Classic Thor+ WM Thor Vs Pre-52 Supes+New-52 Supes

All Blood-Lusted

No-Prep

Fight takes place on an indestructible flat Earth where they can go all out

Classic Thor + (Warrior Madness or not)Thor

Vs

(Pre-52)Superman + (New-52)Superman.

I hate Supes' ability to fly so fast, but seeming as they are bloodlusted i suppose they just blitz.

supes 7/10

Warrior madness puts Thor at a disadvantage offensive and defensively, whilst his in that state of rage he will never think tactically or use any energy blasts capable of getting an accurate strike. Gonna give it to Superman. Without WM, Thor could stop time since its classic so there's no fairness in using both or one of these.

There's 2 thors.1 classic and 1 WM.Also I believe Thor's ability to stop time was removed in the classic times and used it like once?

Tie

@reaverlation: That makes more sense, and Thor used his chronokinesis more than 7 times, most of it included travelling forward or past in time but he has frozen a few times. He gave away his terminal energy in the late classic days in around the 200 issues.

Classic Thor MVP Thors win

Hulk beat WM Thor.

@frozen: No he didn't, he punched Thor into the air to save him from an incoming nuke. There was no victor

@frozen: What does Hulk have to do with this?

Wasn't Thor's strength increased 10-fold?

Showings.

@experio: Ah OK thanks for the info

@frozen: It was, but how does that give Hulk a win.

Team one has better damage output, team 2 has the speed advantage.

I would personally favor team 2, although Warrior Madness Thor is going to be very hard to stop.

@reaverlation: No problem

If Thor could stop the time,Team 1 slaughters

If he couldn't stop the time,Pre52 Superman slaughters

I don't see how Hulk could lift Thor off his feet, considering Thor has 10-fold strength which would put his strength easily into the multi-planetary range.

@frozen: Because Hulk is strong, can take a beating and had knowledge to put his strength into a blow sending Thor to the sky instead of his opponent who only wished to trade blows until he wins.

@killemall

Team one has better damage output, team 2 has the speed advantage.

I would personally favor team 2, although Warrior Madness Thor is going to be very hard to stop.

Hulk is strong. Comparable to Thor in strength. However, if Thor's strength is amplified by a factor of 10 then Hulk's punch would not even move Thor. Hulk can have ''knowledge'' to put his strength into a blow, but being 10x stronger than your opponent means Hulk shouldn't have landed any such punch.

@frozen: Hulks strength being inferior doesn't mean he cant hurt or launch Thor into the air, the angrier he gets the stronger and at the time he was fighting Thor they both wanted to kill is each-other. As long as Hulk possesses the strength and durability to tank his hits which he has shown to be capable of doing, there should be no 'he shouldn't have been able to do that'.Thor's mind was full of rage punching like mad man while Hulk knew a bomb was coming so intelligently decided to punch him up wards rather than continue to trade blows which would have led to both their doom

never understand what u guys get by getting into this never ending thor vs superman kind of fights -_-

can't u guys simply take both characters on par and let the pointless debate go? -_-

Hulk does get stronger; however he is usually at Thor's level of strength. He has been angrier in other instances with Thor at normal level. You don't have to explain Hulk's powerset but having your strength increased 10-fold makes a significant difference. When Hulk punched Thor, Thor should have had the strength to not even move. ''Which he has shown to be capable of doing'' is true for only normal Thor --- not a Thor with 10 fold strength.

If Thor was truly a mad man, he should have knocked Hulk out. That showing didn't compliment his abilities.

@experio: This is what Hulk's punch should have done to WM Thor.

@experio: @frozen: dude If Thor couldn't stop the time,he get slaughtered by Pre52 Superman.Thats the end.

Speed matters

@dorukesin: Don't see how that scan was relevant to what I was arguing.

no I'm only asking.Can he stop the time ?

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't precrisis superman once have beyond infinite flight speed(I know how stupid that is)

@trueking95: yes he breaks the bonds of infinity

@dorukesin: How fast can Thor activate chronokinesis? Any scans?

@frozen: Their difference in strength doesn't disregard what is required to move his body, if both Thor and Hulk were at human level strength and he was ten times stronger at that point then your supposition would stand since it would be like Brock lesner vs Rey Mysterio (who is only roughly 3 times weaker) in a fist fight, and Rey could never hope to lift him of the floor with an upper - cut. But in this case their both planetary and while Hulk is at disadvantage strength wise, still has enough to lift Thor's body to the sky with a blow and like-wise. If Thor had the done the same there would be no force resisting the impact. There's nothing wrong with their fight that contradicts his physical stat, being 10 times stronger doesn't prohibit your movement at that level of strength

does thor have chronokinesis ?

