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#1 Edited by slacker the hacker (7810 posts) - - Show Bio

No prep 
To the death both bloodlusted  
fight takes place in a empty Image universe 
No BFR  
this is Multi Eternity

 

                                                                            VS
 


   
#2 Posted by slacker the hacker (7810 posts) - - Show Bio

bump
#3 Posted by mrtrickster (2307 posts) - - Show Bio

coie monitor eats him

#4 Posted by SlimJ87D (9249 posts) - - Show Bio

Eternity takes my vote.

#5 Posted by mrtrickster (2307 posts) - - Show Bio

what part of destroyed multiverse don't people get? AM murderstomp

#6 Posted by RiseofApocalypse (3992 posts) - - Show Bio
@mrtrickster said:
" what part of destroyed multiverse don't people get? AM murderstomp "  
Except the multi-verse itself didn't fight back. And that he couldn't do what you just said instantly. 
------------------------------------- 
Eternity is everything, everywhere. He can't lose to someone at AM's level.
#7 Posted by mrtrickster (2307 posts) - - Show Bio
@RiseofApocalypse said:
" @mrtrickster said:
" what part of destroyed multiverse don't people get? AM murderstomp "  
Except the multi-verse itself didn't fight back. And that he couldn't do what you just said instantly. ------------------------------------- Eternity is everything, everywhere. He can't lose to someone at AM's level. "

eternity is kismet level. the end
#8 Posted by RiseofApocalypse (3992 posts) - - Show Bio
@mrtrickster said:
" @RiseofApocalypse said:
" @mrtrickster said:
" what part of destroyed multiverse don't people get? AM murderstomp "  
Except the multi-verse itself didn't fight back. And that he couldn't do what you just said instantly. ------------------------------------- Eternity is everything, everywhere. He can't lose to someone at AM's level. "
eternity is kismet level. the end "
Eternity is more powerful than Kismet and Kismet never made an appearance in CoIE.
#9 Posted by mrtrickster (2307 posts) - - Show Bio
@RiseofApocalypse said:
" @mrtrickster said:
" @RiseofApocalypse said:
" @mrtrickster said:
" what part of destroyed multiverse don't people get? AM murderstomp "  
Except the multi-verse itself didn't fight back. And that he couldn't do what you just said instantly. ------------------------------------- Eternity is everything, everywhere. He can't lose to someone at AM's level. "
eternity is kismet level. the end "
Eternity is more powerful than Kismet and Kismet never made an appearance in CoIE. "

kismet is multiversal, multi-eternity is multiversal. kismet doesn't has jobbing feats like eternity, in fact kismet almost has not feat. but that doesn't matter, they play the same role in their own respective universe. so stalemate, it's that simple.
#10 Posted by RiseofApocalypse (3992 posts) - - Show Bio
@mrtrickster said:
" @RiseofApocalypse said:
" @mrtrickster said:
" @RiseofApocalypse said:
" @mrtrickster said:
" what part of destroyed multiverse don't people get? AM murderstomp "  
Except the multi-verse itself didn't fight back. And that he couldn't do what you just said instantly. ------------------------------------- Eternity is everything, everywhere. He can't lose to someone at AM's level. "
eternity is kismet level. the end "
Eternity is more powerful than Kismet and Kismet never made an appearance in CoIE. "
kismet is multiversal, multi-eternity is multiversal. kismet doesn't has jobbing feats like eternity, in fact kismet almost has not feat. but that doesn't matter, they play the same role in their own respective universe. so stalemate, it's that simple. "
Kismet is multi-versal? Prove it. She might be the universe, but she's still a relatively weak nobody who couldn't handle Imperiex on her own. And what does Kismet have to do with anything?
#11 Posted by mrtrickster (2307 posts) - - Show Bio
@RiseofApocalypse said:
" @mrtrickster said:
" @RiseofApocalypse said:
" @mrtrickster said:
" @RiseofApocalypse said:
" @mrtrickster said:
" what part of destroyed multiverse don't people get? AM murderstomp "  
Except the multi-verse itself didn't fight back. And that he couldn't do what you just said instantly. ------------------------------------- Eternity is everything, everywhere. He can't lose to someone at AM's level. "
eternity is kismet level. the end "
Eternity is more powerful than Kismet and Kismet never made an appearance in CoIE. "
kismet is multiversal, multi-eternity is multiversal. kismet doesn't has jobbing feats like eternity, in fact kismet almost has not feat. but that doesn't matter, they play the same role in their own respective universe. so stalemate, it's that simple. "
Kismet is multi-versal? Prove it. She might be the universe, but she's still a relatively weak nobody who couldn't handle Imperiex on her own. And what does Kismet have to do with anything? "

nothing suggest she couldn't handle imperiex, and even she couldn't handle imperiex so what? imperiex bust universe, he could take eternity too. and just let you know coie monitor>>>>eternity=kismet.  
now, give me one feat that suggest eternity is even close to peak level monitor? i don't think so
#12 Posted by FinalStar86 (8681 posts) - - Show Bio

COIE AM Is above Multi Eternity

#13 Posted by czarny_samael666 (16888 posts) - - Show Bio

Multi-Eternity. 
 
IIRC COIE AM destroyed thousands upon thounsands universes? Good because, according to LT MU has much more:

#14 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - - Show Bio
@mrtrickster said:
" what part of destroyed multiverse don't people get? AM murderstomp "
did he destroy the physical multiverse or what? physical damage is not everything. in fact, blowing up a universe is not considered making it nothing, bigbang -/- bigcrunch. actually shuma gorath did worst bc he absorbed all energy in existance creating voids in the multiverse. voids in the multiverse is far effective than blowing up a multiverse.
#15 Posted by Prince CortSether (2301 posts) - - Show Bio

Multi-Eternity is way beyond COIE Anti-Monitor in terms of power. This is a stomp in Eternity's favor.

#16 Posted by FinalStar86 (8681 posts) - - Show Bio
@czarny_samael said:
" Multi-Eternity. 
 
