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#1 Edited by Susanoo (5868 posts) - - Show Bio


Juggernaut (Classic) 
   
Juggernaut has all his classic powers and feats he has ever displayed. Here are the following abilities he has displayed :
Forcefield Probabilities (Projects the FF’s Energy into the hands) - Can get stronger as a fight prolongs, walk on air, reflect or absorb other powers, Can steal momentum around the area and use the inertia of others to repulse right back at them, Absorb momentum of for him to increase speed and reflexes, Can allow him to jump higher than the hulk, Healing Factor, Can repel powers away, Can channel and redirect powers, Shift gravity, Drains an opponent’s stamina, Drains mind control, Teleportation, Open portals, Can act as a vacuum, Can liquefy solids   

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H/P Doomsday 
    
 
Battlefield : New York 
Win Conditions : Death 
Doomsday can die and come back 15 times. DD is bloodlusted. 

Who wins?

#2 Posted by _Courage_ (1180 posts) - - Show Bio

Well why didn't they just give Juggs reality manipulation while they were at it? ;D
#3 Posted by Susanoo (5868 posts) - - Show Bio
@_Courage_ said:
"Well why didn't they just give Juggs reality manipulation while they were at it? ;D "

Haha Don't know. Classic Jugg was very powerful and literally almost invincible.
#4 Posted by difficlus (10632 posts) - - Show Bio

Doomsday evolves telepathy? 
Apart from that Juggs or stalemate.

#5 Posted by PirateKing69 (4201 posts) - - Show Bio
@difficlus said:
" Doomsday evolves telepathy? Apart from that Juggs or stalemate. "
#6 Posted by _Courage_ (1180 posts) - - Show Bio
@Susanoo:
Lol i see.  
Sounds like Juggs has too many abilities to kill DD with therefore he cannot evolve past them all..
#7 Posted by Dark King (3727 posts) - - Show Bio

he forgot to mention his mystic healing factor..

#8 Posted by Susanoo (5868 posts) - - Show Bio
@Dark King said:
"he forgot to mention his mystic healing factor.. "

He also has a Mystic healing factor? Wow. Thanks anyways.
#9 Posted by difficlus (10632 posts) - - Show Bio
@Susanoo said:
" @Dark King said:
"he forgot to mention his mystic healing factor.. "
He also has a Mystic healing factor?  "
yep
#10 Posted by crackerjack82 (2592 posts) - - Show Bio

I miss classic juggs, he was like superman, only difference is the shiny hat, and the destroying stuff
 
CJ for the win

#11 Edited by termiteone4ever (7986 posts) - - Show Bio
@Susanoo:   
Now this battle was build for juggernaut to have a chance ":)  
Now even you clearly see a disadvantage for jugs even at his best as classic Juggernaut you limit doomsday :) 
:) 
Well limiting his death to 15 is pretty interesting but i doubt he would die against this juggernaut. Everything is just timely and slow with Juggernaut giving doomsday too much time to win. IF you follow  jugs power is either to slow you down or bring you closer to him so he can hit you :) We all know the energy projection of the juggernaut would never be enough to kill doomsday once. His punches  for sure wouldnt. You choose the wrong Doomsday.
 

Doomsday all the way.  
His level of Evolving is too much . 
He will Evolve and adapt to everything Juggernaut does. Till Jug cant do anything to To hurt damage or slow him down.  
SO doomsday again got this 
#12 Posted by Valtot (4486 posts) - - Show Bio

H/P doomsday will literally evolve to defeat juggernaught by developing telepathy

#13 Posted by Jedisupermaster (1588 posts) - - Show Bio

If Classic Juggernauts force-field is ON, then HP Doomsday cannot take out Juggernauts helmet and he will not hurt Juggernaut. Juggernaut will kill him many times until Doomsday will understand that he cant beat Classic Juggernaut. End of the battle.

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#14 Posted by ryanthereaper (412 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm more willing to believe H/P Doomsday.

#15 Posted by HellionVulcan (3908 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jedisupermaster said:
" If Classic Juggernauts force-field is ON, then HP Doomsday cannot take out Juggernauts helmet and he will not hurt Juggernaut. Juggernaut will kill him many times until Doomsday will understand that he cant beat Classic Juggernaut. End of the battle. "
Pretty much op kinda made the fight in juggernauts favor .
#16 Posted by Inevitable (697 posts) - - Show Bio
I don't think Doomsday can evolve telepathy, since he is pure rage and anger incarnated.
#17 Posted by Valtot (4486 posts) - - Show Bio
@Inevitable:
he can his body adapts to his enemies weakness
#18 Posted by Jedisupermaster (1588 posts) - - Show Bio

Classic Juggernaut can beat most of Marvel and DC characters, include HP Doomsday. Classic Juggernaut stomps.

