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#1 Edited by TifaLockhart (14051 posts) - - Show Bio

ANYTHING goes.

#2 Posted by OverLordArhas (7790 posts) - - Show Bio

Cloud Strife?

Lightning?

Can you provide pics? :)

#3 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (17443 posts) - - Show Bio

What is this supposed to mean?

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#4 Edited by TifaLockhart (14051 posts) - - Show Bio

Final Fantasy 7 and 13's protagonists battle - feats, game mechanics, all fair game.

#5 Edited by Ciriel (410 posts) - - Show Bio

In that case Cloud wins because he could just summon hundreds of monsters

#6 Posted by NeonGameWave (7784 posts) - - Show Bio

Cloud.

#7 Edited by dondave (37477 posts) - - Show Bio

Cloud ftw

#8 Posted by Rozalia (692 posts) - - Show Bio

@ciriel said:

In that case Cloud wins because he could just summon hundreds of monsters

How ironic. Cloud can't summon hundreds of monsters but its been shown Lightning can, in fact she can summon a lot more then just mere hundreds.
I don't think Cloud can even touch Lightning if she uses her monster army.

#9 Posted by Sovereign91001 (4430 posts) - - Show Bio

Lightning takes Cloud to school and shows him how it's done.

#10 Edited by OverLordArhas (7790 posts) - - Show Bio

Lightning takes Cloud to school and shows him how it's done.

Master Summon, Magic, and Support Materia anyone?

Then Sephiroth shows and beat them both.:)

#11 Posted by MisterWhisper (1920 posts) - - Show Bio

Ummm First strike mastered materia linked to Knights of the round. Game over for lightning.

#12 Posted by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio

Cloud doesn't need an army, he can just summon one super monster. Like Bahamut, Ifrit, or something along those lines.

Not to mention the huge amount of magic at his disposal. And as for taking hundreds of monsters down, well, Zack Fair (who's training Cloud absorbed) wasn't anywhere near Cloud in terms of stats, and he was able to take down a small army of Shinra troops.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#13 Edited by OverLordArhas (7790 posts) - - Show Bio

@floopay said:

Cloud doesn't need an army, he can just summon one super monster. Like Bahamut, Ifrit, or something along those lines.

Not to mention the huge amount of magic at his disposal. And as for taking hundreds of monsters down, well, Zack Fair (who's training Cloud absorbed) wasn't anywhere near Cloud in terms of stats, and he was able to take down a small army of Shinra troops.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Ifrit is low tier, but I agree Cloud would win.

#14 Edited by TifaLockhart (14051 posts) - - Show Bio

What's the case for lightning? I've never beaten 13.

#15 Posted by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio

@floopay said:

Cloud doesn't need an army, he can just summon one super monster. Like Bahamut, Ifrit, or something along those lines.

Not to mention the huge amount of magic at his disposal. And as for taking hundreds of monsters down, well, Zack Fair (who's training Cloud absorbed) wasn't anywhere near Cloud in terms of stats, and he was able to take down a small army of Shinra troops.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Ifrit is low tier, but I agree Cloud would win.

Ifrit isn't THAT low tier. I mean, in FF7 he was. But in Crisis Core, Zack (who was already capable of taking on a dozen or more Shinra Soldiers without effort) failed to put him down. He just slowed him down a bit until he got back up and Sephiroth showed up.

I mean:

(This video brings back so many memories...)

And then there's reality warping, terrain altering, magma spewing Ifrit from Crisis Core.

And then, confirmed by FF7: Crisis Core, and Advent Children. When these things are summoned, they stay summoned until defeated or dismissed.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#16 Posted by TifaLockhart (14051 posts) - - Show Bio

Floopay, you're the best. Seriously.

#17 Edited by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio
#18 Posted by OverLordArhas (7790 posts) - - Show Bio

@floopay said:

Cloud doesn't need an army, he can just summon one super monster. Like Bahamut, Ifrit, or something along those lines.

Not to mention the huge amount of magic at his disposal. And as for taking hundreds of monsters down, well, Zack Fair (who's training Cloud absorbed) wasn't anywhere near Cloud in terms of stats, and he was able to take down a small army of Shinra troops.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

The SOLDIERS that he beat, are they 1st CLASS? (haven't played Crisis Core yet).

In FF 4,5,6,7, 8, 9 , X Ifrit is one of the 1st 3 or five you get early in the game. Well fire element is lack luster in FF anyway.

#19 Posted by Bossmonster (2239 posts) - - Show Bio

What what??? Cloud would crush beyond all reason. Omni-slash alone is enough. Beside the fact that he has higher stats in like every area.

#20 Edited by Rozalia (692 posts) - - Show Bio

What's the case for lightning? I've never beaten 13.