@experio: Yes it does. If you're 10 times stronger than another being and someone punches you and doesn't budge, it requires strength not to flinch. Look at the scans I posted to serve example from Justice Society of America Vol 3 #13; a much more powerful version of Superman doesn't flinch, in contrast with the weaker mainstream version who does. The older Superman in that scan isn't even 10x stronger than the pre-Flashpoint version, he's closer to 5. Hercules had enough strength to lift Superman off his feet yet not to the older and more powerful Superman, because of the power difference. That showing does not compliment WM Thor.

@frozen: No it doesnt, that strength to stop you from flinching depends on how your taking it in a fight. Superman didn't want to be moved and would not due his superior strength by supposedly a large margin, were as Thor could care less and rather concentrated in killing Hulk offensively then holding his ground allowing Hulks punches to direct him. If you can remember there was a classic scan were Hulk punches Superman but doesn't move one bit simply because at that time he was ready for his punch and thought defensively going into a neat stance were as another time he was moved by roughly the same strike when caught by surprise. Non-canon but its an accurate example that differentiates the concepts

Thor was taking it right considering he wanted to kill Hulk. If he wanted to kill Hulk then he would not be holding back his strength or his durability. He will be fighting with every ounce of his energy. KC Superman was much more powerful than Hercules and the other Superman, because he had exiled himself in the fortress of solitude for 10 years doing nothing but absorbing yellow sunlight. In regards to Thor, the difference between WM Thor's power and regular Thor's is greater than KC Superman's and Pre-Flashpoint Superman. WM Thor fought Hulk with everything he had, he isn't going to hold back his assets --- Pre-Flashpoint Superman also had time to prepare for Hercules' punch but it did not work. In regards to Hulk vs Superman, that was the Pre-Crisis Superman.

@frozen: Every ounce of his ability offensively, this Thor is only full of rage and cares about putting down his opponent not thinking to stand and relieve himself from moving. I know full well it was Pre-crisis Superman, the example was still suitable,going by your logic Hulk should never have moved him, seeing as thats the same Superman capable of moving dozens of planets and is 100 times stronger, but as soon as he put his strength down with a neat stance much like what KC Superman did, Hercules and Hulk could not move them. This is a different story, Thor doesn't care if he gets moved or not as his only objective is perfecting his punches and staying up until Hulks down for the the count. Hulks 50 times stronger than Spider-man, when Peter punched Hulk's face it turned but going by your logic again, Spider-man should never have been able to tilt him. That notion doesn't apply in comics

Expending all of your energy offensively indirectly means your durability is up to standard. Your body will be ready for attacks more than if not offensive, factoring in adrenaline. He doesn't have to think of taking a punch, his body will already be preparing for such attacks. It's more effective to withstand punches than not fighting. Thor did care about moving, it makes no sense that he attacked him and wouldn't care about what comes back in return. Thor with 10-fold strength has every physical advantage and he's expending it offensively, but Hulk still managed to lift him off his feet. Using the Spider-Man example isn't really that much of a credible example either --- the PC Superman was Bronze-Age; he wasn't 100 times stronger. In fact, Hulk couldn't hurt Superman or do much to him in that entire comic alone. Thor's objective is to kill Hulk, his durability doesn't go down into the toilet.

@frozen: His durability will allow him to stay up not to be un-movable as your claiming by an inferior strength still capable of more than flinching, both the Spider-man and Pre-crisis Superman are suitable examples which you've blatantly ignored without reason. Their similarities overlap their differences, Hulk is more than 50 times stronger than Spider-man but the punches implicated on him turned his head, you may explain why Peter was able to do that cause I already have. Thor on the other hand was only 10 times stronger and Hulk continously directed him with blows.

Yes, it would do exactly what I'm claiming. I think you are underselling how being 10x strongerbenefits, in the notion of powerhouses, strength is emphasized more than it is for street levelers. The Spider-Man example makes no sense, Spider-Man can dance around Hulk but he should not be able to inflict damage upon Hulk without PIS. You are strawing up a dodgy comparison between a street-leveler tilting Hulk and a powerhouse knocking Thor completely off his feet. I did not ignore your Pre-Crisis Superman instance either, Superman literally had no problem with Hulk in that entire comic. Hulk never gave him trouble in the story you are referring to. Characters routinely have better durability when they go all out on a character, Thor went all out on Hulk in a fit of rage; his durability is going to be amplified to the extent that he's exerting his energy not only offensively, but to the point where he's ready to take hits from the opposing character.