IIRC COIE AM destroyed thousands upon thounsands universes? Good because, according to LT MU has much more:
"
He destroyed an infinite number of universes, pre COIE The exact number of universes was never stated so I don';t know where you get the thousands of universe
 
AM would one shot Eternity or Multi Eternity
#17 Posted by Prince CortSether (2301 posts) - - Show Bio
@FinalStar86: No, you've got it all wrong.
 
COIE Anti-Monitor didn't have the power of anything near a multiverse. He had near the equivalent of a single large universe. The anti-matter universe expanded when a universe of positive matter was destroyed. Anti-Monitor did not get all of the power of the destroyed universe, what happened was his own universe's power increased. All he got was the power of the Anti-Matter Universe and he even says it himself. It's even covered in the very same issue regarding how much power AM obtained.
 
Anti-Monitor had the power of 53,000,000 worlds. More than 2,000,000 of them had sustainable life. Marvel has never come out with an exact amount as far as the population of the multiverse, but the fact that there are an infinite number of universes inside it, it's safe to say that there are more worlds, both inhabited and uninhabited, within the multiverse of Marvel than there is inside of the Anti Matter universe. What that basically means is that Multi-Eternity has more power to draw from than Anti-Monitor and as such is more powerful. Anti-Monitor reveals that he used his power to rupture the Wall of Creation and that he needed the life energy belonging to the heroes in DCU in order to complete his next step. That means the power he absorbed wasn't even enough to complete his plan. 
 
Now if you recall DC's origin story it shows that the universes in DC's multiverse weren't laid out next to each other but were stacked in the same space and separated by vibrational waves that kept the universes from coming into contact. It even says, "what should have been one became many". It even says in the first book of COIE "The universe once divided into many parts. Each one different, independent, yet somehow weaker than the whole". This means that even though DC is a multiverse, it's a weak multiverse which only contains the power of a single universe. The Anti Monitor even says the exact same thing in book 4, "The universe was split apart at the dawn of time...each part weaker than the whole it was meant to be". Anti Monitor also states that the universes are separated by vibrations and time.    
 
Also, about Anti-Monitor's power rising along with the destruction of the positive matter universes. Anti-Monitor's universe didn't grow outward and become larger. This is impossible due to the dimensions given for it, as well as the fact that it's impossible for an infinite number of universes to be placed side by side. The Anti Monitor's universe grew more dense as it became more like the original universe in terms of overall power. This means that at COIE Anti-Monitor's maximum power he wasn't even as powerful as a single whole universe since there were still 5 universes to complete the whole. This means that not only would he lose to Multi-Eternity, but he'd probably lose to regular Eternity, since his power falls shy of Eternity by about 5 universes. 
#18 Posted by Inevitable (709 posts) - - Show Bio
If Anti-Monitor reduced an "infinite number" of universes to 52, than it was not actually infinite.
#19 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - - Show Bio
@Prince CortSether said:
" @FinalStar86: No, you've got it all wrong.
 
COIE Anti-Monitor didn't have the power of anything near a multiverse. He had near the equivalent of a single large universe. The anti-matter universe expanded when a universe of positive matter was destroyed. Anti-Monitor did not get all of the power of the destroyed universe, what happened was his own universe's power increased. All he got was the power of the Anti-Matter Universe and he even says it himself. It's even covered in the very same issue regarding how much power AM obtained.
 
Anti-Monitor had the power of 53,000,000 worlds. More than 2,000,000 of them had sustainable life. Marvel has never come out with an exact amount as far as the population of the multiverse, but the fact that there are an infinite number of universes inside it, it's safe to say that there are more worlds, both inhabited and uninhabited, within the multiverse of Marvel than there is inside of the Anti Matter universe. What that basically means is that Multi-Eternity has more power to draw from than Anti-Monitor and as such is more powerful. Anti-Monitor reveals that he used his power to rupture the Wall of Creation and that he needed the life energy belonging to the heroes in DCU in order to complete his next step. That means the power he absorbed wasn't even enough to complete his plan. 
 
Now if you recall DC's origin story it shows that the universes in DC's multiverse weren't laid out next to each other but were stacked in the same space and separated by vibrational waves that kept the universes from coming into contact. It even says, "what should have been one became many". It even says in the first book of COIE "The universe once divided into many parts. Each one different, independent, yet somehow weaker than the whole". This means that even though DC is a multiverse, it's a weak multiverse which only contains the power of a single universe. The Anti Monitor even says the exact same thing in book 4, "The universe was split apart at the dawn of time...each part weaker than the whole it was meant to be". Anti Monitor also states that the universes are separated by vibrations and time.       Also, about Anti-Monitor's power rising along with the destruction of the positive matter universes. Anti-Monitor's universe didn't grow outward and become larger. This is impossible due to the dimensions given for it, as well as the fact that it's impossible for an infinite number of universes to be placed side by side. The Anti Monitor's universe grew more dense as it became more like the original universe in terms of overall power. This means that at COIE Anti-Monitor's maximum power he wasn't even as powerful as a single whole universe since there were still 5 universes to complete the whole. This means that not only would he lose to Multi-Eternity, but he'd probably lose to regular Eternity, since his power falls shy of Eternity by about 5 universes.  "
oh snap. cort is on a roll again. =0 
 
 
 
   
 
 
anyway back to this. 
 
