#1 Posted by IheartZombies92 (2200 posts) - - Show Bio

Colossus

Carnage + Venom

Conditions

  • Morals off
  • Victory by kill only
  • Fight starts off in a football stadium, but can go anywhere
  • Maximum knowledge of each-other
  • No prep
  • 616, vanilla combatants, no extra power-ups

Who wins?

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#2 Posted by Cgoodness (4557 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash or Brock Venom?

#3 Posted by _slim_ (13075 posts) - - Show Bio

Colossus.

#4 Posted by Joygirl (19916 posts) - - Show Bio

Pic shows Brock so I am going with him. Team Symbiote shown pull a win, but it will take a little while to whittle him down. Bottom line though is that he can neither hit nor hurt them, and even a thunderclap should only annoy them for a few seconds.

#5 Posted by Cgoodness (4557 posts) - - Show Bio

If it's Brock then I think Colossus could pull off a win, if it's Flash then I think Symbiotes win. Flash isn't a bad prepster and is more skilled than Brock.

#6 Posted by _slim_ (13075 posts) - - Show Bio

There is nothing the Symbiotes could do to hurt Colossus.

#7 Posted by IheartZombies92 (2200 posts) - - Show Bio

Eddie Brock is Venom, Cletus is Carnage

#8 Posted by paulson3lt (570 posts) - - Show Bio

@_slim_ said:

There is nothing the Symbiotes could do to hurt Colossus.

#9 Edited by CF12793 (2992 posts) - - Show Bio

Carnage is one crazy mofo and Venom is not that bad of a fighter either. they both have a speed advantage over Big C. I can see them pulling off a win by either incapacitating him with their symbiotes or something, maybe Carnage suffocating Colossus via entering his open orifices using his suit.

#10 Posted by _slim_ (13075 posts) - - Show Bio

None of Colossus orifices are at risk.

#11 Posted by OreoAssassin (4932 posts) - - Show Bio

Stalemate He can't hurt the and they can't hurt him

#12 Posted by RogueShadow (10636 posts) - - Show Bio

I go with Colossus.

#13 Posted by CF12793 (2992 posts) - - Show Bio
@_slim_ said:

None of Colossus orifices are at risk.


What makes you say that?

#14 Posted by _slim_ (13075 posts) - - Show Bio

@cf12793: He doesn't need to breathe, that covers the mouth. His eyes and ears are covered by the organic steel, so attacking there should be useless as well.

There's just no way for the Symbiotes to physically hurt Colossus.

#15 Edited by _slim_ (13075 posts) - - Show Bio

I forgot to mention the nose... I'm guessing that's somehow protected as well. But if not I guess that's the Symbiotes chance right there.

Edit: Although if he doesn't need to breathe thru his mouth, then he shouldn't need to breathe thru his nose.

#16 Edited by kgb725 (6440 posts) - - Show Bio

Symbiotes win

#17 Posted by CF12793 (2992 posts) - - Show Bio

@_slim_ said:

@cf12793: He doesn't need to breathe, that covers the mouth. His eyes and ears are covered by the organic steel, so attacking there should be useless as well.

There's just no way for the Symbiotes to physically hurt Colossus.

Didn't know that about Colossus. Interesting.

They don't have to physically harm him to win. Carnage has been shown in the past that he can infect people with parts of his symbiote and psychically control them as long as he wants. He can do the same thing to Colossus.

Carnage and Venom both have better reflexes then Spider-Man. (I think Venom's reflexes are on par with Spider-Man, Carnage is faster than both of them, though, or atleast according to Marvel) so it's not like Colossus will be able to tag them if they didn't want to be tagged.

#18 Posted by jwalser3 (4995 posts) - - Show Bio

Stalemate He can't hurt the and they can't hurt him

Besides a thunderclap.

#19 Posted by OreoAssassin (4932 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3: no way he can hit them there too fast and if he does they'll shrug it off there pretty durable

#21 Edited by mightyrearranger (1578 posts) - - Show Bio

Question for those more knowledgeable than myself: Could this feat apply against Colossus?

#22 Edited by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm curious. How strong is Colossus at this point after separating from Cyttorak? Last I remember, he was a little lower than Ben Grimm's level.

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#23 Posted by _slim_ (13075 posts) - - Show Bio

@cf12793: I'M NOT DOUBTING THEIR SPEED, THEY DEFINITELY HAVE THAT OVER COLOSSUS.

ALTHOUGH I'M NOT SURE IN THE TATIC YOU PROPOSED FOR CARNAGE.

AND SORRY FOR THE ALL CAPS I'M POSTING FROM MY PHONE, AMD IT WANTS TO ACT STUPID NOW.

#24 Posted by OreoAssassin (4932 posts) - - Show Bio

@mightyrearranger: No and yes. Carnage was amped in that arc by expanding his symbiotes mass by eating cattle. That shows why he could affect so many people at once easily. He might be able to do it Colossus since it's less space to cover and easier

#25 Edited by mightyrearranger (1578 posts) - - Show Bio

@oreoassassin said:

@mightyrearranger: No and yes. Carnage was amped in that arc by expanding his symbiotes mass by eating cattle. That shows why he could affect so many people at once easily. He might be able to do it Colossus since it's less space to cover and easier

Ok, yeah; I recall him needing to prepare himself via that method in order to control so many. I was more curious just how the symbiote controls it's target. (Pseudo-)Scientifically speaking, does it simply require skin contact or does it need to enter the host's body in some way?

#26 Posted by jwalser3 (4995 posts) - - Show Bio

@oreoassassin: You sure?

