocelot

#13 Posted by OreoAssassin (5493 posts) - - Show Bio

Ninjas

#14 Posted by SHAZAM117 (3291 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm liking Team Ninjas

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#15 Edited by jwalser3 (5169 posts) - - Show Bio

Have the cowboys tagged any one with their speed? If not, I mean a bullet is still a bullet.

#16 Edited by Wyldsong (5679 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3 said:

Have the cowboys tagged any one with their speed? If not, I mean a bullet is still a bullet.

Speaking for Roland, yes he has dealt with a few speedy types (vamps), and has even tagged small flying explosive devices that were about the full speed and size of a snitch (sneetch or whatever) from the Harry Potter stuff. He has made a plethora of impossible shots all throughout the series, and has insane accuracy and reaction speeds. The man has never once missed a shot that I can remember over the full breadth of Dark Tower material.

#17 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@wyldsong said:

@jwalser3 said:

Have the cowboys tagged any one with their speed? If not, I mean a bullet is still a bullet.

Speaking for Roland, yes he has dealt with a few speedy types (vamps), and has even tagged small flying explosive devices that were about the full speed and size of a snitch from the Harry Potter stuff. He has made a plethora of impossible shots all throughout the series, and has insane accuracy and reaction speeds. The man has never once missed a shot that I can remember over the full breadth of Dark Tower material.

Last shot he ever missed was as a young teenager in the comics. He never missed a shot since then.

Roland Feat List.

Speed

First lets look at Speed Feats. Roland Speed with his Revolvers and hands is described as Supernatural, Preternatural, and Blinding.

Scan 1: Roland speed to fast to see. Dark Tower

Scan 2: Roland Speed again with his back turn. Dark Tower

Scan 3: Roland dying of a fever moves too fast for human thought and described as fast as Blue Summer Lightning. Drawing of Three

Scan 4: Rolands Blinding speed again. Wizard and Glass

Scan 5: Rolands Supernatural Speed in reloading on horse back and galloping. Wizard and Glass

Scan 6: Roland Reloads with in human speed while dodging a mob. The Gunslinger

Scan 7: Roland reloads with a guy aiming at him with his teeth super fast. Drawing of Three

Scan 8: Description of Cuthbert speed and Roland is twice as fast according to Cuthbert and Alain.

Scan 9: Eddie Dean (Cuthbert reborn) drops down as Roland shoots 3 shots faster than he can think. The Wastelands

Scan 10: Roland as a child showed faster reaction and hand speed than other train gunslingers.

Roland easily quick draws and fires 2 rounds thru the same hole in Jonas head. Jonas was a well known Quick Draw and train Gunslinger.

Roland kills 8 Desert Dogs that charge him from all sides and only 10 feet away!

Here Roland reacts and kills 5 Vampire Sucker Bats near instantly.

Roland as said here was firing with blind rage yet still killed multiple enemies with every shot.

Flathearty and his gang of 20 of Type 3 Vampires, Low Men, and Taheen are killed before they could fire there guns back. Flathearty himself is killed while halfway drawing his gun and Roland still had his hand up to his mouth. Dark Tower

Accuracy

Accuracy feats!

Scan 1: Roland Fires his guns after being in pitch blackness for day and then fires again near Blind with perfect aim. The Gunslinger

Scan 2: Roland sick and dying uses a inaccurate Automatic pistol to predict and make a head shot. Drawing of Three

Scan 3: Roland Accuracy is commented when throwing a rock as true as his shooting. The Wastelands

Scan 4: Roland fires from the hip at Wolves of Calla (Robots) Antennas under their hoods with ease. Wolves of Calla

Scan 5-8: Roland spends a day with no food or water shooting explosive Harry Potter Sneetches that zig zag thru the air. Dark Tower

Roland sniper shot with his revolver from a impossible distance.

Durability and Strength

Roland has been banged up pretty Good as well.

After the Battle of Jericho Hill Roland been Shot and Skull Cracked. As seen from above he not only gets back but Sprints with a friend in his arms.

As seen here Roland has no problem tanking heavy hits even on the skull.

Roland jumps a Type One Vampire known as sister Mary. She slams him with that Vampire strength head first into a rock.Roland however is back on his feat quick.

Roland Kills a large Mutant Wolf with his bare hands while under a Glamour.

Roland breaks another mans wrist with his grip alone.

Other Feats and Gear

Roland has shown many times to Hypnotize people for info, to forget, or implant commands.

The Comic and Novel The Gunslinger best show off those Tracking abilities. Roland Tracking is superb and uses it to find and locate many a target or dinner.