@Lance Bastro said:
" @mrtrickster said:
" what part of destroyed multiverse don't people get? AM murderstomp "
did he destroy the physical multiverse or what? physical damage is not everything. in fact, blowing up a universe is not considered making it nothing, bigbang -/- bigcrunch. actually shuma gorath did worst bc he absorbed all energy in existance creating voids in the multiverse. voids in the multiverse is far effective than blowing up a multiverse. "
#20 Posted by czarny_samael666 (16888 posts) - - Show Bio
@Inevitable said:
" If Anti-Monitor reduced an "infinite number" of universes to 52, than it was not actually infinite. "
Yes. And he failed  to destroyed multiverse, so he can't destroy M-Eternity ;)
#21 Edited by Inevitable (709 posts) - - Show Bio
@czarny_samael said:

" @Inevitable said:

" If Anti-Monitor reduced an "infinite number" of universes to 52, than it was not actually infinite. "
Yes. And he failed  to destroyed multiverse, so he can't destroy M-Eternity ;) "
I am thinking that Multi-Eternity would win, as well.
#22 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - - Show Bio
@czarny_samael said:
" @Inevitable said:
" If Anti-Monitor reduced an "infinite number" of universes to 52, than it was not actually infinite. "
Yes. And he failed  to destroyed multiverse, so he can't destroy M-Eternity ;) "
eternity can not be destroyed unless he is voided. think about it, if eternity is the essence and embodiment of the universe and the body is destroyed and the essence still there, that means he still exist.  and besides.... and i'm only using metaphor now, if a star is destroyed by blowing up.... does it mean the star is gone forever? or does it mean a new star is born? fact is... if a star blows up, the energy is just scattered, and then recollects itself forming a nebula... after that, the energy is condensing as it sparks and that star is created again. so no....  eternity is... eternity. 
 
that is if COIE can void out all energy in existence which it can't.
#23 Edited by FinalStar86 (8681 posts) - - Show Bio
@Prince CortSether said:

" @FinalStar86: No, you've got it all wrong.
 
COIE Anti-Monitor didn't have the power of anything near a multiverse. He had near the equivalent of a single large universe. The anti-matter universe expanded when a universe of positive matter was destroyed. Anti-Monitor did not get all of the power of the destroyed universe, what happened was his own universe's power increased. All he got was the power of the Anti-Matter Universe and he even says it himself. It's even covered in the very same issue regarding how much power AM obtained.
 
Anti-Monitor had the power of 53,000,000 worlds. More than 2,000,000 of them had sustainable life. Marvel has never come out with an exact amount as far as the population of the multiverse, but the fact that there are an infinite number of universes inside it, it's safe to say that there are more worlds, both inhabited and uninhabited, within the multiverse of Marvel than there is inside of the Anti Matter universe. What that basically means is that Multi-Eternity has more power to draw from than Anti-Monitor and as such is more powerful. Anti-Monitor reveals that he used his power to rupture the Wall of Creation and that he needed the life energy belonging to the heroes in DCU in order to complete his next step. That means the power he absorbed wasn't even enough to complete his plan. 
 
Now if you recall DC's origin story it shows that the universes in DC's multiverse weren't laid out next to each other but were stacked in the same space and separated by vibrational waves that kept the universes from coming into contact. It even says, "what should have been one became many". It even says in the first book of COIE "The universe once divided into many parts. Each one different, independent, yet somehow weaker than the whole". This means that even though DC is a multiverse, it's a weak multiverse which only contains the power of a single universe. The Anti Monitor even says the exact same thing in book 4, "The universe was split apart at the dawn of time...each part weaker than the whole it was meant to be". Anti Monitor also states that the universes are separated by vibrations and time.       Also, about Anti-Monitor's power rising along with the destruction of the positive matter universes. Anti-Monitor's universe didn't grow outward and become larger. This is impossible due to the dimensions given for it, as well as the fact that it's impossible for an infinite number of universes to be placed side by side. The Anti Monitor's universe grew more dense as it became more like the original universe in terms of overall power. This means that at COIE Anti-Monitor's maximum power he wasn't even as powerful as a single whole universe since there were still 5 universes to complete the whole. This means that not only would he lose to Multi-Eternity, but he'd probably lose to regular Eternity, since his power falls shy of Eternity by about 5 universes.  "

This post was credible up until the part where you claimed that AM at full power never had the power of a single whole universe when he had that prior to COIE and prior to absorbing any universes.  
You're also making a claim on how many universes AM had actually absorbed when the original number was never stated.  If you wanted to go by how many universes worth of power each being had, you might of gotten away with that, if we went by on panel feats and showings then this would be a slaughter in AM's favor
 

@Inevitable

said:

" If Anti-Monitor reduced an "infinite number" of universes to 52, than it was not actually infinite. "


The original number was never stated, and I don't believe Marvel has an infinite number of universes either. 
 

@czarny_samael

said:

" @Inevitable said:

" If Anti-Monitor reduced an "infinite number" of universes to 52, than it was not actually infinite. "

Yes. And he failed  to destroyed multiverse, so he can't destroy M-Eternity ;) "

He failed due to plot, take that out and he would of succeeded. 
 
 
#24 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - - Show Bio
@FinalStar86 said:
" @Prince CortSether said:
" @FinalStar86: No, you've got it all wrong.
 
COIE Anti-Monitor didn't have the power of anything near a multiverse. He had near the equivalent of a single large universe. The anti-matter universe expanded when a universe of positive matter was destroyed. Anti-Monitor did not get all of the power of the destroyed universe, what happened was his own universe's power increased. All he got was the power of the Anti-Matter Universe and he even says it himself. It's even covered in the very same issue regarding how much power AM obtained.
 
Anti-Monitor had the power of 53,000,000 worlds. More than 2,000,000 of them had sustainable life. Marvel has never come out with an exact amount as far as the population of the multiverse, but the fact that there are an infinite number of universes inside it, it's safe to say that there are more worlds, both inhabited and uninhabited, within the multiverse of Marvel than there is inside of the Anti Matter universe. What that basically means is that Multi-Eternity has more power to draw from than Anti-Monitor and as such is more powerful. Anti-Monitor reveals that he used his power to rupture the Wall of Creation and that he needed the life energy belonging to the heroes in DCU in order to complete his next step. That means the power he absorbed wasn't even enough to complete his plan. 
 