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#19 Posted by Susanoo (5868 posts) - - Show Bio
@termiteone4ever said:
" @Susanoo:   Now this battle was build for juggernaut to have a chance ":)  Now even you clearly see a disadvantage for jugs even at his best as classic Juggernaut you limit doomsday :) :) Well limiting his death to 15 is pretty interesting but i doubt he would die against this juggernaut. Everything is just timely and slow with Juggernaut giving doomsday too much time to win. IF you follow  jugs power is either to slow you down or bring you closer to him so he can hit you :) We all know the energy projection of the juggernaut would never be enough to kill doomsday once. His punches  for sure wouldnt. You choose the wrong Doomsday. Doomsday all the way.  His level of Evolving is too much . He will Evolve and adapt to everything Juggernaut does. Till Jug cant do anything to To hurt damage or slow him down.  SO doomsday again got this  "

Current Juggernaut is.... pathetic xD Classic is a beast so yes, I chose him for a reason.
#20 Posted by tensor (5100 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jedisupermaster: you are quite wrong
#21 Posted by Gremlin From Kremlin (2926 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jedisupermaster said:
" Classic Juggernaut can beat most of Marvel and DC characters, include HP Doomsday. Classic Juggernaut stomps. "
No.
Doomsday.
#22 Posted by Jazzitup (862 posts) - - Show Bio

Cain wins. Doomsday has no way of putting him down.
#23 Edited by Jedisupermaster (1588 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gremlin From Kremlin said:

" @Jedisupermaster said:

" Classic Juggernaut can beat most of Marvel and DC characters, include HP Doomsday. Classic Juggernaut stomps. "
No. Doomsday. "
Now i want you to explain how HP Doomsday can beat Classic Juggernaut. Give me some arguements, dude.
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#24 Posted by Gremlin From Kremlin (2926 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jedisupermaster: He can pick up the landmass that Juggernaut is standing on and toss it into space.
#25 Posted by PirateKing69 (4201 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gremlin From Kremlin said:
" @Jedisupermaster: He can pick up the landmass that Juggernaut is standing on and toss it into space. "
read op before you make statements...no bfr
#26 Edited by Inevitable (697 posts) - - Show Bio
@Valtot said:

" @Inevitable: he can his body adapts to his enemies weakness "

No, he can't evolve telepathy, mindless beast cannot be a telepath. And his body doesn't adapt to his enemy's weakness, it adapts against enemy's methods. That's a difference. If Doomsday adapted to enemy's weakness, he would evolve kryptonite or magic against Superman. And he didn't.
#27 Posted by Jedisupermaster (1588 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gremlin From Kremlin said:
" @Jedisupermaster: He can pick up the landmass that Juggernaut is standing on and toss it into space. "
Wrong, since there are no BFR here. And that is why Cain Marko will kill Doomsday many times untill Doomsday will give up and go away. Classic Juggernaut stomps.
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#28 Posted by Gremlin From Kremlin (2926 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jedisupermaster said:
" @Gremlin From Kremlin said:
" @Jedisupermaster: He can pick up the landmass that Juggernaut is standing on and toss it into space. "
Wrong, since there are no BFR here. And that is why Cain Marko will kill Doomsday many times untill Doomsday will give up and go away. Classic Juggernaut stomps. "
@Jedisupermaster: Whoops, sorry. Juggernaut still can't hurt Doomsday and Doomsday is too fast for Cain to land a single punch. He can win if he evolves telepathy, just like he evolved fire breath against the Martian. Doomsday can also win by immobilizing Juggy.
#29 Posted by Inevitable (697 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gremlin From Kremlin: Doomsday can't evolve telepathy. That is contradicting his nature.
#30 Posted by Gremlin From Kremlin (2926 posts) - - Show Bio
@Inevitable: You don't know that for sure.
#31 Posted by difficlus (10632 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gremlin From Kremlin: We go  by feats here so unless he has done it before we assume we won't and can't do it. 
#32 Posted by Gremlin From Kremlin (2926 posts) - - Show Bio
@difficlus: Okay, then...
#33 Posted by Jedisupermaster (1588 posts) - - Show Bio

 @Gremlin From Kremlin: Juggernauts force-field is on = Doomsday cannot take of Juggernauts helmet and use his telepathy on Juggernaut. Also Juggernaut have enougth strength to hurt and kill Doomsday.
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#34 Posted by Inevitable (697 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gremlin From Kremlin:  Doomsday is pure anger and hate incarnated. He can't have a telepathy. The versions of him that have intellect probably can, but they are weaker than original.
#35 Posted by Gremlin From Kremlin (2926 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jedisupermaster said:
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 @Gremlin From Kremlin: Juggernauts force-field is on = Doomsday cannot take of Juggernauts helmet and use his telepathy on Juggernaut. Also Juggernaut have enougth strength to hurt and kill Doomsday. "
@Jedisupermaster: Juggernaut never used his forcefield in one-on-one fights. Doomsday is still strong enough to immobilize Juggs. Juggernaut does not have enough strength to leave a scratch on Doomsday.
 
