"The pure power of the WPOTC trumps COIE Anti-Monitor. "
dude come on now "
Ok, I'm coming....
No seriously, WPOTC wins. I'm talking about the pure unbridled force here.
If it's attached to Jean it loses (obviously).
@geraldthesloth said:
" @High Revolutionary: No, it doesn't "
It definitely does. This is unbridled WPOTC wins. Seriously dude. Look it up. "
lol niceand the force of the PF is life, anti-matter=the death of life itself, he's higher on the food chain, he's a probe from guess what? the primal monitor, he was planning on destroying the DCU no one could stop him until plot happened, not even a unbound spectre who had the full backing of the presence. "
all valid points except PF = beyond death that's why her host don't do to Deaths realm when they "die" awaiting rebirth, as a matter of fact all being pass through the White Hot Room before going on to the after life or being born, her spark is pure creation and and her fires bring about the end of all things, including the end of Death as an abstract and a concept "
PF is not beyond death just the spark, something more powerful then life itself can snuff it out aka anti-life "
She is, Death tells her this, he/she/it has no claim on the Phoenix or any of her hosts, thus the White Hot Room, when a Phoenix kills it creates "the rooms" that those it kills go to in the afterlife not Death. @Jx4gz said:
"Spark of creation, like the Big Bang, that would put WCP on Imperiex level, far below AM She loses bad "
yeah like the big bang for the multiverse and the repository for all the infinite life of the present and future multiverses and the force that will consume all this in the natural cycle, as well as being the nexus of all psionic energy past, present and future. "
yet something higher on the food chain can erase it like LT or TOAA or anti-monitor, spark of life does not make you above death only the way it works, your equal, plus this is not the PF AM is facing it's a host and the host CAN die "
if you insist on focusing on merely one of it's functions in the scheme of things then I can see why you keep saying the same thing over and over, she is the spark of creation and the fires of destruction, the Phoenix Force is the start and finish, as well as the reset button, Jean Grey is not a host of the Force she is the Phoenix Force, she is it's avatar not it's host when on the Earth Plane and is fully bonded with it as White Phoenix, when fighting White Phoenix you are essentially fighting the Phoenix Force as since reaching the apex of her evolution as an omega level mutant their is no seperation of the two, canon. "
"The pure power of the WPOTC trumps COIE Anti-Monitor. "
dude come on now "
Ok, I'm coming....
No seriously, WPOTC wins. I'm talking about the pure unbridled force here.
If it's attached to Jean it loses (obviously).
@geraldthesloth said:
" @High Revolutionary: No, it doesn't "
It definitely does. This is unbridled WPOTC wins. Seriously dude. Look it up. "
lol niceand the force of the PF is life, anti-matter=the death of life itself, he's higher on the food chain, he's a probe from guess what? the primal monitor, he was planning on destroying the DCU no one could stop him until plot happened, not even a unbound spectre who had the full backing of the presence. "
all valid points except PF = beyond death that's why her host don't do to Deaths realm when they "die" awaiting rebirth, as a matter of fact all being pass through the White Hot Room before going on to the after life or being born, her spark is pure creation and and her fires bring about the end of all things, including the end of Death as an abstract and a concept "
PF is not beyond death just the spark, something more powerful then life itself can snuff it out aka anti-life "
She is, Death tells her this, he/she/it has no claim on the Phoenix or any of her hosts, thus the White Hot Room, when a Phoenix kills it creates "the rooms" that those it kills go to in the afterlife not Death. @Jx4gz said:
"Spark of creation, like the Big Bang, that would put WCP on Imperiex level, far below AM She loses bad "
yeah like the big bang for the multiverse and the repository for all the infinite life of the present and future multiverses and the force that will consume all this in the natural cycle, as well as being the nexus of all psionic energy past, present and future. "