Now if you recall DC's origin story it shows that the universes in DC's multiverse weren't laid out next to each other but were stacked in the same space and separated by vibrational waves that kept the universes from coming into contact. It even says, "what should have been one became many". It even says in the first book of COIE "The universe once divided into many parts. Each one different, independent, yet somehow weaker than the whole". This means that even though DC is a multiverse, it's a weak multiverse which only contains the power of a single universe. The Anti Monitor even says the exact same thing in book 4, "The universe was split apart at the dawn of time...each part weaker than the whole it was meant to be". Anti Monitor also states that the universes are separated by vibrations and time.       Also, about Anti-Monitor's power rising along with the destruction of the positive matter universes. Anti-Monitor's universe didn't grow outward and become larger. This is impossible due to the dimensions given for it, as well as the fact that it's impossible for an infinite number of universes to be placed side by side. The Anti Monitor's universe grew more dense as it became more like the original universe in terms of overall power. This means that at COIE Anti-Monitor's maximum power he wasn't even as powerful as a single whole universe since there were still 5 universes to complete the whole. This means that not only would he lose to Multi-Eternity, but he'd probably lose to regular Eternity, since his power falls shy of Eternity by about 5 universes.  "
This post was credible up until the part where you claimed that AM at full power never had the power of a single whole universe when he had that prior to COIE and prior to absorbing any universes.  
You're also making a claim on how many universes AM had actually absorbed when the original number was never stated.  If you wanted to go by how many universes worth of power each being had, you might of gotten away with that, if we went by on panel feats and showings then this would be a slaughter in AM's favor
 
@Inevitable said:
" If Anti-Monitor reduced an "infinite number" of universes to 52, than it was not actually infinite. "

The original number was never stated, and I don't believe Marvel has an infinite number of universes either. 
 
@czarny_samael said:
" @Inevitable said:
" If Anti-Monitor reduced an "infinite number" of universes to 52, than it was not actually infinite. "
Yes. And he failed  to destroyed multiverse, so he can't destroy M-Eternity ;) "
He failed due to plot, take that out and he would of succeeded.  "
how would you compare CIEO to ZHParalax or O. ion?
#25 Posted by Freefa11 (2335 posts) - - Show Bio
@mrtrickster said: 
nothing suggest she couldn't handle imperiex, and even she couldn't handle imperiex so what? imperiex bust universe, he could take eternity too. and just let you know coie monitor>>>>eternity=kismet.  now, give me one feat that suggest eternity is even close to peak level monitor? i don't think so "
Kismet couldn't even handle Dominus.
#26 Posted by TonyMack510 (549 posts) - - Show Bio

                                                                                                                          COIE Anti-Monitor Stomp


#27 Posted by mrtrickster (2307 posts) - - Show Bio
@Freefa11 said:
" @mrtrickster said: 
nothing suggest she couldn't handle imperiex, and even she couldn't handle imperiex so what? imperiex bust universe, he could take eternity too. and just let you know coie monitor>>>>eternity=kismet.  now, give me one feat that suggest eternity is even close to peak level monitor? i don't think so "
Kismet couldn't even handle Dominus. "

do you really want me to start on who eternity jobbed to?
#28 Posted by FinalStar86 (8681 posts) - - Show Bio

 
@Lance Bastro said:

 that is if COIE can void out all energy in existence which it can't. "


Except that is exactly what he would of done had it been for plot.   
#29 Posted by Freefa11 (2335 posts) - - Show Bio
@mrtrickster said: 
do you really want me to start on who eternity jobbed to? "
No need, I am aware that Eternity probably has the worst track record of any being of his supposed power level. Really, it seems most of the time writers only bring him into a story to show off how uber-powerful someone else is. I'm just saying Kismet never seemed like she was even supposed to be all that powerful, so I don't see why bringing her up would really matter, especially since I don't think she ever fought Anti Monitor for a comparison.
#30 Posted by FLCL1 (9580 posts) - - Show Bio
@FinalStar86 said:
"COIE AM Is above Multi Eternity "
#31 Posted by mrtrickster (2307 posts) - - Show Bio
@Freefa11 said:
" @mrtrickster said: 
do you really want me to start on who eternity jobbed to? "
No need, I am aware that Eternity probably has the worst track record of any being of his supposed power level. Really, it seems most of the time writers only bring him into a story to show off how uber-powerful someone else is. I'm just saying Kismet never seemed like she was even supposed to be all that powerful, so I don't see why bringing her up would really matter, especially since I don't think she ever fought Anti Monitor for a comparison. "

1. kismet is equivalent role in dc as eternity in marvel, unless you wanna be bias, they are equal 
2. peak level anti monitor's feats triumph any marvel abstracts. that's a fact.
#32 Posted by Hellos (8898 posts) - - Show Bio
@mrtrickster said:
"@Freefa11 said:
" @mrtrickster said: 
do you really want me to start on who eternity jobbed to? "
No need, I am aware that Eternity probably has the worst track record of any being of his supposed power level. Really, it seems most of the time writers only bring him into a story to show off how uber-powerful someone else is. I'm just saying Kismet never seemed like she was even supposed to be all that powerful, so I don't see why bringing her up would really matter, especially since I don't think she ever fought Anti Monitor for a comparison. "
1. kismet is equivalent role in dc as eternity in marvel, unless you wanna be bias, they are equal 2. peak level anti monitor's feats triumph any marvel abstracts. that's a fact. "

1. Same role doesn't give you the amount of power. 
2. AM would have had a lot more trouble if he had to fight entire cosmic pantheons.
#33 Posted by mrtrickster (2307 posts) - - Show Bio
@Hellos said:
"@mrtrickster said:
"@Freefa11 said:
" @mrtrickster said: 
do you really want me to start on who eternity jobbed to? "
No need, I am aware that Eternity probably has the worst track record of any being of his supposed power level. Really, it seems most of the time writers only bring him into a story to show off how uber-powerful someone else is. I'm just saying Kismet never seemed like she was even supposed to be all that powerful, so I don't see why bringing her up would really matter, especially since I don't think she ever fought Anti Monitor for a comparison. "
1. kismet is equivalent role in dc as eternity in marvel, unless you wanna be bias, they are equal 2. peak level anti monitor's feats triumph any marvel abstracts. that's a fact. "
1. Same role doesn't give you the amount of power. 2. AM would have had a lot more trouble if he had to fight entire cosmic pantheons. "

1. then how do you know eternity is more powerful than kismet or the other way around? 
2. spectre>eternity
#34 Posted by Prince CortSether (2301 posts) - - Show Bio
@FinalStar86 said:

" @Prince CortSether said:

" @FinalStar86: No, you've got it all wrong.
 