In 13-2 she gets upgraded to a goddess who can take meteors to the face and has practically never ending battles with the games final boss to buy time for her sister. Think Odin vs Surtur in limbo constantly fighting and killing each other, to then be revived and do it all again...the difference is Lightning is stomping the other guy hard and he has to rely on his immortality to stay in the fight and him existing in all time periods to get stuff done.
Beyond the upgrade to her physical stats which were quite high to start with she has gained an immunity to time related powers and a near limitless (if not limitless) number of monsters to fight for her including of course the almighty Odin.

Nothing is stopping Lightning throwing hoards of monsters endlessly at Cloud to wear him down to nothing. Clouds summons are powerful but they are reliant on his magical energy and any monsters they take out can be instantly replaced by Lightning.

#21 Edited by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio

@floopay said:

Cloud doesn't need an army, he can just summon one super monster. Like Bahamut, Ifrit, or something along those lines.

Not to mention the huge amount of magic at his disposal. And as for taking hundreds of monsters down, well, Zack Fair (who's training Cloud absorbed) wasn't anywhere near Cloud in terms of stats, and he was able to take down a small army of Shinra troops.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

The SOLDIERS that he beat, are they 1st CLASS? (haven't played Crisis Core yet).

In FF 4,5,6,7, 8, 9 , X Ifrit is one of the 1st 3 or five you get early in the game. Well fire element is lack luster in FF anyway.

Gameplay power level is irrelevant. Otherwise we could just say Sephiroth is a pushover because you can one shot him with Omni-Slash at the end of the game, or that his attacks are useless because of Escort Guards and Ribbons. But by feats, Sephiroth is one of the Final Fantasy powerhouse villains. Pretty much capable of standing up against...well...almost anyone in the Final Fantasy franchise with ease.

First Class Soldiers: Zack Fair, Genesis Rhapsodos, Sephiroth, and Angeal Hewley

There were swarms of SOLDIER and infantry,armed with guns, grenades, rocket launchers, sniper rifles, assault rifles, SOLDIER swords, etc. Going against one guy with a Buster Sword.

Cloud can cut buildings in half with a swing of his sword (and has), plus has a whole assortment of abilities he can call upon when in battle. He's incredibly resistant to any elemental attack, he is almost immune to blunt force attacks, his body is nearly bullet proof, he can survive fatal wounds without succumbing to so much as a KO, and has godly levels of strength (can shove somebody through a building from a standing position). His speed is sufficient enough to handle two speedsters simultaneously while deflecting bullet fire, and dodge lightning bolts, and AoE attacks with ease (all of this while in a weakened state).

Braver - Steel shredding cone attack

Cross Slash - Stuns opponents

Blade Beam - Ranged attack, produces devastating force

Climhazzard - Provides near limitless cutting power

Finishing Touch - Creates a powerful gust of wind, capable of throwing opponents over a hundred meters with one swing

Omnislash - A fifteen strike counter attack against an opponents attack, particularly useful because he can use it if an opponent leaves an opening in their defenses.

Omnislash v6 - A thirteen strike combo directly into somebodies soul.

Over and above this Cloud has the Fushion Sword, which can split into a wide assortment of weapons and fighting styles. Allowing him one handed, two weapon, and two handed fighting styles, as well as throwing weapons, and etc.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#22 Edited by Rozalia (692 posts) - - Show Bio

And all that still doesn't help Cloud here. Also I'd like to mention that as powerful as Sephiroth is he is clearly low tier on the villain scale. Seymour, Vayne, mecha pope, the ff11 guys and possibly Zeromus are the only main villains he is above. Swordplay and mediocre magic (compared other villains magic) can only get you so far.

#23 Posted by OverLordArhas (7790 posts) - - Show Bio

@floopay said:

@overlordarhas said:

@floopay said:

Cloud doesn't need an army, he can just summon one super monster. Like Bahamut, Ifrit, or something along those lines.

Not to mention the huge amount of magic at his disposal. And as for taking hundreds of monsters down, well, Zack Fair (who's training Cloud absorbed) wasn't anywhere near Cloud in terms of stats, and he was able to take down a small army of Shinra troops.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

The SOLDIERS that he beat, are they 1st CLASS? (haven't played Crisis Core yet).

In FF 4,5,6,7, 8, 9 , X Ifrit is one of the 1st 3 or five you get early in the game. Well fire element is lack luster in FF anyway.

Gameplay power level is irrelevant. Otherwise we could just say Sephiroth is a pushover because you can one shot him with Omni-Slash at the end of the game, or that his attacks are useless because of Escort Guards and Ribbons. But by feats, Sephiroth is one of the Final Fantasy powerhouse villains. Pretty much capable of standing up against...well...almost anyone in the Final Fantasy franchise with ease.

First Class Soldiers: Zack Fair, Genesis Rhapsodos, Sephiroth, and Angeal Hewley

There were swarms of SOLDIER and infantry,armed with guns, grenades, rocket launchers, sniper rifles, assault rifles, SOLDIER swords, etc. Going against one guy with a Buster Sword.