The Grow Bag generates Gold and even Gems.

The Gunslinger's bullets are capable of drowning out sounds like the Thinny that pierces your skull and drives you insane.

Roland had come across the Speaking demon Jawbone. A Powerful magical jawbone that ward of the Glamour and Magic of Demons and Sorcerers.

Roland's guns are forge from Excalibur and been confirmed to kill immortals. Although they cannot kill whats already Dead like Type 1 Vampires.

Roland has carry TNT at times as well.

Scan 1: Roland dying of fever manages to half sleep and stay aware of Susana. Drawing of Three

Scan 2: Roland Psychically riding a Beam Quake to New York of another Universe can take in all he needs at first sight. Dark Tower

Scan 3-4: Roland during a battle with the Wolves of Calla is able to access the situation while reacting to threats still. Wolves of Calla

Battles

The Battle for Gilead

Roland with a few days time and only handful of novice Gunslingers hold off a army with Tanks and Bazookas.

The Battle of Jericho Hill

Roland Outnumbered and Outgun. Yet Roland and his Gunslingers kill a hundred to their 1. Roland even with Snipers after him is the last to go down.

Roland vs Not Men the first time. Armed with Flagg's killing Poison Darts.

Here Roland fights a Gang of Not Men mostly without his Billy Bumbler this time. Heck these guys are also more well armed than Poison Blow Darts.

Battle of Tull

Roland kills 58 people attacking him at once. He kills every single one of them with a single bullet. He been stab and pummeled with stones yet every shot remains true.

Roland and Cuthbert takes out one of Farson's troop encampments.

Roland's 5 minuet battle with the Wolves of Calla, 61 highly advance killing robots.. The Wolves of Calla

Roland has a run in with a Dust Devil demon.

Roland vs the Door Keeper Demon and the Demon in the Stone Circle while saving Jake.The Wastelands

At the Age of 14 Roland had to beat Cort (the Teacher and respected Gunslinger) in H2H to become a Man.

Roland vs Mordred Deschain. The Were Spider son of Roland and Crimson King.

Roland vs Slow Mutants.

All here.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/dark-tower-respect-745904/

#18 Posted by jashro44 (22836 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: Pretty impressive however I think the quality of marksmen makes a difference here. Examples of what i am talking about would be in the most recent issue of infinity captain america blocked a light speed-FTL speed attack, i don't think that means he has light speed reflexes so much as he was able to predict proximal midnight's shot. It does require a lot more precision for elektra to block bullets like that so it is very impressive. At the risk of down playing elektra She has also been tagged by bullseye. So that right there tells us that the quality of marksmen can make a difference. Granted bullseye is arguably the better marksmen then the cow boys but I am sure that is debatable.

@cadencev2 Whats the starting distance and how much cover do the ninjas have?

#19 Posted by Wolverine08 (43645 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44:

Examples of what i am talking about would be in the most recent issue of infinity captain america blocked a light speed-FTL speed attack,

Are you talking about the instance right before Corvus got killed?

#20 Posted by jashro44 (22836 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44:

Examples of what i am talking about would be in the most recent issue of infinity captain america blocked a light speed-FTL speed attack,

Are you talking about the instance right before Corvus got killed?

Yea when he was shielding Mrs.Marvel. According to the bio of the black order the way Proxima midnights spear works is that once it is thrown it turns into a beam of light and locks onto its target and can't be dodged. This would be backed up by the fact that the beam was able to catch photon/spectrum while she was in motion (her whole power is turning into light) meaning it might even be faster then light. I am assuming Steve anticipated the shot or else it was some serious PIS...

#21 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: since Cowboys are at a disadvantage already, 500 feet distance on a flat plains with bushes and some trees.

#22 Posted by Wolverine08 (43645 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@wolverine08 said:

@jashro44:

Examples of what i am talking about would be in the most recent issue of infinity captain america blocked a light speed-FTL speed attack,

Are you talking about the instance right before Corvus got killed?

Yea when he was shielding Mrs.Marvel. According to the bio of the black order the way Proxima midnights spear works is that once it is thrown it turns into a beam of light and locks onto its target and can't be dodged. This would be backed up by the fact that the beam was able to catch photon/spectrum while she was in motion (her whole power is turning into light) meaning it might even be faster then light. I am assuming Steve anticipated the shot or else it was some serious PIS...

Interesting. Thanks for the info.

#23 Posted by Wolverine08 (43645 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Do have a scan of that bio on hand? Thanks.

#24 Edited by jashro44 (22836 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: No problem.