COIE Anti-Monitor didn't have the power of anything near a multiverse. He had near the equivalent of a single large universe. The anti-matter universe expanded when a universe of positive matter was destroyed. Anti-Monitor did not get all of the power of the destroyed universe, what happened was his own universe's power increased. All he got was the power of the Anti-Matter Universe and he even says it himself. It's even covered in the very same issue regarding how much power AM obtained.
 
Anti-Monitor had the power of 53,000,000 worlds. More than 2,000,000 of them had sustainable life. Marvel has never come out with an exact amount as far as the population of the multiverse, but the fact that there are an infinite number of universes inside it, it's safe to say that there are more worlds, both inhabited and uninhabited, within the multiverse of Marvel than there is inside of the Anti Matter universe. What that basically means is that Multi-Eternity has more power to draw from than Anti-Monitor and as such is more powerful. Anti-Monitor reveals that he used his power to rupture the Wall of Creation and that he needed the life energy belonging to the heroes in DCU in order to complete his next step. That means the power he absorbed wasn't even enough to complete his plan. 
 
Now if you recall DC's origin story it shows that the universes in DC's multiverse weren't laid out next to each other but were stacked in the same space and separated by vibrational waves that kept the universes from coming into contact. It even says, "what should have been one became many". It even says in the first book of COIE "The universe once divided into many parts. Each one different, independent, yet somehow weaker than the whole". This means that even though DC is a multiverse, it's a weak multiverse which only contains the power of a single universe. The Anti Monitor even says the exact same thing in book 4, "The universe was split apart at the dawn of time...each part weaker than the whole it was meant to be". Anti Monitor also states that the universes are separated by vibrations and time.       Also, about Anti-Monitor's power rising along with the destruction of the positive matter universes. Anti-Monitor's universe didn't grow outward and become larger. This is impossible due to the dimensions given for it, as well as the fact that it's impossible for an infinite number of universes to be placed side by side. The Anti Monitor's universe grew more dense as it became more like the original universe in terms of overall power. This means that at COIE Anti-Monitor's maximum power he wasn't even as powerful as a single whole universe since there were still 5 universes to complete the whole. This means that not only would he lose to Multi-Eternity, but he'd probably lose to regular Eternity, since his power falls shy of Eternity by about 5 universes.  "

This post was credible up until the part where you claimed that AM at full power never had the power of a single whole universe when he had that prior to COIE and prior to absorbing any universes. You're also making a claim on how many universes AM had actually absorbed when the original number was never stated.  If you wanted to go by how many universes worth of power each being had, you might of gotten away with that, if we went by on panel feats and showings then this would be a slaughter in AM's favor
 

DC's multiverse was stated to be comprised of many universes, each one being weaker than a standard whole universe. All of the universes that AM absorbed put together were not even equal to a standard healthy universe a.k.a. what Eternity would be in Marvel. This is because of the fact that the universes AM destroyed were not as powerful as a single universe in Marvel 616. The universes Anti Monitor destroyed were outright stated to be weaker than they were supposed to be and Marvel has never come out and said that the universes in its omniverse are anything but whole, complete universes.
 
That being said, there's proof that DC's universes of the multiverse contain less power than a single complete universe. The universal aspect of Eternity is a complete universe, meaning that MU holds more power. DCU's multiverse was depicted as a single universe spread out in smaller/weaker units of its original self. Of course I'm talking about how the multiverse of DC was depicted in COIE, I have no idea what writers are saying about its multiverse now. But since this is COIE AM versus Multi-Eternity, the point still stands that AM was weaker than the universal Eternity because his power falls shy by around 5 mini universes. COIE AM wasn't all that he's cracked up to be.  
 

 Multi-Eternity >>> Universal Eternity > COIE AM
#35 Edited by FinalStar86 (8681 posts) - - Show Bio
@Prince CortSether:  Where? Where was this ever stated that each DC universe is weaker then a standard whole universe? And even if that was true, you don't know how powerful a universe there would of been in comparison to a single Marvel universe, that comparison is flat out ridiculous.
 
This was never stated either, all of the DCU universes in the DC Multiverse were stated to be parralel to Earth Prime, never stated to be weaker, you;re going to have to show proof of this statement.  Until then COIE did exactly what Lance Bastro mentioned earlier in which he was about to devour all positive matter energy and universes.  He has more then enough power to beat Multi Eternity effortlessly and Universal Eternity wouldn't have been a minor nuisance to him.  He would of flicked him away faster then Adam Warlock did with the IG
 
Eternity isn't all it's cracked up to be and has a horrible track record, AM wins this very easily
#36 Edited by Prince CortSether (2301 posts) - - Show Bio
@FinalStar86 said:

" @Prince CortSether:  Where? Where was this ever stated that each DC universe is weaker then a standard whole universe? And even if that was true, you don't know how powerful a universe there would of been in comparison to a single Marvel universe, that comparison is flat out ridiculous.  This was never stated either, all of the DCU universes in the DC Multiverse were stated to be parralel to Earth Prime, never stated to be weaker, you;re going to have to show proof of this statement.  Until then COIE did exactly what Lance Bastro mentioned earlier in which he was about to devour all positive matter energy and universes.  He has more then enough power to beat Multi Eternity effortlessly and Universal Eternity wouldn't have been a minor nuisance to him.  He would of flicked him away faster then Adam Warlock did with the IG  Eternity isn't all it's cracked up to be and has a horrible track record, AM wins this very easily "