yet something higher on the food chain can erase it like LT or TOAA or anti-monitor, spark of life does not make you above death only the way it works, your equal, plus this is not the PF AM is facing it's a host and the host CAN die "
if you insist on focusing on merely one of it's functions in the scheme of things then I can see why you keep saying the same thing over and over, she is the spark of creation and the fires of destruction, the Phoenix Force is the start and finish, as well as the reset button, Jean Grey is not a host of the Force she is the Phoenix Force, she is it's avatar not it's host when on the Earth Plane and is fully bonded with it as White Phoenix, when fighting White Phoenix you are essentially fighting the Phoenix Force as since reaching the apex of her evolution as an omega level mutant their is no seperation of the two, canon. "
WHAT? Biggest crock of sh!t I've ever heard. The PF cycles through death. Just look it up. "
The Goblin force ate it :) "
and added it to it's power not destroyed it, nor was this a White Phoenix manifestation, meaning not the full power of the Phoenix so your statement is irrelevant, Necrom tore a piece of it off still didn't make him more powerful than the full force which overloaded and destroyed him when channeled into him. "
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1849/gq2uj9.jpg < Devoured. The White Phoenix is nothing but a manifestation. The actual PF should technically be far more powerful then it's avatar. also, note that a host of Celestials managed to contain it.
" @Tevnoba: Bad editing? the scan in context mentioned the force being consumed. "
The force can't die. Accept it. The avatars can die, but they can be resurrected by the PF. "
Right, and that explains how it got absorbed? Something the Anti Monitor does best? "
The avatar got absorbed.
@MrDirector786 said:
" The Anti-Monitor defies logic. The Guardians were immortal but he was able to kill them anyway. "
That's called PIS. "
Why exactly is it PIS? "
Plot Induced Stupidity is when things happen to suit the plot, that should otherwise not occur. A host of Celesitals stopping the GF, is an example. Killing an immortal is another (it's not immortal if you can kill it). "
I know what PIS is. I asked, how is him killing the Guardians PIS.
" @Tevnoba: Bad editing? the scan in context mentioned the force being consumed. "
The force can't die. Accept it. The avatars can die, but they can be resurrected by the PF. "
Right, and that explains how it got absorbed? Something the Anti Monitor does best? "
The avatar got absorbed.
@MrDirector786 said:
" The Anti-Monitor defies logic. The Guardians were immortal but he was able to kill them anyway. "
That's called PIS. "
Why exactly is it PIS? "
Plot Induced Stupidity is when things happen to suit the plot, that should otherwise not occur. A host of Celesitals stopping the GF, is an example. Killing an immortal is another (it's not immortal if you can kill it). "
I know what PIS is. I asked, how is him killing the Guardians PIS. "
" @Tevnoba: Bad editing? the scan in context mentioned the force being consumed. "
The force can't die. Accept it. The avatars can die, but they can be resurrected by the PF. "
Right, and that explains how it got absorbed? Something the Anti Monitor does best? "
The avatar got absorbed.
@MrDirector786 said:
" The Anti-Monitor defies logic. The Guardians were immortal but he was able to kill them anyway. "
That's called PIS. "
Why exactly is it PIS? "
Plot Induced Stupidity is when things happen to suit the plot, that should otherwise not occur. A host of Celesitals stopping the GF, is an example. Killing an immortal is another (it's not immortal if you can kill it). "
I know what PIS is. I asked, how is him killing the Guardians PIS. "
I answered that. Did you not read the post. A being is not immortal if it can be killed. "
Depends on your definition of immortal. It could simply mean unable to die by means such as disease and age, given the longevity displayed. Keep in mind, the GoTU were also killed by the orange light of avarice as well, so it's not like it's a single occurrence.
I believed you when you said it killed the Guardians. I said that it is plot induced stupidity. Stupidity created to suite the plot. He should not have been able to kill an immortal, because an immortal is immortal. Do you not get it or something?
