@god_spawn said:
@Super_SoldierXII: I
Namor is more powerful and therefore pulls more votes in a fight tween the two. However, he is not more deadly
1. don't really get what this matters? It's not a fight to the death.
Namor still has to close the distance to strike with Wolverine. And I have never seen Namor evidence faster reflexes than Logan. Burst speed, and travel speed yes, fighting reflexes? No. Namor hits Wolverine due to his burst speed which is, without doubt, superhuman
2. I don't know where I said Namor has better reflexes than Wolverine, I said he does about Colossus but not Wolverine, I just said he can hit faster which you just agreed to.
As for the rest of the post 3. it's just kind of a ramble of sorts. Yes Wolverine has beaten Namor, yes Wolverine is a better fighter as shown post-Nitro incident, yes Wolverine can kill Namor, I'm not disagreeing with you. But it was only in 1 of those fights that Namor actually utilized his speed and flight properly did he beat Wolverine with a one shot incapacitation. And in that fight if you wanna bring up Wolverine not trying to kill him, Wolverine had his claws an inch from Namor's face and Namor didn't want to fight Wolverine did. Sure Wolverine wasn't going all out, but he was threatening Namor first when fish face only wanted help before getting slapped half way across the grounds. As for tagging Namor in the face, I don't see why you keep bringing it up, you mentioned earlier Wolverine holds back on allies and friends, Namor is an ally so your whole stabbing him in the face is null. Yeah I do agree both teams can gain victories over each other, I never once said it was a stomp, I said Namor can solo, which he can, it would take some effort but he can solo, and with Daken here it grants a bigger advantage. Whether it's going toe to toe with Wolverine who will hold back on Daken while Namor faces Colossus, or Namor faces Wolverine and beats him while Daken plays field mouse with Colossus. Daken can't hurt Colossus but he his fast enough to dodge Colossus all day and if big C gets a shot on him, healing factor keeps him in this.
1. It matters because Wolverine winning means killing Namor. And the point is that this is a distinct possibility as despite him holding back, being pushed to that extreme lies well within Logan's morals. If you want to gloss over that assuming Namor winning is a foregone conclusion (which is what it seemed you were doing at the time stating 'Namor solos') then I simply disagree. If Wolverine loses it, as he is wont to do on occasion, I do indeed see him landing a head shot. He sure as hell didn't hesitate driving his arm through Hulk's torso when pushed too far.
2. Why get so defensive? I'm not attacking you or what you did or did not say. I am sharing points pertinent to this debate.
Where is it I said YOU said Namor had better reflexes? I never claimed you did. I was pointing out that he most likely does not. A fact no one had, conveniently, mentioned. Drawing a distinction between speed, and combat reflexes seemed necessary. You said Namor was faster without noting the important distinction which is relevant to this debate and worth mentioning... so I did. I'll simply know better next time than to address you, personally, when adding something new to the debate at hand as you seem to read it as a personal attack.
In a static battle, I'm not sure Namor can 'hit' faster. He can move faster and has better burst speed as a result of his mobility, but that is all. Wolverine's fighting reflex feats are superior to anything Namor has evidenced ... or that I've seen of him thus far.
3. Rambling huh? If you say so... Whatever. Ain't rambling any more than you do in your retorts. The truth is, all are pertinent points to the debate as all refer to comicbook battles between two adversaries that are going head to head in this thread. Battles wherein Wolverine has either A) won (Enemy of the State) or B) held back then getting incapacitated when Namor ceased holding back or C) held back, avoiding vitals, then gets one shot from behind after fighting Atlanteans, and after getting incinerated by Nitro (etc. etc.)
Mentioning these is not rambling as it illustrates that Wolverine has had very respectable showings against the Sub Mariner.
Conclusion: If Logan loses it, then I do in fact see him driving his claws through Namor's skull. And fighting smart, Colossus will crush Daken using area of effect attacks eventually - as there is positively nothing Daken can do to hurt Petey in the interim. No way Daken avoids Colossus all day long. Petey ain't dumb. If he hits Daken once, it'll be enough to slow him down enough to hit him twice... then three times and it's game over really.
I say this fight can go either way. I give Namor and Daken a 6 or 7 on 10 majority though as Namor will most likely finish Petey before Wolverine finishes Daken, or he'll finish Wolverine before Petey finally tags Daken. Namor does not solo IMO.
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