In the first volume:  "The universe once divided into many parts...Each one different, independent, yet somehow weaker than the whole".
In the fourth voulume, stated by AM: "The universe was split apart at the dawn of time...each part weaker than the whole it was meant to be"
 
The comparison is not at all ridiculous. If you can post something from a Marvel comic showing that the universes that make up its omniverse are weaker than they are supposed to be, then I'll concede. There is no proof whatsoever to show that the universes Anti Monitor destroyed are as powerful as Marvel's 616 universe. The universes destroyed by Anti Monitor were outright stated to be weaker than they were supposed to be, and Marvel has never come out with anything saying its universes are anything other than complete universes. The DC company has never called the whole universe as anything but. DC never said its original universe would be greater in power than other standard universes, just that it would have been a complete universe. This means that the AM had the power of a universe that was nearly complete. Eternity is a complete universe. I have already provided proof that the universes in DC's multiverse had less power than a single, complete universe in COIE. At the same time, Eternity is a complete universe. Therefore, the Marvel universe would contain more power. It's not at all hard to understand. What you're doing is trying to keep both comic companies equal, but in order for you to do that you need to show that the Marvel universe is also incomplete or that the whole universe in COIE was more powerful than a standard universe. 
#37 Posted by FinalStar86 (8681 posts) - - Show Bio
@Prince CortSether:  First and 4th issues of Crisis on Infinite Earth's? Alright, I'll go look into it. 
#38 Posted by Inevitable (709 posts) - - Show Bio
@Prince CortSether said:
" @FinalStar86 said:

" @Prince CortSether:  Where? Where was this ever stated that each DC universe is weaker then a standard whole universe? And even if that was true, you don't know how powerful a universe there would of been in comparison to a single Marvel universe, that comparison is flat out ridiculous.  This was never stated either, all of the DCU universes in the DC Multiverse were stated to be parralel to Earth Prime, never stated to be weaker, you;re going to have to show proof of this statement.  Until then COIE did exactly what Lance Bastro mentioned earlier in which he was about to devour all positive matter energy and universes.  He has more then enough power to beat Multi Eternity effortlessly and Universal Eternity wouldn't have been a minor nuisance to him.  He would of flicked him away faster then Adam Warlock did with the IG  Eternity isn't all it's cracked up to be and has a horrible track record, AM wins this very easily "

In the first volume:  "The universe once divided into many parts...Each one different, independent, yet somehow weaker than the whole".
In the fourth voulume, stated by AM: "The universe was split apart at the dawn of time...each part weaker than the whole it was meant to be"
 
The comparison is not at all ridiculous. If you can post something from a Marvel comic showing that the universes that make up its omniverse are weaker than they are supposed to be, then I'll concede. There is no proof whatsoever to show that the universes Anti Monitor destroyed are as powerful as Marvel's 616 universe. The universes destroyed by Anti Monitor were outright stated to be weaker than they were supposed to be, and Marvel has never come out with anything saying its universes are anything other than complete universes. The DC company has never called the whole universe as anything but. DC never said its original universe would be greater in power than other standard universes, just that it would have been a complete universe. This means that the AM had the power of a universe that was nearly complete. Eternity is a complete universe. I have already provided proof that the universes in DC's multiverse had less power than a single, complete universe in COIE. At the same time, Eternity is a complete universe. Therefore, the Marvel universe would contain more power. It's not at all hard to understand. What you're doing is trying to keep both comic companies equal, but in order for you to do that you need to show that the Marvel universe is also incomplete or that the whole universe in COIE was more powerful than a standard universe.  "
Well said.
#39 Posted by Freefa11 (2335 posts) - - Show Bio
@mrtrickster said: 
1. kismet is equivalent role in dc as eternity in marvel, unless you wanna be bias, they are equal
So does that mean Dominus is more powerful than Eternity? Sure didn't seem like it, what with him getting beaten by Superman and all. I guess Imperiex must be stronger than Eternity too? And Kismet actually merged with Superman to take him down, which would be completely pointless if he was too far below her (I mean, I can't imagine there being a time when Eternity would need to empower Dr. Strange or Silver Surfer to gain strength to fight someone; why not just take them on himself?), so I guess Superman has got to be at least on the level of giving him a bloody nose or something. And Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter too. Wait, but then they have a hard time just moving one planet. That seems a little odd. 
 
What are her feats anyway? Besides running from Dominus and making a somewhat failed attack on Imperiex (which was upstaged by Superman an issue later anyway)?
#40 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - - Show Bio
@Prince CortSether said:
" @FinalStar86 said:

" @Prince CortSether said:

" @FinalStar86: No, you've got it all wrong.
 
COIE Anti-Monitor didn't have the power of anything near a multiverse. He had near the equivalent of a single large universe. The anti-matter universe expanded when a universe of positive matter was destroyed. Anti-Monitor did not get all of the power of the destroyed universe, what happened was his own universe's power increased. All he got was the power of the Anti-Matter Universe and he even says it himself. It's even covered in the very same issue regarding how much power AM obtained.
 
Anti-Monitor had the power of 53,000,000 worlds. More than 2,000,000 of them had sustainable life. Marvel has never come out with an exact amount as far as the population of the multiverse, but the fact that there are an infinite number of universes inside it, it's safe to say that there are more worlds, both inhabited and uninhabited, within the multiverse of Marvel than there is inside of the Anti Matter universe. What that basically means is that Multi-Eternity has more power to draw from than Anti-Monitor and as such is more powerful. Anti-Monitor reveals that he used his power to rupture the Wall of Creation and that he needed the life energy belonging to the heroes in DCU in order to complete his next step. That means the power he absorbed wasn't even enough to complete his plan. 
 