What the hell is the matter with you? I believed you when you said it killed the Guardians. I said that it is plot induced stupidity. Stupidity created to suite the plot. He should not have been able to kill an immortal, because an immortal is immortal. Do you not get it or something? "
I think Lance Uppercut's post made it more clear. It probably depends on your definition of immortal. Also, sorry, I must have missed the example when you were saying why killing an immortal is PIS.
What the hell is the matter with you? I believed you when you said it killed the Guardians. I said that it is plot induced stupidity. Stupidity created to suite the plot. He should not have been able to kill an immortal, because an immortal is immortal. Do you not get it or something? "
I think Lance Uppercut's post made it more clear. It probably depends on your definition of immortal. "
Immortal = Cannot die
Pure and simple. No exceptional circumstances. That's the definition.
What the hell is the matter with you? I believed you when you said it killed the Guardians. I said that it is plot induced stupidity. Stupidity created to suite the plot. He should not have been able to kill an immortal, because an immortal is immortal. Do you not get it or something? "
I think Lance Uppercut's post made it more clear. It probably depends on your definition of immortal. "
Immortal = Cannot die Pure and simple. No exceptional circumstances. That's the definition. "
Okay then. Also, sorry I must have missed the example you were giving to show why killing an immortal was PIS. I thought you were just telling me what PIS was based off the beginning of the post and assumed the next part was just an example of PIS, but I didn't actually look at it.
"Now then if someone with a tiny shred of credibility cares to make a case for WCP then thats fine Until then AM obliterates her with a simple gesture "
and when someone whose debating skills go beyond, "rabid fanboy" wants to refute her win that's fine too. "
No, I just prefer not to debate with rabid fanboys, I've seen you get owned on a multitude of threads and figure its best to acknowledge someone with knowledge on both characters, so far the only people defending WCP are both Marvel fanboys, so why waste time on a lost cause? She loses, badly "
LMAO.....and the winner is "
ooooo a whole universe eh, last time i checked AM wiped how many of those? "
He destroyed the entire multiverse with minimal effort. I don't think WPOTC could do that.
" Also, sorry I must have missed the example you were giving to show why killing an immortal was PIS. I thought you were just telling me what PIS was based off the beginning of the post and assumed the next part was just an example of PIS, but I didn't actually look at it. "
"Now then if someone with a tiny shred of credibility cares to make a case for WCP then thats fine Until then AM obliterates her with a simple gesture "
and when someone whose debating skills go beyond, "rabid fanboy" wants to refute her win that's fine too. "
No, I just prefer not to debate with rabid fanboys, I've seen you get owned on a multitude of threads and figure its best to acknowledge someone with knowledge on both characters, so far the only people defending WCP are both Marvel fanboys, so why waste time on a lost cause? She loses, badly "
LMAO.....and the winner is "
ooooo a whole universe eh, last time i checked AM wiped how many of those? "
He destroyed the entire multiverse with minimal effort. I don't think WPOTC could do that. "
There was more than minimal effort involved with his destruction, she amputated a universe with a stray thought, she wasn't even aware of what she was doing, without effort the force that she can wield completely can spawn and consume the multiverse just by being, it's what she was made to do "
it is only.:IFE, it's not the multiverse it's only the LIFe in them ultiverse, it did noit make everything, WTF are you talking about, the PF is done on the food chain, anyone with HOTU trumps it,LT trumps it, IG trumps it ect ect liek really now
"Now then if someone with a tiny shred of credibility cares to make a case for WCP then thats fine Until then AM obliterates her with a simple gesture "
and when someone whose debating skills go beyond, "rabid fanboy" wants to refute her win that's fine too. "
No, I just prefer not to debate with rabid fanboys, I've seen you get owned on a multitude of threads and figure its best to acknowledge someone with knowledge on both characters, so far the only people defending WCP are both Marvel fanboys, so why waste time on a lost cause? She loses, badly "
LMAO.....and the winner is "
ooooo a whole universe eh, last time i checked AM wiped how many of those? "