He couldn't handle being applauded at by a weaker version of Hulk.

#27 Posted by OreoAssassin (4932 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3: couldn't handle it? Sure it did damage but that didn't put him down

#28 Posted by mightyrearranger (1578 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3 said:

@oreoassassin: You sure?

He couldn't handle being applauded at by a weaker version of Hulk.

Serious question: Were they at the bottom of the ocean or something for this fight? >.<

#29 Edited by RetconCrisis (3838 posts) - - Show Bio
@_slim_ said:

There is nothing the Symbiotes could do to hurt Colossus.

Unless someone can prove otherwise.

#30 Posted by mightyrearranger (1578 posts) - - Show Bio

@_slim_ said:

There is nothing the Symbiotes could do to hurt Colossus.

Unless someone can prove otherwise.

They kill his sister in front of him...

Does emotional hurt count? :/

#31 Posted by RetconCrisis (3838 posts) - - Show Bio

@retconcrisis said:
@_slim_ said:http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/colossus-vs-carnage-venom-1500785/?messageId=10432354#js-message-30

There is nothing the Symbiotes could do to hurt Colossus.

Unless someone can prove otherwise.

They kill his sister in front of him...

Does emotional hurt count? :/

#32 Posted by HyperViper97 (1342 posts) - - Show Bio

@deranged_midget: if I'm not mistaken he's returned to pre - fear itself levels, maybe a little more considering that Cain got stronger after being the juggernaut

#33 Posted by CaptainGuts (255 posts) - - Show Bio

I have to go with the symbiotes here. 1. They are extremely durable agains blunt force trauma the only thing colossus has offensively here is thunder clapping (which isnt even at professor hulks level). 2. They are much much faster than he is. 3. They aren't slouches in the strength department, if Im not mistaken, venom is around a 40 tonner and carnage is even stronger still. Sure they aren't punching colossus to death but they can throw him through a building using webs, chuck cars,wrap him in tendrils while they beat him with other weapons etc. 4. They also have a slew of other abilities such as their camo and limited shapeshifting that give them even more versatility. 5. Eddie and Carnage are pretty much in a constant state of bloodlust whereas this is not colossus's normal condition granted it is scary when the big fella gets pissed but he's playing towards the symbiotes' strengths here.

venom and carnage 7/10

#34 Posted by God_Spawn (37871 posts) - - Show Bio

@retconcrisis said:
@_slim_ said:

There is nothing the Symbiotes could do to hurt Colossus.

Unless someone can prove otherwise.

They kill his sister in front of him...

Does emotional hurt count? :/

Colossus wants to kill Magik himself. They'd be doing him a favor.

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#35 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@deranged_midget: if I'm not mistaken he's returned to pre - fear itself levels, maybe a little more considering that Cain got stronger after being the juggernaut

I'm just trying to consider power levels as it's not really a fair comparison but Namor effortlessly beat down Mac Gargan as Venom who holds a large physical gap over Brock's Venom. Namor is easily a 100+ tonner though. I never considered Piotr to be one.

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#36 Edited by jwalser3 (4995 posts) - - Show Bio

@oreoassassin: See seemed pretty down when he was stuttering and coughing up green slime.

#37 Posted by jwalser3 (4995 posts) - - Show Bio

Serious question: Were they at the bottom of the ocean or something for this fight? >.<

I know! I was looking over the scan after I posted it and just saw how bland the background was! :P

#38 Posted by God_Spawn (37871 posts) - - Show Bio

@hyperviper97 said:

@deranged_midget: if I'm not mistaken he's returned to pre - fear itself levels, maybe a little more considering that Cain got stronger after being the juggernaut

I'm just trying to consider power levels as it's not really a fair comparison but Namor effortlessly beat down Mac Gargan as Venom who holds a large physical gap over Brock's Venom. Namor is easily a 100+ tonner though. I never considered Piotr to be one.

He's been a class 100 for awhile now.

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#39 Edited by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@deranged_midget said:

I'm just trying to consider power levels as it's not really a fair comparison but Namor effortlessly beat down Mac Gargan as Venom who holds a large physical gap over Brock's Venom. Namor is easily a 100+ tonner though. I never considered Piotr to be one.

He's been a class 100 for awhile now.

Thanks for the clarification. I might be able to see Piotr take out take out Brock, if he can get his hands on him, but Carnage may be a different story entirely.

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#40 Edited by OreoAssassin (4932 posts) - - Show Bio

@deranged_midget: I felt so bad for Venom when namor ripped out his tongue! But venom did rip out his wings of his feet lol

#41 Posted by HyperViper97 (1342 posts) - - Show Bio

@deranged_midget: colossus is easily class 100, Eddie or Cletus shouldn't be able to seriously hurt if that's what you were thinking about

#42 Posted by GrandSymbiote94 (11659 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3 said:

@oreoassassin: You sure?

He couldn't handle being applauded at by a weaker version of Hulk.

A weaker version of Hulk thats still stronger than Colossus.

#43 Posted by GrandSymbiote94 (11659 posts) - - Show Bio

@deranged_midget: I felt so bad for Venom when namor ripped out his tongue! But venom did rip out his wings of his feet lol

I didn't. F*ck Mac. I wish Namor killed him.

#44 Edited by Rickbarry (1775 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't see how having full knowledge of Colossus helps the symbiotes, but Colossus knowing what works best on them seems to be a huge advantage. Couldn't he get rid Carnage by just popping a gas main? I always remembered Carnage being afraid/extremely vulnerable to fire. Colossus already worked over a Mac symbiote twice in the Dark X-men crossover and that version of Venom is the most powerful physically to date, yes?