Cloud can cut buildings in half with a swing of his sword (and has), plus has a whole assortment of abilities he can call upon when in battle. He's incredibly resistant to any elemental attack, he is almost immune to blunt force attacks, his body is nearly bullet proof, he can survive fatal wounds without succumbing to so much as a KO, and has godly levels of strength (can shove somebody through a building from a standing position). His speed is sufficient enough to handle two speedsters simultaneously while deflecting bullet fire, and dodge lightning bolts, and AoE attacks with ease (all of this while in a weakened state).

Braver - Steel shredding cone attack

Cross Slash - Stuns opponents

Blade Beam - Ranged attack, produces devastating force

Climhazzard - Provides near limitless cutting power

Finishing Touch - Creates a powerful gust of wind, capable of throwing opponents over a hundred meters with one swing

Omnislash - A fifteen strike counter attack against an opponents attack, particularly useful because he can use it if an opponent leaves an opening in their defenses.

Omnislash v6 - A thirteen strike combo directly into somebodies soul.

Over and above this Cloud has the Fushion Sword, which can split into a wide assortment of weapons and fighting styles. Allowing him one handed, two weapon, and two handed fighting styles, as well as throwing weapons, and etc.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Agreed, but you forgot METEORAIN - Level 3 Limit Break - Cloud leaps into the air and sends six meteors at opponents

#24 Posted by TifaLockhart (14051 posts) - - Show Bio

Um, what? Zeromus was incredibly powerful.

#25 Edited by OverLordArhas (7790 posts) - - Show Bio

@rozalia said:

And all that still doesn't help Cloud here. Also I'd like to mention that as powerful as Sephiroth is he is clearly low tier on the villain scale. Seymour, Vayne, mecha pope, the ff11 guys and possibly Zeromus are the only main villains he is above. Swordplay and mediocre magic (compared other villains magic) can only get you so far.

You forgot Final Kefka, he was an eldrich abomination though.

#26 Edited by Rozalia (692 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_last_son_of_czarnia said:

Um, what? Zeromus was incredibly powerful.

Hence the why I said possibly. Zeromus's plot power level can vary greatly depending how you look at it and the after years did him no favours.

#27 Posted by Tohoma (1439 posts) - - Show Bio

Imma go with Cloud on this just 'cause.

#28 Posted by MisterWhisper (1920 posts) - - Show Bio

Like I have already mentioned, but evidently missed.

You are all thinking too hard.

Mastered First Strike Materia linked to Knights of the Round, kind of game over right there.

#29 Edited by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio

@floopay said:

@overlordarhas said:

@floopay said:

Cloud doesn't need an army, he can just summon one super monster. Like Bahamut, Ifrit, or something along those lines.

Not to mention the huge amount of magic at his disposal. And as for taking hundreds of monsters down, well, Zack Fair (who's training Cloud absorbed) wasn't anywhere near Cloud in terms of stats, and he was able to take down a small army of Shinra troops.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

The SOLDIERS that he beat, are they 1st CLASS? (haven't played Crisis Core yet).

In FF 4,5,6,7, 8, 9 , X Ifrit is one of the 1st 3 or five you get early in the game. Well fire element is lack luster in FF anyway.

Gameplay power level is irrelevant. Otherwise we could just say Sephiroth is a pushover because you can one shot him with Omni-Slash at the end of the game, or that his attacks are useless because of Escort Guards and Ribbons. But by feats, Sephiroth is one of the Final Fantasy powerhouse villains. Pretty much capable of standing up against...well...almost anyone in the Final Fantasy franchise with ease.

First Class Soldiers: Zack Fair, Genesis Rhapsodos, Sephiroth, and Angeal Hewley

There were swarms of SOLDIER and infantry,armed with guns, grenades, rocket launchers, sniper rifles, assault rifles, SOLDIER swords, etc. Going against one guy with a Buster Sword.

Cloud can cut buildings in half with a swing of his sword (and has), plus has a whole assortment of abilities he can call upon when in battle. He's incredibly resistant to any elemental attack, he is almost immune to blunt force attacks, his body is nearly bullet proof, he can survive fatal wounds without succumbing to so much as a KO, and has godly levels of strength (can shove somebody through a building from a standing position). His speed is sufficient enough to handle two speedsters simultaneously while deflecting bullet fire, and dodge lightning bolts, and AoE attacks with ease (all of this while in a weakened state).

Braver - Steel shredding cone attack

Cross Slash - Stuns opponents

Blade Beam - Ranged attack, produces devastating force

Climhazzard - Provides near limitless cutting power

Finishing Touch - Creates a powerful gust of wind, capable of throwing opponents over a hundred meters with one swing

Omnislash - A fifteen strike counter attack against an opponents attack, particularly useful because he can use it if an opponent leaves an opening in their defenses.

Omnislash v6 - A thirteen strike combo directly into somebodies soul.