He destroyed the entire multiverse with minimal effort. I don't think WPOTC could do that. "
There was more than minimal effort involved with his destruction, she amputated a universe with a stray thought, she wasn't even aware of what she was doing, without effort the force that she can wield completely can spawn and consume the multiverse just by being, it's what she was made to do "
it is only.:IFE, it's not the multiverse it's only the LIFe in them ultiverse, it did noit make everything, WTF are you talking about, the PF is done on the food chain, anyone with HOTU trumps it,LT trumps it, IG trumps it ect ect liek really now "
The Phoenix Force sparked the big bang of the multiverse, when bios speak of her surviving the end of all that was and then sparking the next one, they are talking about the marvel multiverse, because the end of all that was happened because the M'Kraan crystal was destroyed, the M'Kraan crystal is a fixed point in the multiverse, there is only one and it exists in all realities, shatter it and you end all that, Phoenix Force survived and rebirthed the multiverse as a result, WP is one with the Phoenix Force. "
that what the PF does it gives life to the mutliverse, it did not make the multiverse itself, it does not have that kind of power, it sparks life after beings like LT and TOAA make the ground work ect ect, you blow the PF powers WAY out there
" @MrDirector786: FEAR HIS NOSTRIAL HAIR OF DOOM! Only Bobobobo can stand up to that. But yeah, Anti-Monitor just wipes her out of existence and uses her engry to power himself up. "
Exactly, Marvel fanboys need to get over it, she loses bad AM could destroy her with a simple gesture
"Now then if someone with a tiny shred of credibility cares to make a case for WCP then thats fine Until then AM obliterates her with a simple gesture "
and when someone whose debating skills go beyond, "rabid fanboy" wants to refute her win that's fine too. "
No, I just prefer not to debate with rabid fanboys, I've seen you get owned on a multitude of threads and figure its best to acknowledge someone with knowledge on both characters, so far the only people defending WCP are both Marvel fanboys, so why waste time on a lost cause? She loses, badly "
LMAO.....and the winner is "
ooooo a whole universe eh, last time i checked AM wiped how many of those? "
He destroyed the entire multiverse with minimal effort. I don't think WPOTC could do that. "
There was more than minimal effort involved with his destruction, she amputated a universe with a stray thought, she wasn't even aware of what she was doing, without effort the force that she can wield completely can spawn and consume the multiverse just by being, it's what she was made to do "
it is only.:IFE, it's not the multiverse it's only the LIFe in them ultiverse, it did noit make everything, WTF are you talking about, the PF is done on the food chain, anyone with HOTU trumps it,LT trumps it, IG trumps it ect ect liek really now "
The Phoenix Force sparked the big bang of the multiverse, when bios speak of her surviving the end of all that was and then sparking the next one, they are talking about the marvel multiverse, because the end of all that was happened because the M'Kraan crystal was destroyed, the M'Kraan crystal is a fixed point in the multiverse, there is only one and it exists in all realities, shatter it and you end all that, Phoenix Force survived and rebirthed the multiverse as a result, WP is one with the Phoenix Force. "
that what the PF does it gives life to the mutliverse, it did not make the multiverse itself, it does not have that kind of power, it sparks life after beings like LT and TOAA make the ground work ect ect, you blow the PF powers WAY out there "
You say this like anti-moniter made the multiverse, as a matter of fact the multiverse he is from can function whether he is there or not, her multiverse not so much she is essential, and as the spark of creation it is her energies that created all this, LT has nothing to do with the creation of the multiverse, you have already been told that he was created after the multiverse, while the Phoenix had to be there before him because she is the spark. You also ignore facts, she is more than just life, as the energy of the big bang and a manifestation of the prime life force she also powers the very stars, the abtracts themselves will cease to be if she does, she is all the psionic energy that is was and will be, she is the fire that will end all that is and the resurrection force that will bring it all back. TOAA, God or whatever you want to call it creates forces and abstract beings like the Phoenix and LT to express it's will, Phoenix is it's will to create reality and one day destroy it for whatever reason manifested. "