@Inevitable: It still doesn't mean that he can't evolve telepathy.The only reason he can't, is because he has never shown that in comics. So yeah.
#36 Posted by Mord McCleaver (126 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gremlin From Kremlin:  You still haven't read the OP.
The winning condition is death. Not immobilization.
You're also severely underestimating Juggernaut's strength. 
He definitely has the physical strength to hurt and kill Doomsday.
He's a dumb brick, but a tough dumb brick who is immune to at least almost all physical damage.
Without bfr or telekinesis, Doomsday (who is also a dumb brick), is not going to beat him in a fight to the death.
#37 Posted by Inevitable (697 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gremlin From Kremlin: You ignore my post. Mindless beast cannot be a telepath. Hard to think out this by yourself ?
#38 Posted by Nefarious (22898 posts) - - Show Bio

Stalemate. 

#39 Posted by Gremlin From Kremlin (2926 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mord McCleaver said:
" @Gremlin From Kremlin:  You still haven't read the OP. The winning condition is death. Not immobilization. You're also severely underestimating Juggernaut's strength.  He definitely has the physical strength to hurt and kill Doomsday.He's a dumb brick, but a tough dumb brick who is immune to at least almost all physical damage. Without bfr or telekinesis, Doomsday (who is also a dumb brick), is not going to beat him in a fight to the death. "
@Mord McCleaver: Not always, since when do you have to kill a character to gain a victory? Doomsday is strong enough to immobilize Juggs and if Juggs can't move, he can't do anything. And no, Juggernaut is not strong enough to do any significant damage to Doomsday. Also, Hulk has KO'ed Juggs before, so why can't Doomsday do the same?
#40 Posted by Jazzitup (862 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gremlin From Kremlin:
Only way to win this is Death as the op stated that only Death is a win condition. I believe that was current Juggs, not classic.
#41 Posted by primepower53 (5591 posts) - - Show Bio

Juggernaut in a landlside curbstomp

#42 Posted by Mord McCleaver (126 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gremlin From Kremlin:  Hulk knocked out Juggernaut when he broke a mind control device being utilized by Red Skull.
The Hulk didn't ACTUALLY knock the Juggernaut out, the psychic backlash did (as later stated by Vision if you've ever actually seen the comic).
The OP rules state that this is a fight to the death. Those are the rules.  
No matter how long Juggernaut is immobile, he will not die from it.
Plus, Juggernaut does not tire, so he wouldn't be immobile for long.
Juggernaut does have the physical power to hurt Doomsday and I'd like to know your basis for lowballing his Superstrength?
After all, every other argument I've seen from you thus far has been full of "rule bending logic".
Couldn't hurt to hear another one I suppose.
#43 Posted by difficlus (10632 posts) - - Show Bio
@primepower53 said:
"

Juggernaut in a landlside curbstomp

"
eh...how?
#44 Posted by Gremlin From Kremlin (2926 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mord McCleaver: All right, if it is a fight to death, then it is a stalemate.
#45 Posted by primepower53 (5591 posts) - - Show Bio
@difficlus said:
" @primepower53 said:
"

Juggernaut in a landlside curbstomp

"
eh...how? "

Too many abilities. I'm unfamiliar with Juggernaut but I never knew he had that many powers. I don't think Doomsday can evolve enough before dying 15 times.
#46 Posted by Jedisupermaster (1588 posts) - - Show Bio

Classic Juggernaut can use his force-field in one-vs-one battles. So its clear victory for Classic Juggernaut.

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#47 Posted by Gremlin From Kremlin (2926 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jedisupermaster said:
" Classic Juggernaut can use his force-field in one-vs-one battles. So its clear victory for Classic Juggernaut. "
Oh, but he can't.
#48 Posted by Jazzitup (862 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gremlin From Kremlin said:
" @Jedisupermaster said:
" Classic Juggernaut can use his force-field in one-vs-one battles. So its clear victory for Classic Juggernaut. "
Oh, but he can't. "

Op said it so he can.
#49 Posted by Jedisupermaster (1588 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gremlin From Kremlin said:
" @Jedisupermaster said:
" Classic Juggernaut can use his force-field in one-vs-one battles. So its clear victory for Classic Juggernaut. "
Oh, but he can't. "
Prove it.
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#50 Posted by Gremlin From Kremlin (2926 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jedisupermaster said:
" @Gremlin From Kremlin said:
" @Jedisupermaster said:
" Classic Juggernaut can use his force-field in one-vs-one battles. So its clear victory for Classic Juggernaut. "
Oh, but he can't. "
Prove it. "
@Jedisupermaster: He had never used in his one-on-one battles, which is exactly what prevents him from using it.