Over and above this Cloud has the Fushion Sword, which can split into a wide assortment of weapons and fighting styles. Allowing him one handed, two weapon, and two handed fighting styles, as well as throwing weapons, and etc.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Agreed, but you forgot METEORAIN - Level 3 Limit Break - Cloud leaps into the air and sends six meteors at opponents

I forgot nothing, it's the only one not used in two continuities. And when Zack has it in Crisis Core, Cloud isn't enhanced beyond his normal abilities yet, so it still sort of wreaks of being non-cannon. :P

Though Omnislash is more likely than not, an improved version of Zack Fair's "Chain Slash". Just a random bit of info.

@rozalia said:

And all that still doesn't help Cloud here. Also I'd like to mention that as powerful as Sephiroth is he is clearly low tier on the villain scale. Seymour, Vayne, mecha pope, the ff11 guys and possibly Zeromus are the only main villains he is above. Swordplay and mediocre magic (compared other villains magic) can only get you so far.

You forgot Final Kefka, he was an eldrich abomination though.

How is Sephiroth a low tier villain?

Strength goes to him against most characters, as he has lifted over 6,000 tons, as well as slices through entire buildings with zero effort. He has illusion casting, darkness manipulation, telepathy, teleportation, magic, is super fast (something not many other villains can show off), can tank being thrown through buildings without any harm (seeing as many villains get defeated by people with no physical enhancements, that's pretty nice), can absorb souls and gain new abilities, has astral projection, is incredibly skilled, is completely ruthless, and for once, he didn't job to a bunch of teenagers and peak human level characters with a little magic. Cloud's abilities were shown to be near Sephiroth's level, and still he only managed to win because Sephiroth wanted to prolong Cloud's suffering.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#30 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7031 posts) - - Show Bio

I like Final Fantasy 7 much more than Final Fantasy 12, but Lightning would stomp Cloud. Lightning is like a god now (literally).

#31 Posted by Rozalia (692 posts) - - Show Bio

@floopay said:

How is Sephiroth a low tier villain?

Strength goes to him against most characters, as he has lifted over 6,000 tons, as well as slices through entire buildings with zero effort. He has illusion casting, darkness manipulation, telepathy, teleportation, magic, is super fast (something not many other villains can show off), can tank being thrown through buildings without any harm (seeing as many villains get defeated by people with no physical enhancements, that's pretty nice), can absorb souls and gain new abilities, has astral projection, is incredibly skilled, is completely ruthless, and for once, he didn't job to a bunch of teenagers and peak human level characters with a little magic. Cloud's abilities were shown to be near Sephiroth's level, and still he only managed to win because Sephiroth wanted to prolong Cloud's suffering.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Garland - Is Chaos is who is confirmed to be above the other villains.
Emperor Mateus Palamecia - Outclasses Sephiroth in magic by a long way and due to his ruler-ship of both hell and heaven he can't be defeated unless both versions of him are killed.
Cloud of Darkess - Personification of the void that can render existence to nothingness.
Exdeath - At his strongest possesses the power of the void which again can end all of existence.
Kefka - God of Magic who can shoot out city busting beams casually
Ultimecia - Due to how sorceresses pass on their power she has the combined might of what is to be shown at the minimum at least 13 I think it is sorceresses. Can compress time together to become omnipotent and has the strength to pull 4 planets at the same time.

Sephiroth has some pretty good sword skills and his magic is alright but its a laugh to believe he is somehow stronger then villains who make Sephiroth look like a child in the field of magic.

#32 Posted by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio

@rozalia said:

@floopay said:

How is Sephiroth a low tier villain?

Strength goes to him against most characters, as he has lifted over 6,000 tons, as well as slices through entire buildings with zero effort. He has illusion casting, darkness manipulation, telepathy, teleportation, magic, is super fast (something not many other villains can show off), can tank being thrown through buildings without any harm (seeing as many villains get defeated by people with no physical enhancements, that's pretty nice), can absorb souls and gain new abilities, has astral projection, is incredibly skilled, is completely ruthless, and for once, he didn't job to a bunch of teenagers and peak human level characters with a little magic. Cloud's abilities were shown to be near Sephiroth's level, and still he only managed to win because Sephiroth wanted to prolong Cloud's suffering.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Garland - Is Chaos is who is confirmed to be above the other villains.

Emperor Mateus Palamecia - Outclasses Sephiroth in magic by a long way and due to his ruler-ship of both hell and heaven he can't be defeated unless both versions of him are killed.

Cloud of Darkess - Personification of the void that can render existence to nothingness.

Exdeath - At his strongest possesses the power of the void which again can end all of existence.

Kefka - God of Magic who can shoot out city busting beams casually

Ultimecia - Due to how sorceresses pass on their power she has the combined might of what is to be shown at the minimum at least 13 I think it is sorceresses. Can compress time together to become omnipotent and has the strength to pull 4 planets at the same time.

Sephiroth has some pretty good sword skills and his magic is alright but its a laugh to believe he is somehow stronger then villains who make Sephiroth look like a child in the field of magic.