dude your wrong on so many levels here LT was the FIRST thing that TOAA made not the PF, AM was sent by a force that saw all the DC multiverse as a spec on him aka the primal monitor and he came very VERY close to destorying it all so he is more powerful then the thing that only gives life to the empty multiverse, if TOAA wishes it the PF can be anything, it could be a rock even, she is not needed she is just there, she has CHOSEN not BORN as life, also abstracts are above life and death, they are immortal and can only be stopped or killed by something that is stronger then them, multi-eternity who is all the multiverse itself TRUMPS PF in power, all the PF has been shown to be is life, not the mutliverse,not creation itself it is JUST life that is it and thats all it will be, show me a feat of the PF being more then just life? show me the PF owning the crap out of big name threats such as thanos with IG or HOTU or anything like that, and don't bring in the whole ''omniversal'' thing since the PF was getting kicked all around and only won due to some CRAZY PIS, whta feat does she have other then HOLDING a universe well AM DESTROYS many of them, what proof do you have that the PF is more then life, it's a SPARK of life not a spark of creation itself, you idea is that since the PF was around in the universe before the multiverse was made that makes it powerful? NO it is the SAME power as it was back then it is justl ife that restarts the cycle, LT STILL laid the ground work and was the first thing TOAA made NOT the PF, that is why he is the third most powerful being (someone with HOTU trumps him) in marvelU, if the PF was creation itself NOTHING could touch it yet it's been shown to be weaker MANY times then the likes of LT or others, AM is the death of life and will END the PF.
"Now then if someone with a tiny shred of credibility cares to make a case for WCP then thats fine Until then AM obliterates her with a simple gesture "
and when someone whose debating skills go beyond, "rabid fanboy" wants to refute her win that's fine too. "
No, I just prefer not to debate with rabid fanboys, I've seen you get owned on a multitude of threads and figure its best to acknowledge someone with knowledge on both characters, so far the only people defending WCP are both Marvel fanboys, so why waste time on a lost cause? She loses, badly "
LMAO.....and the winner is "
ooooo a whole universe eh, last time i checked AM wiped how many of those? "
He destroyed the entire multiverse with minimal effort. I don't think WPOTC could do that. "
There was more than minimal effort involved with his destruction, she amputated a universe with a stray thought, she wasn't even aware of what she was doing, without effort the force that she can wield completely can spawn and consume the multiverse just by being, it's what she was made to do "
it is only.:IFE, it's not the multiverse it's only the LIFe in them ultiverse, it did noit make everything, WTF are you talking about, the PF is done on the food chain, anyone with HOTU trumps it,LT trumps it, IG trumps it ect ect liek really now "
The Phoenix Force sparked the big bang of the multiverse, when bios speak of her surviving the end of all that was and then sparking the next one, they are talking about the marvel multiverse, because the end of all that was happened because the M'Kraan crystal was destroyed, the M'Kraan crystal is a fixed point in the multiverse, there is only one and it exists in all realities, shatter it and you end all that, Phoenix Force survived and rebirthed the multiverse as a result, WP is one with the Phoenix Force. "
that what the PF does it gives life to the mutliverse, it did not make the multiverse itself, it does not have that kind of power, it sparks life after beings like LT and TOAA make the ground work ect ect, you blow the PF powers WAY out there "
You say this like anti-moniter made the multiverse, as a matter of fact the multiverse he is from can function whether he is there or not, her multiverse not so much she is essential, and as the spark of creation it is her energies that created all this, LT has nothing to do with the creation of the multiverse, you have already been told that he was created after the multiverse, while the Phoenix had to be there before him because she is the spark. You also ignore facts, she is more than just life, as the energy of the big bang and a manifestation of the prime life force she also powers the very stars, the abtracts themselves will cease to be if she does, she is all the psionic energy that is was and will be, she is the fire that will end all that is and the resurrection force that will bring it all back. TOAA, God or whatever you want to call it creates forces and abstract beings like the Phoenix and LT to express it's will, Phoenix is it's will to create reality and one day destroy it for whatever reason manifested. "
