Neither Cloud or Sephiroth is above the mid tier category, to clarify for everyone.
@alphapunk said:
@overlordarthas said:
@alphapunk:
I think Team FF7 would win, just not agreeing with the Supernova Attack.
I think that the animation is just for aesthetics.
That's cool, your opinion and all. I just believe what i see even though the attack is ridiculous and makes no sense lol.
Supernova is one of two things, and I'll explain why in afterwards:
- It's a gameplay filler attack. Meant to look impressive, but has no basis in FF7 continuity.
- It's an illusion. If it does exist, this is the most plausible explanation, as it causes Confuse, Silence, and Slow. Sephiroth has already proven that he has telepathy, illusion casting, and other psionic abilities, so this isn't that big of a stretch.
Why it could not have happened.
This first, and most obvious reason, is that Earth/Gaea still existed post-Final Fantasy 7. There are several sequels, novellas, and short stories supporting the concept that Sephiroth never destroyed the Solar System. Which means, Sephiroth never destroyed the Solar System. Period, there is no ifs, ands, or buts about it. The Solar System still existed, therefore Sephiroth never canonically cast Supernova and destroyed the Solar System. Any feat to prove otherwise is instantly proved false by the fact that Final Fantasy 7 continued to have a storyline post Safer Sephiroth.
The second is that Sephiroth obviously never had anywhere close to that level ability. The most powerful materias in FF7 were planetary level in ability, and Sephiroth required one of them to achieve Meteor. The Black Materia was so powerful it could wipe out a continent sized area in a single attack, and Sephiroth needed that in order to harness the planet's life force. Had he been a Solar System destroying character, he could have easily cracked a hole in a continent under his own power, but he plain and simply couldn't. As proven by the events of Final Fantasy 7 itself. The other Materia was Holy, which allowed Aeris to control the lifestream itself, another planetary level materia.
Thanks for reading,
Floopay
1. Filler attack? The whole game would fall under your explanation.
2. Plausible explanation = guess. Nothing supports the fact that it is an illusion. It's a rumor and fancalc/fiction. I don't see how the attack causing confuse, silence and slow has anything to do with illusion, is every attack that causes such effects an illusion? Maybe ff7 itself is an illusion. Something stated with no shred of proof is a stretch.
Your whole explanation i would say actually supports the attack being real. Even if people refuse to admit to something that happens, period. It happens but let's say we pretend it's a debate about it being real or not.
Earth does still exist, well Supernova doesn't bust the planet to begin with...so..i don't see the argument here honestly. I could care less about inconsistencies in the sequels, FF7 is the original game where these people were introduced and the Sephiroth shows off he is capable of the attack.
You say the most powerful materia were planet level and Sephiroth actually needed the most powerful one to achieve meteor, ehhh that sounds about right to me. There is planet level materia and the most powerful one combined with the most powerful being creating a multi-planet-SS level attack seems more than consistent. Your argument supports that.
Saying Sephiroth could have done this or that is a little silly, we could all say fictional characters could have done this or that but we don't discredit something we see with our own eyes that makes nothing but sense, planet level materia exists + combined with ultimate being = an attack that causes a Supernova, a multi planet level attack.
To say the attack was an illusion is nothing but speculation that cannot be proven, it has no basis.
Look i think the attack is stupid, it jumps past anything else by a lot and is really quite ridulous, with that said it is a ridiculous games ultimate attack. FF games routinely go over the top. It happened, we can ignore the feat and exclude the DC of Sephiroth or durability feat by cloud for the discussion but we can't cover our eyes and make explanations that don't exist.
Please be reasonable,
Alphapunk =)
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