Yet almost all of them are defeated by peak humans.

Garland - Wasn't a god of anything, he was just a guy stuck in a time loop that was immortal. Sephiroth was also an immortal, and with the exception of traveling in time, pretty much outclasses him in all other feats. Though FF1 was one of the hardest games I've ever played (maybe it's because I was so young when I played it)

Palamecia - He was a top class villain, I mean, the guy moved castles. Gotta give credit where credit is due.

Cloud of Darkness - I mean, I suppose she was powerful. But she was only powerful because she had some buffer items you had to destroy before she was vulnerable. Once she was vulnerable she was easily dispatched. Sephiroth had a similar thing going for him, with the whole being unkillable thing (until Cloud actually left his body and entered the life stream).

Exdeath - With the claims as to how powerful he was, he was pretty much unstoppable. But realistically he's killed by a hodgepodge group of humans.

Kefka - I loved Final Fantasy VI, I really did. One of my alltime favorites. However, as powerful as he was, he really didn't show anywhere near the level of control with it to put him above Sephiroth tbh. Sephiroth collapsed a tower that was the size of a small town with a wave of his hand, so the whole city destructive beam that he uses all of what, two times? Doesn't seem that impressive. The most impressive thing he does is construct that tower of his, which gets raided and even after that group fights through all his defensive forces, he still gets killed.

Ultimecia - Mad props. I liked the story of FF8, but hated the gameplay.

Kuja - I liked him, and I thought it was cool that his "master plan" isn't really revealed. But feats wise he doesn't really do anything to significantly put him on Sephiroth's level.

Seymour - He has his summon, but even his mother is sort of lacking in feats to put her on Sephiroth's level. Yeah she killed some trash mobs, but Sephiroth put a Midgar Zolom on a tree for the heck of it, and cuts down buildings with no effort.

Sin - He was really impressive up until all of his limbs got cut off, I mean, after seeing that I can't in good conscience put him on Sephiroth's level.

I would put Sephiroth in the top 5 most powerful villains. His sheer versatility alone should give him a spot, but he's physically the strongest, he also has powerful magic, he has planetary level feats (no not just meteor), he's one of the smartest, and he get beat by a group of superhumans with ridiculous magic...which is more than what can be said for a lot of the final fantasy villains.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#33 Posted by celtic (776 posts) - - Show Bio

Anything goes?

It ends in sex than.

#34 Edited by Kuja9001 (155 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm way above sephiroth, call me when he can life wipe a planet with zero effort.

On topic, if you wanna use gameplay mechanics, Lightning has 999,999 Hp and can hit for 100,000+ per hit in XIII-2.

#35 Posted by Rozalia (692 posts) - - Show Bio

@floopay said:

Yet almost all of them are defeated by peak humans.

Garland - Wasn't a god of anything, he was just a guy stuck in a time loop that was immortal. Sephiroth was also an immortal, and with the exception of traveling in time, pretty much outclasses him in all other feats. Though FF1 was one of the hardest games I've ever played (maybe it's because I was so young when I played it)

Palamecia - He was a top class villain, I mean, the guy moved castles. Gotta give credit where credit is due.

Cloud of Darkness - I mean, I suppose she was powerful. But she was only powerful because she had some buffer items you had to destroy before she was vulnerable. Once she was vulnerable she was easily dispatched. Sephiroth had a similar thing going for him, with the whole being unkillable thing (until Cloud actually left his body and entered the life stream).

Exdeath - With the claims as to how powerful he was, he was pretty much unstoppable. But realistically he's killed by a hodgepodge group of humans.

Kefka - I loved Final Fantasy VI, I really did. One of my alltime favorites. However, as powerful as he was, he really didn't show anywhere near the level of control with it to put him above Sephiroth tbh. Sephiroth collapsed a tower that was the size of a small town with a wave of his hand, so the whole city destructive beam that he uses all of what, two times? Doesn't seem that impressive. The most impressive thing he does is construct that tower of his, which gets raided and even after that group fights through all his defensive forces, he still gets killed.

Ultimecia - Mad props. I liked the story of FF8, but hated the gameplay.

Kuja - I liked him, and I thought it was cool that his "master plan" isn't really revealed. But feats wise he doesn't really do anything to significantly put him on Sephiroth's level.

Seymour - He has his summon, but even his mother is sort of lacking in feats to put her on Sephiroth's level. Yeah she killed some trash mobs, but Sephiroth put a Midgar Zolom on a tree for the heck of it, and cuts down buildings with no effort.

Sin - He was really impressive up until all of his limbs got cut off, I mean, after seeing that I can't in good conscience put him on Sephiroth's level.