dude your wrong on so many levels here LT was the FIRST thing that TOAA made not the PF, AM was sent by a force that saw all the DC multiverse as a spec on him aka the primal monitor and he came very VERY close to destorying it all so he is more powerful then the thing that only gives life to the empty multiverse, if TOAA wishes it the PF can be anything, it could be a rock even, she is not needed she is just there, she has CHOSEN not BORN as life, also abstracts are above life and death, they are immortal and can only be stopped or killed by something that is stronger then them, multi-eternity who is all the multiverse itself TRUMPS PF in power, all the PF has been shown to be is life, not the mutliverse,not creation itself it is JUST life that is it and thats all it will be, show me a feat of the PF being more then just life? show me the PF owning the crap out of big name threats such as thanos with IG or HOTU or anything like that, and don't bring in the whole ''omniversal'' thing since the PF was getting kicked all around and only won due to some CRAZY PIS, whta feat does she have other then HOLDING a universe well AM DESTROYS many of them, what proof do you have that the PF is more then life, it's a SPARK of life not a spark of creation itself, you idea is that since the PF was around in the universe before the multiverse was made that makes it powerful? NO it is the SAME power as it was back then it is justl ife that restarts the cycle, LT STILL laid the ground work and was the first thing TOAA made NOT the PF, that is why he is the third most powerful being (someone with HOTU trumps him) in marvelU, if the PF was creation itself NOTHING could touch it yet it's been shown to be weaker MANY times then the likes of LT or others, AM is the death of life and will END the PF. "
I started to read that when I realized that you can't be reasoned with nor do you check out canon references when given to you, LT bio states he was made after the multiverse, if the Phoneix sparked the creation how can anyone but her be the first being created by TOAA? LT did not survive the shattering of the M"Kraan crystal, Phoenix is the only being that is stated by bio and issue to have survived this, and LT was present in the story, it ended with the Phoenix guiding Galan to the next. TOAA could have made Phoenix a rock? TOAA could have made LT or anything else into a rock too, what's your point? Eternity by LT's statement is above all other abstract, Eternity tells Jean Grey that the Phoenix can end him and all the others, they are immortal in the sense that they will last until the end of reality, Phoenix will live beyond the end of it, like she did last time it ended. "
alot of what you said comes from x-man comics, the PF is OVER BLOWN there to the point of wtf, there WAS A MULTIVERSE before the creation of 616, LT was right there, also don't think bios are the 100% of people since there not.
"Now then if someone with a tiny shred of credibility cares to make a case for WCP then thats fine Until then AM obliterates her with a simple gesture "
and when someone whose debating skills go beyond, "rabid fanboy" wants to refute her win that's fine too. "
No, I just prefer not to debate with rabid fanboys, I've seen you get owned on a multitude of threads and figure its best to acknowledge someone with knowledge on both characters, so far the only people defending WCP are both Marvel fanboys, so why waste time on a lost cause? She loses, badly "
LMAO.....and the winner is "
ooooo a whole universe eh, last time i checked AM wiped how many of those? "
He destroyed the entire multiverse with minimal effort. I don't think WPOTC could do that. "
There was more than minimal effort involved with his destruction, she amputated a universe with a stray thought, she wasn't even aware of what she was doing, without effort the force that she can wield completely can spawn and consume the multiverse just by being, it's what she was made to do "
it is only.:IFE, it's not the multiverse it's only the LIFe in them ultiverse, it did noit make everything, WTF are you talking about, the PF is done on the food chain, anyone with HOTU trumps it,LT trumps it, IG trumps it ect ect liek really now "