Now if you recall DC's origin story it shows that the universes in DC's multiverse weren't laid out next to each other but were stacked in the same space and separated by vibrational waves that kept the universes from coming into contact. It even says, "what should have been one became many". It even says in the first book of COIE "The universe once divided into many parts. Each one different, independent, yet somehow weaker than the whole". This means that even though DC is a multiverse, it's a weak multiverse which only contains the power of a single universe. The Anti Monitor even says the exact same thing in book 4, "The universe was split apart at the dawn of time...each part weaker than the whole it was meant to be". Anti Monitor also states that the universes are separated by vibrations and time.       Also, about Anti-Monitor's power rising along with the destruction of the positive matter universes. Anti-Monitor's universe didn't grow outward and become larger. This is impossible due to the dimensions given for it, as well as the fact that it's impossible for an infinite number of universes to be placed side by side. The Anti Monitor's universe grew more dense as it became more like the original universe in terms of overall power. This means that at COIE Anti-Monitor's maximum power he wasn't even as powerful as a single whole universe since there were still 5 universes to complete the whole. This means that not only would he lose to Multi-Eternity, but he'd probably lose to regular Eternity, since his power falls shy of Eternity by about 5 universes.  "

This post was credible up until the part where you claimed that AM at full power never had the power of a single whole universe when he had that prior to COIE and prior to absorbing any universes. You're also making a claim on how many universes AM had actually absorbed when the original number was never stated.  If you wanted to go by how many universes worth of power each being had, you might of gotten away with that, if we went by on panel feats and showings then this would be a slaughter in AM's favor
 

DC's multiverse was stated to be comprised of many universes, each one being weaker than a standard whole universe. All of the universes that AM absorbed put together were not even equal to a standard healthy universe a.k.a. what Eternity would be in Marvel. This is because of the fact that the universes AM destroyed were not as powerful as a single universe in Marvel 616. The universes Anti Monitor destroyed were outright stated to be weaker than they were supposed to be and Marvel has never come out and said that the universes in its omniverse are anything but whole, complete universes.  That being said, there's proof that DC's universes of the multiverse contain less power than a single complete universe. The universal aspect of Eternity is a complete universe, meaning that MU holds more power. DCU's multiverse was depicted as a single universe spread out in smaller/weaker units of its original self. Of course I'm talking about how the multiverse of DC was depicted in COIE, I have no idea what writers are saying about its multiverse now. But since this is COIE AM versus Multi-Eternity, the point still stands that AM was weaker than the universal Eternity because his power falls shy by around 5 mini universes. COIE AM wasn't all that he's cracked up to be.      Multi-Eternity >>> Universal Eternity > COIE AM "
multiverse in DC = 1 universe many galaxies.
#41 Posted by FinalStar86 (8681 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lance Bastro said:
" multiverse in DC = 1 universe many galaxies. "
Stop trolling
#42 Edited by FinalStar86 (8681 posts) - - Show Bio
@Prince CortSether said:

" @FinalStar86 said:

" @Prince CortSether:  Where? Where was this ever stated that each DC universe is weaker then a standard whole universe? And even if that was true, you don't know how powerful a universe there would of been in comparison to a single Marvel universe, that comparison is flat out ridiculous.  This was never stated either, all of the DCU universes in the DC Multiverse were stated to be parralel to Earth Prime, never stated to be weaker, you;re going to have to show proof of this statement.  Until then COIE did exactly what Lance Bastro mentioned earlier in which he was about to devour all positive matter energy and universes.  He has more then enough power to beat Multi Eternity effortlessly and Universal Eternity wouldn't have been a minor nuisance to him.  He would of flicked him away faster then Adam Warlock did with the IG  Eternity isn't all it's cracked up to be and has a horrible track record, AM wins this very easily "

In the first volume:  "The universe once divided into many parts...Each one different, independent, yet somehow weaker than the whole".
In the fourth voulume, stated by AM: "The universe was split apart at the dawn of time...each part weaker than the whole it was meant to be"
 
The comparison is not at all ridiculous. If you can post something from a Marvel comic showing that the universes that make up its omniverse are weaker than they are supposed to be, then I'll concede. There is no proof whatsoever to show that the universes Anti Monitor destroyed are as powerful as Marvel's 616 universe. The universes destroyed by Anti Monitor were outright stated to be weaker than they were supposed to be, and Marvel has never come out with anything saying its universes are anything other than complete universes. The DC company has never called the whole universe as anything but. DC never said its original universe would be greater in power than other standard universes, just that it would have been a complete universe. This means that the AM had the power of a universe that was nearly complete. Eternity is a complete universe. I have already provided proof that the universes in DC's multiverse had less power than a single, complete universe in COIE. At the same time, Eternity is a complete universe. Therefore, the Marvel universe would contain more power. It's not at all hard to understand. What you're doing is trying to keep both comic companies equal, but in order for you to do that you need to show that the Marvel universe is also incomplete or that the whole universe in COIE was more powerful than a standard universe.  "
Alright, I read through those issues.  I think you miscomprehended what they meant.  They are stating that the universes had no defense, not that they were overall weaker.  It states on the same page in the first issue of COIE that each Universe had power yet was powerless to defend itself.  It nothing to do with the universes being weaker. 
 
No, and there is no proof of 616 or any Marvel universe being as powerful as any of DC Universes either.  
DC never stated that it's universe was above or below the standard universe, but what exactly is the standard universe? 
There is no standard universe.
 
I'm not trying to keep the companies equal, you're claiming Marvel's universes are more powerful without any evidence of this.  You made the original claim of DCUniverses being weaker when the truth is, there isn't any way to stack them up against each other.  And you also blew it way out of proportion.
Being defenseless does not equal being less powerful. 
 
Bottom line is that you have no idea how DC Universes stack up against Marvel universes and vice verse.  They could be weaker, they could be more powerful as well.
 