@frozen: Goes both ways, I'm acknowledging the strength difference and how much it can change the outcome but you're on the other hand ignoring the reasons why, how Spider-man is able to finch Hulk who posseses planetary strength, your only opposing reason is because he shouldnt have. But if you think using a street leveler is a dodgy and bad example to the fight being discussed then I'll aim higher. How is New 52 aquaman who is roughly 100 thousand tonner able to send Superman who bench pressed the Earth flying, is that pis too? After all Clark is much more than 10 times stronger than him yet Aquaman was able to not only move his upper body but from his possition, I'm pressuming your reason will remain the same that it shouldn't have happened. Other examples include Namor moving Thor with a punch despite Thor being a 100 times stronger, the Thing and collosus do the same, shouldn't Hulk, Superman and Thor be able to withstand their strikes without finching? Almost every comic book fight contradicts your claim. I've provided more than enough examples to prove that guys 10 times weaker can and do consistently finch and move their superiors in strength, your belief is a unique misconception.

Why is moving him being argued? Thor only ways 600+ lbs, unless he was actively trying to not be knocked into the air, I would hope anyone strong enough to move that weight could move him.

Incorrect. Spider-Man can dance around Hulk, however he cannot inflict damage upon him unless it's PIS. I can easily provide suffice counters to your claims: Pre-Crisis Mongul easily smacking around Pre-Crisis Superman with his strength alone, Pre-Crisis Darkseid easily smacking around Pre-Crisis Superman with his strength alone, KC Superman shrugging off the entire JSA with strength alone. Now I'll dig into Hulk/Thor territory, whenever they fight they are evenly matched as they are comparable in physical strength, that is what Hulk and Thor fight with --- their strength. It takes no genius to figure it out, in nearly every fight they have they both brawl with each other. If Hulk's strength is increased by a factor of 10, he'll have the advantage due to the fact that he easily dominates the primary advantage being utilized in the fight. The scan I provided you shows that Superman did have enough time to react, from the point to which Hercules elbowed him. Your claim of Thor not holding back hinders your argument, that only showcases that Thor will be fighting with every ounce of energy --- do you want me to give you examples of characters having far greater durability/punch resistance while they are not holding back? The examples come in the dozens. My belief is not a misconception by any means.

He was actively trying to kill Hulk. And Thor weighs 600+lbs?

It seems you cannot win against Superman on this Vine either...

@frozen: Except thats not whats being argued, Hulk is stronger than Thor's weight so had no problem moving him, that's why all my examples fit the criteria. You don't think anyone 10 times weaker shouldn't be able to move the stronger opponent, cool but they will continue to occur for logical reasons explained. Its misconception on average, Hulk can bench press Thor, punching him up in the air is possible

It has nothing to do with Thor's weight. It's to do with Thor's strength - he's fighting someone that's 10x stronger than him, isn't holding back and is using his full force. The stipulations of the fight must be considered - Thor was not holding back, he was expending every ounce of energy into killing Hulk. His punch resistance would be increased significantly.

@frozen: And what prohibited Hulk from falling was his durability before sending Thor close to orbit, whether Thor's strength was increased by 10 or 20 he will still be moved by someone stronger than what he weighs. His mass wont be equal to as much as he lifts so wont be prohibiting his movement

Hulk has struggled to take on the assault of regular Thor, so now he has durability to take an assault from a Thor that's strength is 10 fold? It doesn't seem a suitable justification. It's got nothing to do with Thor's weight if Thor is exerting his strength against Hulk. He isn't holding back an ounce of it.

Even if we take your claim of Thor pushing at twice the weight of The Earth, that is amplified by 10.

@frozen: Thor striking offensively doesn't register as a resilience defensively, he wasn't holding back strength nor was he directing the muscle available to stop him from being sent flying. The battle hardly lasted long enough to say its not a justification, and Thor's mass is the main point here that counts cause if he did weigh more than what he could carry then that's the only way your opposing claim would stand

Sciency!

Watch out! You are in danger of using logic.

Although if Thor braces himslef to th ground enough and braces himsel to absorb the blow, he might not go flying sometimes.