I wish I had the scan of cap blocking the beams and of the beams catching photon...

@jashro44: since Cowboys are at a disadvantage already, 500 feet distance on a slightly hilly plains with bushes and some trees.

I'll have to think about it. I think its closer then most are saying.

#25 Posted by Wolverine08 (43645 posts) - - Show Bio
#26 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: I changed it to flat plains, I think the cowboys need every advantage they can get with this crowd, I will edit OP later.

#27 Edited by jashro44 (22836 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44:

Thanks man!

No problem.

@jashro44: I changed it to flat plains, I think the cowboys need every advantage they can get with this crowd, I will edit OP later.

All right just don't set it it up too much in there favour.

#28 Posted by boschePG (2478 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2:

Did you ever read Image's Cowboy Ninja Viking.

Aint nothing like a CIA trained assassin that has split persona of all three

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/13/5c/135cc3207d15dc74983868d439746343.JPG?itok=TyZRpDrO

#29 Edited by TheAmazingImmortalMan (3338 posts) - - Show Bio

Ninjas stomp!

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#30 Posted by Silverrings (2202 posts) - - Show Bio

As bullet-timey as the ninjas can all be, these are three of the best shots in comics, especially Roland and Ocelot, so i don;t think it's as much of a stomp for the ninjas as many seem to believe. I think the cowboys could win this as long as they get in enough shots before it comes down to close combat, because then it'll be the ninjas game. This is pretty close. Really just depends.

#31 Edited by tparks (5000 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: @tparks for more on Jonah Hex. @nickzambuto for more on Ocelot

Honestly, I don't even know if it's necessary for anything on Hex here. I think any one of the cowboys easily solo this. I know all the ninjas are bullet dodgers/deflectors, but these might be the three best shots in comics or any other form of media.

#32 Posted by RetconCrisis (4174 posts) - - Show Bio

Comic ninjas are overpowering the cowboys in this match quite easily.

#33 Posted by CF12793 (2993 posts) - - Show Bio

I very much agree that the ninjas would take this.

#34 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@boschepg said:

@cadencev2:

Did you ever read Image's Cowboy Ninja Viking.

Aint nothing like a CIA trained assassin that has split persona of all three

Interesting.

@tparks said:

@cadencev2: @tparks for more on Jonah Hex. @nickzambuto for more on Ocelot

Honestly, I don't even know if it's necessary for anything on Hex here. I think any one of the cowboys easily solo this. I know all the ninjas are bullet dodgers/deflectors, but these might be the three best shots in comics or any other form of media.

Seem we are in the minority here lol.

#35 Posted by Wyldsong (5679 posts) - - Show Bio

@tparks said:

@cadencev2: @tparks for more on Jonah Hex. @nickzambuto for more on Ocelot

Honestly, I don't even know if it's necessary for anything on Hex here. I think any one of the cowboys easily solo this. I know all the ninjas are bullet dodgers/deflectors, but these might be the three best shots in comics or any other form of media.

Seem we are in the minority here lol.

Personally, I think the cowboy team is getting sold exceedingly short here. Not sure if that is overestimation of the ninjas, or what I think is more likely, lack of knowledge on the cowboy team causing people to underestimate them.

#36 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@wyldsong said:

@cadencev2 said:

@tparks said:

@cadencev2: @tparks for more on Jonah Hex. @nickzambuto for more on Ocelot

Honestly, I don't even know if it's necessary for anything on Hex here. I think any one of the cowboys easily solo this. I know all the ninjas are bullet dodgers/deflectors, but these might be the three best shots in comics or any other form of media.

Seem we are in the minority here lol.

Personally, I think the cowboy team is getting sold exceedingly short here. Not sure if that is overestimation of the ninjas, or what I think is more likely, lack of knowledge on the cowboy team causing people to underestimate them.

More than possible.

#37 Posted by tparks (5000 posts) - - Show Bio

@wyldsong said:

@cadencev2 said:

@tparks said:

@cadencev2: @tparks for more on Jonah Hex. @nickzambuto for more on Ocelot

Honestly, I don't even know if it's necessary for anything on Hex here. I think any one of the cowboys easily solo this. I know all the ninjas are bullet dodgers/deflectors, but these might be the three best shots in comics or any other form of media.

Seem we are in the minority here lol.

Personally, I think the cowboy team is getting sold exceedingly short here. Not sure if that is overestimation of the ninjas, or what I think is more likely, lack of knowledge on the cowboy team causing people to underestimate them.

More than possible.

I think both seem likely.