I would put Sephiroth in the top 5 most powerful villains. His sheer versatility alone should give him a spot, but he's physically the strongest, he also has powerful magic, he has planetary level feats (no not just meteor), he's one of the smartest, and he get beat by a group of superhumans with ridiculous magic...which is more than what can be said for a lot of the final fantasy villains.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

FF1 - Classic Legendary warriors or Warrior if you go by Dissidia. Can't be called peak human, more demigod level.
FF2 - Okay you got this one but in the Emperor's favour you have to remember that plot wise a big fuss was made about how only with Ultima could the party stand any chance against the Emperor. Yeah Ultima is sucky ass spell unless you grind it out but its plotwise what does in the Emperor.
FF3 - Children yes, but children powered by the crystals. Plus as you say the weakened the Cloud of darkness plus had help from the Dark warriors.
FF4 - Just some typical knight guys + ninja with spellcaster chicks on support. Still plotwise Zeromus wipes the floor with them and only with the power bestowed them by the crystals and the population of the planet do they then go on to beat him.
FF5 - Power of the crystals business here again + plus them had help from the Dawn warriors.
FF6 - Party has Magicite enhancing them.
FF7 - Cloud and Vincent are clearly superhuman for explained reasons. Tifa is somehow superhuman through the power of martial arts and the rest of the party are shown in advent children to not be all that impressive (though could be the limited screentime).
FF8 - The big thing shouted in your ear through out the game is that the Seeds are superhuman and the only force that can stop Edea and then Ultimecia.
FF9 - According to Garland Zidane should be statistically above Kuja in every regard at a base level but due to his upbringing, lack of magic and Kuja not exactly showcasing any physical strength feats he can as you say only be described as peak human.
FF10 - Standard party.
FF12 - Standard party.

Anything goes?

It ends in sex than.

The Internet has a wealth of knowledge and looking at a great many pieces of evidence says that Lightning likes them young so they'll be no attraction.

#36 Posted by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio

@rozalia said:

@floopay said:

Yet almost all of them are defeated by peak humans.

Garland - Wasn't a god of anything, he was just a guy stuck in a time loop that was immortal. Sephiroth was also an immortal, and with the exception of traveling in time, pretty much outclasses him in all other feats. Though FF1 was one of the hardest games I've ever played (maybe it's because I was so young when I played it)

Palamecia - He was a top class villain, I mean, the guy moved castles. Gotta give credit where credit is due.

Cloud of Darkness - I mean, I suppose she was powerful. But she was only powerful because she had some buffer items you had to destroy before she was vulnerable. Once she was vulnerable she was easily dispatched. Sephiroth had a similar thing going for him, with the whole being unkillable thing (until Cloud actually left his body and entered the life stream).

Exdeath - With the claims as to how powerful he was, he was pretty much unstoppable. But realistically he's killed by a hodgepodge group of humans.

Kefka - I loved Final Fantasy VI, I really did. One of my alltime favorites. However, as powerful as he was, he really didn't show anywhere near the level of control with it to put him above Sephiroth tbh. Sephiroth collapsed a tower that was the size of a small town with a wave of his hand, so the whole city destructive beam that he uses all of what, two times? Doesn't seem that impressive. The most impressive thing he does is construct that tower of his, which gets raided and even after that group fights through all his defensive forces, he still gets killed.

Ultimecia - Mad props. I liked the story of FF8, but hated the gameplay.

Kuja - I liked him, and I thought it was cool that his "master plan" isn't really revealed. But feats wise he doesn't really do anything to significantly put him on Sephiroth's level.

Seymour - He has his summon, but even his mother is sort of lacking in feats to put her on Sephiroth's level. Yeah she killed some trash mobs, but Sephiroth put a Midgar Zolom on a tree for the heck of it, and cuts down buildings with no effort.

Sin - He was really impressive up until all of his limbs got cut off, I mean, after seeing that I can't in good conscience put him on Sephiroth's level.

I would put Sephiroth in the top 5 most powerful villains. His sheer versatility alone should give him a spot, but he's physically the strongest, he also has powerful magic, he has planetary level feats (no not just meteor), he's one of the smartest, and he get beat by a group of superhumans with ridiculous magic...which is more than what can be said for a lot of the final fantasy villains.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

FF1 - Classic Legendary warriors or Warrior if you go by Dissidia. Can't be called peak human, more demigod level.

FF2 - Okay you got this one but in the Emperor's favour you have to remember that plot wise a big fuss was made about how only with Ultima could the party stand any chance against the Emperor. Yeah Ultima is sucky ass spell unless you grind it out but its plotwise what does in the Emperor.

FF3 - Children yes, but children powered by the crystals. Plus as you say the weakened the Cloud of darkness plus had help from the Dark warriors.

FF4 - Just some typical knight guys + ninja with spellcaster chicks on support. Still plotwise Zeromus wipes the floor with them and only with the power bestowed them by the crystals and the population of the planet do they then go on to beat him.

FF5 - Power of the crystals business here again + plus them had help from the Dawn warriors.

FF6 - Party has Magicite enhancing them.

FF7 - Cloud and Vincent are clearly superhuman for explained reasons. Tifa is somehow superhuman through the power of martial arts and the rest of the party are shown in advent children to not be all that impressive (though could be the limited screentime).