The Phoenix Force sparked the big bang of the multiverse, when bios speak of her surviving the end of all that was and then sparking the next one, they are talking about the marvel multiverse, because the end of all that was happened because the M'Kraan crystal was destroyed, the M'Kraan crystal is a fixed point in the multiverse, there is only one and it exists in all realities, shatter it and you end all that, Phoenix Force survived and rebirthed the multiverse as a result, WP is one with the Phoenix Force. "
that what the PF does it gives life to the mutliverse, it did not make the multiverse itself, it does not have that kind of power, it sparks life after beings like LT and TOAA make the ground work ect ect, you blow the PF powers WAY out there "
You say this like anti-moniter made the multiverse, as a matter of fact the multiverse he is from can function whether he is there or not, her multiverse not so much she is essential, and as the spark of creation it is her energies that created all this, LT has nothing to do with the creation of the multiverse, you have already been told that he was created after the multiverse, while the Phoenix had to be there before him because she is the spark. You also ignore facts, she is more than just life, as the energy of the big bang and a manifestation of the prime life force she also powers the very stars, the abtracts themselves will cease to be if she does, she is all the psionic energy that is was and will be, she is the fire that will end all that is and the resurrection force that will bring it all back. TOAA, God or whatever you want to call it creates forces and abstract beings like the Phoenix and LT to express it's will, Phoenix is it's will to create reality and one day destroy it for whatever reason manifested. "
dude your wrong on so many levels here LT was the FIRST thing that TOAA made not the PF, AM was sent by a force that saw all the DC multiverse as a spec on him aka the primal monitor and he came very VERY close to destorying it all so he is more powerful then the thing that only gives life to the empty multiverse, if TOAA wishes it the PF can be anything, it could be a rock even, she is not needed she is just there, she has CHOSEN not BORN as life, also abstracts are above life and death, they are immortal and can only be stopped or killed by something that is stronger then them, multi-eternity who is all the multiverse itself TRUMPS PF in power, all the PF has been shown to be is life, not the mutliverse,not creation itself it is JUST life that is it and thats all it will be, show me a feat of the PF being more then just life? show me the PF owning the crap out of big name threats such as thanos with IG or HOTU or anything like that, and don't bring in the whole ''omniversal'' thing since the PF was getting kicked all around and only won due to some CRAZY PIS, whta feat does she have other then HOLDING a universe well AM DESTROYS many of them, what proof do you have that the PF is more then life, it's a SPARK of life not a spark of creation itself, you idea is that since the PF was around in the universe before the multiverse was made that makes it powerful? NO it is the SAME power as it was back then it is justl ife that restarts the cycle, LT STILL laid the ground work and was the first thing TOAA made NOT the PF, that is why he is the third most powerful being (someone with HOTU trumps him) in marvelU, if the PF was creation itself NOTHING could touch it yet it's been shown to be weaker MANY times then the likes of LT or others, AM is the death of life and will END the PF. "
I started to read that when I realized that you can't be reasoned with nor do you check out canon references when given to you, LT bio states he was made after the multiverse, if the Phoneix sparked the creation how can anyone but her be the first being created by TOAA? LT did not survive the shattering of the M"Kraan crystal, Phoenix is the only being that is stated by bio and issue to have survived this, and LT was present in the story, it ended with the Phoenix guiding Galan to the next. TOAA could have made Phoenix a rock? TOAA could have made LT or anything else into a rock too, what's your point? Eternity by LT's statement is above all other abstract, Eternity tells Jean Grey that the Phoenix can end him and all the others, they are immortal in the sense that they will last until the end of reality, Phoenix will live beyond the end of it, like she did last time it ended. "
alot of what you said comes from x-man comics, the PF is OVER BLOWN there to the point of wtf, there WAS A MULTIVERSE before the creation of 616, LT was right there, also don't think bios are the 100% of people since there not. "
the phoenix isnt second to anything and can die that other bull was retconned with her being second to nothing, shes powerful but she isnt god almighty.
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