 
That being said, AM wins based off feats alone.
#43 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - - Show Bio
@FinalStar86 said:
" @Lance Bastro said:
" multiverse in DC = 1 universe many galaxies. "
Stop trolling "
hm? if the universe is divided, it's still considered 1 of how many other pieces.  if your body is considered one body and you loose your arm, that arm is still your arm. 
#44 Posted by Inevitable (709 posts) - - Show Bio
@FinalStar86 said:
" @Prince CortSether said:

" @FinalStar86 said:

" @Prince CortSether:  Where? Where was this ever stated that each DC universe is weaker then a standard whole universe? And even if that was true, you don't know how powerful a universe there would of been in comparison to a single Marvel universe, that comparison is flat out ridiculous.  This was never stated either, all of the DCU universes in the DC Multiverse were stated to be parralel to Earth Prime, never stated to be weaker, you;re going to have to show proof of this statement.  Until then COIE did exactly what Lance Bastro mentioned earlier in which he was about to devour all positive matter energy and universes.  He has more then enough power to beat Multi Eternity effortlessly and Universal Eternity wouldn't have been a minor nuisance to him.  He would of flicked him away faster then Adam Warlock did with the IG  Eternity isn't all it's cracked up to be and has a horrible track record, AM wins this very easily "

In the first volume:  "The universe once divided into many parts...Each one different, independent, yet somehow weaker than the whole".
In the fourth voulume, stated by AM: "The universe was split apart at the dawn of time...each part weaker than the whole it was meant to be"
 
The comparison is not at all ridiculous. If you can post something from a Marvel comic showing that the universes that make up its omniverse are weaker than they are supposed to be, then I'll concede. There is no proof whatsoever to show that the universes Anti Monitor destroyed are as powerful as Marvel's 616 universe. The universes destroyed by Anti Monitor were outright stated to be weaker than they were supposed to be, and Marvel has never come out with anything saying its universes are anything other than complete universes. The DC company has never called the whole universe as anything but. DC never said its original universe would be greater in power than other standard universes, just that it would have been a complete universe. This means that the AM had the power of a universe that was nearly complete. Eternity is a complete universe. I have already provided proof that the universes in DC's multiverse had less power than a single, complete universe in COIE. At the same time, Eternity is a complete universe. Therefore, the Marvel universe would contain more power. It's not at all hard to understand. What you're doing is trying to keep both comic companies equal, but in order for you to do that you need to show that the Marvel universe is also incomplete or that the whole universe in COIE was more powerful than a standard universe.  "
Alright, I read through those issues.  I think you miscomprehended what they meant.  They are stating that the universes had no defense, not that they were overall weaker.  It states on the same page in the first issue of COIE that each Universe had power yet was powerless to defend itself.  It nothing to do with the universes being weaker.   No, and there is no proof of 616 or any Marvel universe being as powerful as any of DC Universes either.   DC never stated that it's universe was above or below the standard universe, but what exactly is the standard universe?  There is no standard universe.  I'm not trying to keep the companies equal, you're claiming Marvel's universes are more powerful without any evidence of this.  You made the original claim of DCUniverses being weaker when the truth is, there isn't any way to stack them up against each other.  And you also blew it way out of proportion. Being defenseless does not equal being less powerful.   Bottom line is that you have no idea how DC Universes stack up against Marvel universes and vice verse.  They could be weaker, they could be more powerful as well.    That being said, AM wins based off feats alone. "
That is a contradiction.
#45 Posted by FinalStar86 (8681 posts) - - Show Bio
@Inevitable:  That isn't a contradiction, that was exactly what was stated on the same page, and it means that the universes had power but couldn't defend themselves.  Read the book.
#46 Posted by Inevitable (709 posts) - - Show Bio
@FinalStar86 said:
" @Inevitable:  That isn't a contradiction, that was exactly what was stated on the same page, and it means that the universes had power but couldn't defend themselves.  Read the book. "
How can someone have power and be powerless ? You're contradicting yourself.
#47 Posted by FinalStar86 (8681 posts) - - Show Bio
@Inevitable said:
" @FinalStar86 said:
" @Inevitable:  That isn't a contradiction, that was exactly what was stated on the same page, and it means that the universes had power but couldn't defend themselves.  Read the book. "
How can someone have power and be powerless ? You're contradicting yourself. "
Once again, read the book
Once again, pay attention, it stated that the universes had power yet were unable to defend themselves.  Anti Matter is the Kryptonite of Matter. 
#48 Posted by Inevitable (709 posts) - - Show Bio
@FinalStar86 said:
" @Inevitable said:
" @FinalStar86 said:
" @Inevitable:  That isn't a contradiction, that was exactly what was stated on the same page, and it means that the universes had power but couldn't defend themselves.  Read the book. "
How can someone have power and be powerless ? You're contradicting yourself. "
Once again, read the book Once again, pay attention, it stated that the universes had power yet were unable to defend themselves.  Anti Matter is the Kryptonite of Matter.  "
If they had power but were unable to defend themselves, then they didn't have much of power. You still didn't answer my question.
#49 Posted by FinalStar86 (8681 posts) - - Show Bio
@Inevitable said:
" @FinalStar86 said:
" @Inevitable said:
" @FinalStar86 said:
" @Inevitable:  That isn't a contradiction, that was exactly what was stated on the same page, and it means that the universes had power but couldn't defend themselves.  Read the book. "
How can someone have power and be powerless ? You're contradicting yourself. "
Once again, read the book Once again, pay attention, it stated that the universes had power yet were unable to defend themselves.  Anti Matter is the Kryptonite of Matter.  "
If they had power but were unable to defend themselves, then they didn't have much of power. You still didn't answer my question. "
Superman has power, yet is weak against Kryptonite.  Do you get the comparison now? The universes had power but were defenseless against anti matter.  
If you still don't understand then you would have to read the book, because I can't think of a simpler way to explain it.
#50 Edited by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - - Show Bio
@Inevitable said:

" @FinalStar86 said:

" @Inevitable:  That isn't a contradiction, that was exactly what was stated on the same page, and it means that the universes had power but couldn't defend themselves.  Read the book. "
How can someone have power and be powerless ? You're contradicting yourself. "
i believe he's talking about the physical energy of the stars and whatnot. however, the contradictions is that out of the entireDC multiverse (one universe divided) the only part of it that HAS defense is the ones with not just sentient beings, but the one were ALL the hero character rosters are at. that explains why there is only one of each character. there are no parallel universes is DC.