FF8 - The big thing shouted in your ear through out the game is that the Seeds are superhuman and the only force that can stop Edea and then Ultimecia.

FF9 - According to Garland Zidane should be statistically above Kuja in every regard at a base level but due to his upbringing, lack of magic and Kuja not exactly showcasing any physical strength feats he can as you say only be described as peak human.

FF10 - Standard party.

FF12 - Standard party.

Anything goes?

It ends in sex than.

The Internet has a wealth of knowledge and looking at a great many pieces of evidence says that Lightning likes them young so they'll be no attraction.

Cloud is enhanced via Jenova and Mako

Vincent is enhanced by a godlike being

Cait Sith is a robot, so probably superhuman in at least strength

Red XIII is clearly superhuman, as he can breath fire, jump extreme distances, and can puncture Bahamut SIN's body with his teeth.

Barret is huge, so even at peak human, he's stronger than a normal person (by sheer size). Plus he has the gun for an arm and an extreme amount of combat training.

Yuffie becomes the head of two organization, and is a top tier ninja with extraordinary ability. She can scale walls by running up them vertically.

Tifa is superhuman, like you said, never really explained. More than likely from mako exposure.

Cid isn't enhanced at all. He's just a really great engineer.

However, they are all enhanced via materia, which is extremely canon and essential to the story line.

The big thing about FFI-V is that a lot of the power levels are stated through ancient texts, or things passed down via stories from generation to generation. So it's hard to put an exact figure on how powerful some of these villains really are. And this really goes for a lot of the crystal based Final Fantasies, and several of the others. Realistically, if someone who can't even cut through steel can wound these guys, then Sephiroth should be able to kill them.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#37 Posted by TifaLockhart (14051 posts) - - Show Bio

Floopay, you sell FFVII much better than I ever could. Props.

#38 Posted by randumo24 (4654 posts) - - Show Bio

On the FF villains, you have to remember that Sin was being subdued by Jecht their whole battle. This is the kind of stuff Sin can do when not being held back

#39 Posted by TifaLockhart (14051 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree. Sin is no joke.

#40 Posted by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree. Sin is no joke.

I have to disagree. I thought he was kind of cool until they turned him into a paraplegic with a few swords and a crappy laser cannon that can barely cut through stone. I mean...after that he kinda lost his mojo imo.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#41 Posted by randumo24 (4654 posts) - - Show Bio

@floopay said:

@the_last_son_of_czarnia said:

I agree. Sin is no joke.

I have to disagree. I thought he was kind of cool until they turned him into a paraplegic with a few swords and a crappy laser cannon that can barely cut through stone. I mean...after that he kinda lost his mojo imo.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

I gotta ask, wtf are you talking about?

#42 Edited by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio

@floopay said:

@the_last_son_of_czarnia said:

I agree. Sin is no joke.

I have to disagree. I thought he was kind of cool until they turned him into a paraplegic with a few swords and a crappy laser cannon that can barely cut through stone. I mean...after that he kinda lost his mojo imo.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

I gotta ask, wtf are you talking about?

Right before you enter Sin, you gotta cut off his arms...

I mean, he was cool right up until this point for me (though FFX is one of my least favorite games of all time).

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#43 Posted by TifaLockhart (14051 posts) - - Show Bio

IMO, that makes him more menacing - in order to win, you gotta weaken him and he's holding back due to Jecht's love for Tidus. But disagreement is alright with me.

#44 Posted by OverLordArhas (7790 posts) - - Show Bio

@floopay said:

@rozalia said:

@floopay said:

How is Sephiroth a low tier villain?

Strength goes to him against most characters, as he has lifted over 6,000 tons, as well as slices through entire buildings with zero effort. He has illusion casting, darkness manipulation, telepathy, teleportation, magic, is super fast (something not many other villains can show off), can tank being thrown through buildings without any harm (seeing as many villains get defeated by people with no physical enhancements, that's pretty nice), can absorb souls and gain new abilities, has astral projection, is incredibly skilled, is completely ruthless, and for once, he didn't job to a bunch of teenagers and peak human level characters with a little magic. Cloud's abilities were shown to be near Sephiroth's level, and still he only managed to win because Sephiroth wanted to prolong Cloud's suffering.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Garland - Is Chaos is who is confirmed to be above the other villains.

Emperor Mateus Palamecia - Outclasses Sephiroth in magic by a long way and due to his ruler-ship of both hell and heaven he can't be defeated unless both versions of him are killed.

Cloud of Darkess - Personification of the void that can render existence to nothingness.

Exdeath - At his strongest possesses the power of the void which again can end all of existence.

Kefka - God of Magic who can shoot out city busting beams casually

Ultimecia - Due to how sorceresses pass on their power she has the combined might of what is to be shown at the minimum at least 13 I think it is sorceresses. Can compress time together to become omnipotent and has the strength to pull 4 planets at the same time.

