Clea Vs. Raven

I dont think this has been done so who would win this one.

Clea the Sorceress Supreme of the Dark Dimension or Raven the half demon daughter of Trigon.

no Prep.

random encounter

win by knockout or kill

(both mainstream versions)

VS.

clea probably.. more versatile skills due to training.

Ehh... to be brutally honest I dont know much about Clea, other than she's the daughter of Umar and she has some skill at least to keep her free.

But judging on the pedigree on who their parents are, I'd say Raven. Due to Umar (while powerful in her own right) seems to prefer remaining as a power behind Dormarmu. While Trigon is direct and will show up to sort things out if needed.

@laylah bump

Clea is more versatile, experienced, not to mention she has more knowledge on how to properly use her powers. Only thing Raven has above Clea possibly is overall raw power which she gets from her insanely powerful demonic father Trigon.

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@zetsumoto said:

Nothing change, though.

I still maintain my original position of Clea being far above the likes of Raven. She's a high tier character or maybe even a few steps above it when seriously.

I'm not sure about Raven having the advantage over Clea in raw power either.

Clea has consistently operated at planetary levels and above after her training with Strange and mastering the Faltine lineage.

@laylah: On consistent levels Clea is above Raven I can agree, however in terms of them opperating to their full extent, Raven has her beat. When she fully taps into her power, it's like she's become a small portion of Trigon himself.

@heirtothekingdom said:

The same can be said for Clea.

Tapping into her full power with the Flames of Regency makes her equal to the likes of Dormammu and Umar, which I think tops just being a small portion of Trigon. That's a discussion for another time, though.

That may be true, however if we were to compare parents, Trigon>Dormammu and Umar. :P

@Laylah she knows more about Clea than I do. I'd say Raven but idk

@heirtothekingdom said:

I would say it's debatable.

I know enough about Clea to say that she shouldn't lose this

@laylah: How so?

@heirtothekingdom: I haven't seen any feat from Trigon that Dormammu hasn't replicated or done something comparable in an even more consistent basis.

Dormammu has him beat in statements as well.

Raven since i don't remember any feats of Clea against a powerful psionic

@sladeracer: Does Raven always use her empathic abilities in the first assault tho ?

I agree that she wins but Clea is definitly a powerhouse in magic and purely sorcery ability i think she could would pull a win

@sladeracer: I agree that Raven would win then

But Clea is not under Umar,they are in the same tier or with Clea above her since Clea defeated Umar (at least Classic Clea did,idk her current power level)

@sladeracer: Doctor Strange #73 (1974)

They cut off Umar Flames of Regency and the energies of the worshippers,then base Clea and Umar goes 1x1 and Clea wins

Basically that

I back Raven I'll counter if need be

Clea