Sephiroth has some pretty good sword skills and his magic is alright but its a laugh to believe he is somehow stronger then villains who make Sephiroth look like a child in the field of magic.

Yet almost all of them are defeated by peak humans.

Garland - Wasn't a god of anything, he was just a guy stuck in a time loop that was immortal. Sephiroth was also an immortal, and with the exception of traveling in time, pretty much outclasses him in all other feats. Though FF1 was one of the hardest games I've ever played (maybe it's because I was so young when I played it)

Palamecia - He was a top class villain, I mean, the guy moved castles. Gotta give credit where credit is due.

Cloud of Darkness - I mean, I suppose she was powerful. But she was only powerful because she had some buffer items you had to destroy before she was vulnerable. Once she was vulnerable she was easily dispatched. Sephiroth had a similar thing going for him, with the whole being unkillable thing (until Cloud actually left his body and entered the life stream).

Exdeath - With the claims as to how powerful he was, he was pretty much unstoppable. But realistically he's killed by a hodgepodge group of humans.

Kefka - I loved Final Fantasy VI, I really did. One of my alltime favorites. However, as powerful as he was, he really didn't show anywhere near the level of control with it to put him above Sephiroth tbh. Sephiroth collapsed a tower that was the size of a small town with a wave of his hand, so the whole city destructive beam that he uses all of what, two times? Doesn't seem that impressive. The most impressive thing he does is construct that tower of his, which gets raided and even after that group fights through all his defensive forces, he still gets killed.

Ultimecia - Mad props. I liked the story of FF8, but hated the gameplay.

Kuja - I liked him, and I thought it was cool that his "master plan" isn't really revealed. But feats wise he doesn't really do anything to significantly put him on Sephiroth's level.

Seymour - He has his summon, but even his mother is sort of lacking in feats to put her on Sephiroth's level. Yeah she killed some trash mobs, but Sephiroth put a Midgar Zolom on a tree for the heck of it, and cuts down buildings with no effort.

Sin - He was really impressive up until all of his limbs got cut off, I mean, after seeing that I can't in good conscience put him on Sephiroth's level.

I would put Sephiroth in the top 5 most powerful villains. His sheer versatility alone should give him a spot, but he's physically the strongest, he also has powerful magic, he has planetary level feats (no not just meteor), he's one of the smartest, and he get beat by a group of superhumans with ridiculous magic...which is more than what can be said for a lot of the final fantasy villains.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Are we talking about Sephiroth with BLACK MATERIA or Crisis Core Sephiroth?

#45 Posted by TifaLockhart (14051 posts) - - Show Bio

How is Black Materia any different from Kefka acquiring power from three goddesses? He had it on him long enough for it to be considered part of his arsenal.

#46 Posted by TifaLockhart (14051 posts) - - Show Bio

I mean, heck, Zeromus shows up last minute. He was Zemus for the majority of the game. I like to use characters on their a game.

#47 Posted by randumo24 (4654 posts) - - Show Bio

@floopay said:

@randumo24 said:

@floopay said:

@the_last_son_of_czarnia said:

I agree. Sin is no joke.

I have to disagree. I thought he was kind of cool until they turned him into a paraplegic with a few swords and a crappy laser cannon that can barely cut through stone. I mean...after that he kinda lost his mojo imo.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

I gotta ask, wtf are you talking about?

Right before you enter Sin, you gotta cut off his arms...

I mean, he was cool right up until this point for me (though FFX is one of my least favorite games of all time).

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

The whole time the group is fighting Sin outside, Jecht is holding Sin back like I was saying. The group had to get plot help to beat this thing that was terrorizing that world for over 1,000 years.

#48 Posted by TifaLockhart (14051 posts) - - Show Bio

And it played with lunar gravity in a cutscene.

#49 Edited by OverLordArhas (7790 posts) - - Show Bio

How is Black Materia any different from Kefka acquiring power from three goddesses? He had it on him long enough for it to be considered part of his arsenal.

Well IIRC, the BLACK MATERIA can end an entire planet depending on the size of Meteor Summoned.

#50 Edited by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio

@overlordarhas:

I assume Sephiroth post-Crisis Core. Black Materia doesn't empower the user at all. This is proven when the party carries it, nobody receives any sort of enhancement. The only thing Black Materia and White Materia do is grant the user control over their respective attacks. One is Meteor, the other is Holy aka the Lifestream.

Even with Aerith carrying the White Materia, which is more powerful than the Black Materia, she receives no benefits from it whatsoever.

How is Black Materia any different from Kefka acquiring power from three goddesses? He had it on him long enough for it to be considered part of his arsenal.

That answers your question as well.

As for Kefka, I feel like there's a lot of misconception as to his real feats after acquire that power. He was able to throw out city busting attacks, and he was able to erect that tower. But a lot of people credit him with the reconfiguration of the planet. But, IIRC, it was the moving of the statues of the three goddesses that distorted the planet.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay